9x19 Parabellum Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 I had a game tonight where a question came up; My opponent with a Terminator Captain attached to Terminators in deep strike reserve claimed he could use his Rite of Battle ability to get a free stratagem usage on "Only in Death does duty end". I told him I didn't think a model in reserves (strategic or otherwise, or otherwise off the table) could use any abilities, and was in all ways completely inert, just as it was in 9th edition. I let him have the rule in his favor as I didn't feel like looking it up and we both wanted a good game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 The easiest answer is they couldn't have had a free stratagem usage from the Terminator captain because it can only target his unit: If the Captain is with his squad in Deepstrike so they can't use "Only In Death does Duty end" and definitely cannot use it on another unit I'm not wholly sure that characters can't use their abilites when not on the board, I suppose now that character's buffs are targetted, have ranges or for their unit on the whole, it probably comes out in the wash? I could definitely be wrong though and there could be a specific rule in the Rulebook or Commentary but I can't see it Dr_Ruminahui, Abominant and Colman 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5966698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colman Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Only applies to a unit with that ability, surely, so the captain or the unit he’s attached to. Surprised to find this: “Units can still use rules and abilities while in reserves.” in core rules. Karhedron and TrawlingCleaner 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5966699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Units can use their abilities while in reserve Rules commentary doc 9x19 Parabellum, TrawlingCleaner and Sea Creature 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5966713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Ah, there you go! 9x19 Parabellum and Dr_Ruminahui 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5966716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted June 30, 2023 Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 Ah, the designer's commentary. That's it. Thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5966972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unrealchamp88 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 On this point, can units in reserves of any kind be targeted with a Stratagem? TrawlingCleaner 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5967965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abominant Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) On 6/30/2023 at 10:11 AM, TrawlingCleaner said: Ah, there you go! Wait wait wait. So you are saying that a GSC Nexos in Strategic Reserves can use his once/turn free stratagem to target his squad with a deepstrike stratagem like Tunnel Crawlers even though he isn't on the board? That means that I can deepstrike a total of 2 units on my turn, both with Tunnel Crawlers. Geez. Talk about demo charging the out of something! Edited July 12, 2023 by Jolemai Swear filter dodge TrawlingCleaner 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5969170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Cults can also make use of the Primus' ability to redeploy three units, even if the Primus himself is in reserve. Abominant and TrawlingCleaner 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5969307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abominant Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Rogue said: Cults can also make use of the Primus' ability to redeploy three units, even if the Primus himself is in reserve. By the Emperor, you're right! I have not had a chance to sit down and absorb all of that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5969362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 I'm not sure units are targetable when they are in reserves - but asides from that, this would seem to work (depending, of course, on the wording used in the specific ability and stratagem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379331-10th-edition-leaders-in-reservestrategic-reserve-use-their-abilities/#findComment-5969364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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