Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis

[Scribe]

16 minutes ago, Warmaster1988 said:

The Cult Mechanicum is very Esoteric. Custodes and Sisters too.

 

Yeah, and I mean its Heresy era. Thats who is there.

[Interrogator Stobz]

2 hours ago, spessmarine said:

 

 

Now we can have two systems with Raven Guard and friends twiddling their thumbs waiting for their legion stuff

 

In any case, Specialist Games is not going to pump out that much stuff looking at how releases for AT and AI went. Funny how the article said support for the two games would continue, guess the bare minimum of support is easy to maintain.

Yes and no on the support thing.

It's not as much as the main games, but did very well for a specialist game.

 

AT18 had what?

10+ new hardcover books in 5 years,

they invented a couple (3?) of new Titans,

and buckets of new weapons,

and they expanded the Knight range to all of them,

they even included Armigers.

 

To my mind that's a lot for a game that started with one book, 3 Titans and a couple of Knights.

 

I'm sure we all wanted more, like the things LI is adding, but LI has the different focus to allow them.

 

I think we'll get quite a few sprues of toys and a tonne of books (GeeDub loves making books) over the next couple of years.

AI19 got stuff all. So as long as LI doesn't get tanked by COVID malaise we should be alright. 

[Matrindur]

They used "esoteric" before for HH2.0 when talking about the factions and models that only got a pdf instead of a Liber book.

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Each of the major factions waging war in the Horus Heresy will feature in their own books. For the really esoteric things – including discontinued models – rules will be made available for free in the forthcoming Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF

 

So going by that Daemons of the Ruinstorm would make sense (But we don't even have that for HH2.0 yet). Imperial Militia too but they might be too close to Solar Auxilia? After that there are also "various types of Cultists, as well as Daemon Engines".

Other than that just more units for the other core factions

 

For LI we are for sure getting Mechanicum and Custodes/Sisters of Silence first, Daemons and maybe Militia after that but if it sells well enough it could be a pretty good place to also release stuff for background factions you wouldn't normally see in HH2.0

Edited July 8, 2023 by Matrindur

[Warmaster1988]

GW is using the Term "esosteric" in the context of special and high Technologie Weapon and Equipment, which many Human Beeings no longer understand how the work and/or how they are made.

 

 

[Fire Golem]

6 minutes ago, Warmaster1988 said:

GW is using the Term "esosteric" in the context of special and high Technologie Weapon and Equipment, which many Human Beeings no longer understand how the work and/or how they are made.

 

 

Seeing as they’re talking about future factions, I think they probably just mean rarer/weirder. As in the more common factions are coming first, some of the weirder stuff later. That said, all the other factions to come are pretty esoteric in the true sense too (Mechanicum, Custodes/Sisters of Silence, daemons etc are all pretty esoteric in their own way). 

[Sete]

8 hours ago, Scribe said:

I'd rather plastic AdMech, than Primarchs/Legion Command personally

I would rather have everything in plastic. :/

[spessmarine]

 

Hopefully they mean daemons, that'll add some nice variety to the game.

 

1 hour ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

I think we'll get quite a few sprues of toys and a tonne of books (GeeDub loves making books) over the next couple of years.

AI19 got stuff all. So as long as LI doesn't get tanked by COVID malaise we should be alright. 

 

Poor AI, really got its wings clipped and killed the 40k epic scale for now.

[Matcap86]

1 hour ago, spessmarine said:

 

Hopefully they mean daemons, that'll add some nice variety to the game.

 

Getting to play the fall of Ithraca with waves of demons would be pretty nifty.

[Sky Potato]

Or Signus…

[Master Ciaphas]

I wonder what size table it will be played on. Has anyone seen any indications? I am hoping for 4x4 - if only because I means I can store this plastic crack more easily...

[Interrogator Stobz]

I'm gonna play it on 4x4 if the weapon ranges are similar to AT18. 

Unless I visit a few mates and we go huge, then 4x8 or 4x12.

4x6 will be very seldom.

 

Although some folks gotta go comp with everything and an official size might matter to them, this game will remain Casual at all Costs for me so I plan on doing whatever is the mostest funnest.

 

Need to make some AT hills whilst we wait for launch......

[Interrogator Stobz]

But filling a 4x6 with terrain is no problem either

[Marshal Rohr]

15 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

But filling a 4x6 with terrain is no problem either

Those look so cool. God I can’t wait for this game. 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

42 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

But filling a 4x6 with terrain is no problem either

Beautiful board, but that's not exactly a cheap set up! (I should know, mines about the same!)

[Marshal Reinhard]

Im just waiting for xenos. No I'm not holding my breath.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Marshal Reinhard

[Marshal Rohr]

I wonder if we will be able to do fortifications and trench boards without too much abstraction. One of the old benefits to the long, square bases was the ability to put them in ranks in a trench that didn’t break immersion too much, but a 25mm trench will be a little wide. It would be cool to have some fortress walls and trench lines, and the manic part of my brain is already trying to figure out how to make the Bastions from the Siege of Terra 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Marshal Rohr

[BolterZorro]

1 hour ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

But filling a 4x6 with terrain is no problem either

this is the way 

In AT you have to add all the command boards. Not in IL according to GW in their last article. I'm really hesitating about the warmaster: I'm affraid that I can't field it because of the point cost. I just ordered something that is just half what is shown on this picture. I am frustrated because I sold my AT 3 years ago (because no time no space no partner) and there was the box with all the knights inside this collection.

At least now, I have something to start with...and there is nothing available online anymore.

[Marshal Rohr]

In original Epic iterations how did Transports work? If you’ve got a ‘Detachment’ of 30 as shown in the new box do you need to take a Spartan for the Tactical Squad and two Rhinos for the support squads? In the Legiones Astartes Organization Chart companies are divided in what I assume will translate into detachments of 2x10/20 Tactical Legionaries and 10 Tactical Support Legionaries so 2 Spartans and a Rhino or 3 Rhinos. Can they even make it that granular or will it be abstracted like a single squad of 20 taking two rhinos. 

[BolterZorro]

I don't remember how it worked but what from I recall (and I have), for 2 token/bases (i.e 10 men), you got 1 rhino ON the sprue. This is why you got a bucket load of rhino in all epic collections and games.

From what GW already shown, I think that we have to show our wallet to get all the rhinos and transport options. It is the first obvious way GW found to expand the army and make a bit more of money. In Epic, transport are important not to say mandatory.

[Urauloth]

I actually managed to get a box of Barracudas before they all disappeared. I wish the rest of the T'au range was sticking around, but at least I don't have to worry that I'll never get to paint any of them.
On the subject of LI, do you think we'll see daemons eventually?  Mechanicum seem like a safe bet, but daemons have a lot of 40k crossover. It might be that we get Ruinstorm daemon brutes or some other "heresy-only" version to keep the product lines separate. We might not get any at all, but I hope we do. They're pretty important to the lore of the late Heresy.

[BolterZorro]

18 minutes ago, Urauloth said:

On the subject of LI, do you think we'll see daemons eventually? 

I will do my own complete daemon army range and....I'll sell them ! muaaaaaahahahahaha (in fact, it's true)

 

[Warmaster1988]

Could see the Formation of a Legion Tactical Company Datatchment as;

 

1x Command Squad

- option increase Squad from 5 to 10 Marines

 

3x Tactical Squad

- option increase Squads from 10 to 20 Marines

 

+ Optional Support Squad

- option on special weapon, heavy Anti-Tank or heavy Anti-Infantry

 

+ Optional Special Sqaud

- option on Assault Squad or Terminator Squad

 

+ Optional Transport

- option on Rhinos, Droppods or Land Raiders (for 20 Marine Squads only)

[Marshal Rohr]

I don’t think they would do this, but if they wanted they could make a single sprue of lesser daemons that look like a bunch of the four lesser daemons we already know, but on their box art they are painted uniformly. Then a sprue of cavalry, brutes, winged units, and things like blobs of nurglings. Then the big final monsters and Lords sprue with the big four greater daemons and a few princes and a whole bunch of soul grinders and other classic daemon monsters. 

[VanDutch]

1 hour ago, BolterZorro said:

I don't remember how it worked but what from I recall (and I have), for 2 token/bases (i.e 10 men), you got 1 rhino ON the sprue. This is why you got a bucket load of rhino in all epic collections and games.

From what GW already shown, I think that we have to show our wallet to get all the rhinos and transport options. It is the first obvious way GW found to expand the army and make a bit more of money. In Epic, transport are important not to say mandatory.

This is why I’ve invested in a few of the Astartes flyers from Aeronautica early on…  hopefully it’ll pay off!

[Matrindur]

7 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I don’t think they would do this, but if they wanted they could make a single sprue of lesser daemons that look like a bunch of the four lesser daemons we already know, but on their box art they are painted uniformly. Then a sprue of cavalry, brutes, winged units, and things like blobs of nurglings. Then the big final monsters and Lords sprue with the big four greater daemons and a few princes and a whole bunch of soul grinders and other classic daemon monsters. 

For daemons it will be very interesting which units will be in the Ruinstorm pdf, they are hopefully finally releasing for HH2.0 sometime soon, as I would expect them to use the same units for both games (with maybe new big models for LI only) since they would want players who saw one of the two to also be able to buy everything for the other system. 

So looking at the Ruinstorm pdf should give us a good idea what will be coming for LI if Daemons get added in the future

Edited July 8, 2023 by Matrindur