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[Colman]

AI will  be HH only for foreseeable future. I don’t know what fliers other HH factions have, or might have, but I don’t think GW have the bandwidth for HH and 40K settings for the game. 

[Valkyrion]

2 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

The test will be when the Stormbird is released, since it never came to AI. If it gets AI rules we might see AI come back down the road. It’s not like they’re gonna destroy the Xenos plane molds. 

 

What actually happens to old moulds? Do they still have the Epic40K/SpaceMarine moulds, or can you kinda melt a mould down to create a new mould, or is it just thrown away like a spare part?

[Marshal Rohr]

The newest stuff are modular blocks or something. They go into storage when it isn’t their turn at the line. 

[Sete]

5 hours ago, Redcomet said:

Primarchs. Legion specific units. Tank variants.

If that comes to pass I'm out.

[Matcap86]

1 minute ago, Sete said:

If that comes to pass I'm out.

It's practically guaranteed? There's no plastic primarchs or legion specific units in 28mm 30k either. 

[Fire Golem]

Yeah, probably worth making peace with it now. We know there’s some resin coming and if legion specific stuff isn’t resin, what the hell else would be?

[Sete]

6 minutes ago, matcap86 said:

It's practically guaranteed? There's no plastic primarchs or legion specific units in 28mm 30k either. 

Which is ridiculous.

[Noserenda]

Yeah they have the master moulds for everything since the management buyout in storage in theory, though some will have been destroyed by accidents and the like over the years. Older stuff was owned by Bryan Ansell and some of it is sold by Foundry minis. The good thing with steel moulds is you can stack them away and they dont usually break! 

I think the 40k AI stuff was doomed when they moved AI over to SG from Boxed games, specialist games only gets 30k and the various spin off IPs to work on, there is probably some licensing or legal stuff behind that? Well outside my skillset :D 

If they are going to make everything from 30k id expect the various drop pod flyers fairly soon, in theory the return of the valkyrie (Pretty unlikely though) and the stormbird eventually, will be interesting if they do get rules for the new things, shooting down drop pods with planes actually sounds like a fun scenario :) 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

52 minutes ago, Valkyrion said:

 

What actually happens to old moulds? Do they still have the Epic40K/SpaceMarine moulds, or can you kinda melt a mould down to create a new mould, or is it just thrown away like a spare part?

 

As long as they're functional, they appear to last a very long time. In the first conquest run they included the tank traps and barrels sprue from late 2nd ed/early 3rd.

[Fire Golem]

2 minutes ago, Sete said:

Which is ridiculous.

It’s pretty much the ideal use case for resin. I’d rather niche things in resin than not at all, which is probably the alternative. 

[Scribe]

6 minutes ago, Sete said:

Which is ridiculous.

 

What they are going to make a tiny plastic angron in the hopes of selling to a fraction (World Eater players) of a fraction (LI players) of the player base?

 

At $40 or something?

 

Why?

[Sete]

2 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

What they are going to make a tiny plastic angron in the hopes of selling to a fraction (World Eater players) of a fraction (LI players) of the player base?

 

At $40 or something?

 

Why?

Yeah they just gonna make it in resin and sell it at 60$.

Edited July 7, 2023 by Sete

[1ncarnadine]

9 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

What they are going to make a tiny plastic angron in the hopes of selling to a fraction (World Eater players) of a fraction (LI players) of the player base?

 

At $40 or something?

 

Why?

 

I'm gonna hazard a guess: it's going to be a tiny resin Angron and two bases of resin Devourers. Or an Angron and a Khârn with 2-3 bases of Rampagers.

Or a better example might be, a resin Mortarion and two little bases of resin Deathshroud. etc

....for $60
 

 edit: gdi I didn't see Sete's comment before I posted but lol

Edited July 7, 2023 by LetsYouDown

[Scribe]

40 minutes ago, Sete said:

Yeah they just gonna make it in resin and sell it at 60$.

 

Sure. But I still dont see why we would get plastic Primarchs regardless of the price point at tinysize.

[Noserenda]

Because plastic Primarchs will be diddy little sprues*, like, the standard Character size sprue could do a primarch and a bunch of heroes or legion bods, which makes it vastly more economical. 

I dont think it will happen but i could absolutely see that it might, if they can do a bunch of characters for low selling armies across the core ranges, i suspect a mini  Primarch/legion upgrade might sell similarly to a Genecult or Skaven elite.

*A small sprues mean the mould will have a bunch of copies of it, not sure how many, as last time i saw a plastic mould was looooong before plastic characters,  But a dozen or more at once? 

[Darnok]

With what GW is able and willing to do in plastic these days, plastic Primarchs in Epic scale are absolutely a possibility. We already have plenty of single character models in plastic sold in blisters. The size of a character sprue is easily filled with parts for a detailed Primarch model, with maybe even some honour guard and the likes added. So yeah, not at all impossible.

[Captain Idaho]

Sure I'd rather the Legion specialist stuff in plastic but just playing the game with plastic core will be seen as a victory in my mind.

 

Funnily enough though, plastic leaders would probably sell better than most (sub)faction choices so I think it would be safe to do Primarch models etc in a Legion specific command sprue.

 

Even for the less played Legions. 

 

Oh I noticed in the recent article the suggestion that the armies be huge and often contain multiple Legions within... so that could be a way of getting us to buy into multiple Legion command boxes etc?

 

Well anyway, I'll be buying Guilliman and his accompanying Suzerains. Or Invictarii. Or both. Resin or no.

[Urauloth]

If they really went nuts on this game they could do a sprue for each legion with stands of the specialist units and commanders on there, but that's a lot of plastic for a specialist game. We're definitely going to have to make do with resin. Now, do we get plastics for core Mechanicum units when they get added to the game? That could be a dealbreaker for a lot of people.

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

1 hour ago, Sete said:

Yeah they just gonna make it in resin and sell it at 60$.

 

So CAD $80..wait this is GW/FW conversion rate so about an even $100 before taxes and shipping  

[Scribe]

1 minute ago, Urauloth said:

If they really went nuts on this game they could do a sprue for each legion with stands of the specialist units and commanders on there, but that's a lot of plastic for a specialist game. We're definitely going to have to make do with resin. Now, do we get plastics for core Mechanicum units when they get added to the game? That could be a dealbreaker for a lot of people.

 

I'd rather plastic AdMech, than Primarchs/Legion Command personally.

[Noserenda]

They have said niche units will be resin, which i think to any reasonable person means a plastic core to Mech and Talons at the least, and probably more Knights and Titans currently in resin. We might even see some Militia and Daemons down the line but i wouldnt hold my breath given their flexibility and it feels like the low priority the SG team is holding them to in AoD.

[spessmarine]

3 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

Sure I'd rather the Legion specialist stuff in plastic but just playing the game with plastic core will be seen as a victory in my mind.

 

Funnily enough though, plastic leaders would probably sell better than most (sub)faction choices so I think it would be safe to do Primarch models etc in a Legion specific command sprue.

 

Even for the less played Legions. 

 

Oh I noticed in the recent article the suggestion that the armies be huge and often contain multiple Legions within... so that could be a way of getting us to buy into multiple Legion command boxes etc?

 

Well anyway, I'll be buying Guilliman and his accompanying Suzerains. Or Invictarii. Or both. Resin or no.

 

3 hours ago, Urauloth said:

If they really went nuts on this game they could do a sprue for each legion with stands of the specialist units and commanders on there, but that's a lot of plastic for a specialist game. We're definitely going to have to make do with resin. Now, do we get plastics for core Mechanicum units when they get added to the game? That could be a dealbreaker for a lot of people.

 

Now we can have two systems with Raven Guard and friends twiddling their thumbs waiting for their legion stuff

 

In any case, Specialist Games is not going to pump out that much stuff looking at how releases for AT and AI went. Funny how the article said support for the two games would continue, guess the bare minimum of support is easy to maintain.

[Silas7]

Could be cool to use a bunch of these as proxies in Battletech, that's about as much as I care for this announcement.

[tinpact]

I am pretty curious as to what they meant by "esoteric" factions - 28mm AoD has Marines, Auxilia, Mechanicum, and Talons (and those other two, sort of), but none of those strike me as being particularly esoteric, and two are in the starter box. Xenos were already ruled out, so...?

[Warmaster1988]

The Cult Mechanicum is very Esoteric. Custodes and Sisters too.