Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis

[Marshal Rohr]

47 minutes ago, Pacific81 said:

Sorry if this is a silly question but why are cards actually needed? If the stats are in the rulebook and you are not tracking individual status changes or itemised wargear against a unit? (I can understand it in games where you have to track these things like AT, Fallout or X-Wing for example)

They’re really popular with younger gamers for some reason. It’s why army lists got taken out behind the shed in the mainline games. Almost all new games have some kind of silly card system instead of army lists and GW has just been doing runs of cards to capitalize on that. They’re essentially collectors items and are useless within weeks of release. 

[LameBeard]

21 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

They’re really popular with younger gamers for some reason. It’s why army lists got taken out behind the shed in the mainline games. Almost all new games have some kind of silly card system instead of army lists and GW has just been doing runs of cards to capitalize on that. They’re essentially collectors items and are useless within weeks of release. 

Yeah where have you been @Pacific81? GW love to sell you stuff you don’t need for a premium price! Now can I interest you in a special set of dice?

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

They’re really popular with younger gamers for some reason. It’s why army lists got taken out behind the shed in the mainline games. Almost all new games have some kind of silly card system instead of army lists and GW has just been doing runs of cards to capitalize on that. They’re essentially collectors items and are useless within weeks of release. 

Do you not remember 2nd edition of epic ;)

[Joe]

It's remarkably unfair to try to pin it on younger gamers when quick reference cards have existed in one form or another in the wider wargaming sphere for decades now, and it's only really in the five years that Games Workshop have actively picked up on that themselves (insert joke about Geedub delayed thinking here). They are simply the natural end state of quick reference sheets of yesteryear that everyone inevitably wound up printing off but kept pestering company [x] or [y] to do themselves in a more official format.

 

I can distinctly remember people home-brewing them for Bolt Action 1E, and they certainly existed in a more official capacity for the likes of Force-on-Force, Flames of War / Team Yankee and numerous other wargames that were considerably more finnicky to navigate. For some cases it was quite literally "here's all it can do, have fun", whereas others certainly leaned more down the avenue of "here's your base unit stats, here's a separate card with weapon stats to reference, etc."

 

That said, as a rule of thumb it's generally not worth buying GWs cards as they can and often are invalidated fairly swiftly in some cases; see the current 40k cards. It may be that this is less likely for Legions Imperialis, as afaik there weren't any major changes made to the Titan cards during their run.

 

 

 

[Noserenda]

Yeah ive been making reference cards/sheets for years and im about as Grognard as they come, primarily because someone forgot people might want to try and play a game with FW books :D Needed 4 heresy black books on hand at one point and noped right TF out after i nearly killed a table!

They are probably a safe bet with a specialist game as they hate updating problems until they fully wreck the game. Yaaaaay.

[Mandragola]

I bought the reference cards for the new marines for 40k. I can't remember all those datasheets and it's handy to have the ones for the small fraction of units in the book that I'll ever actually use in any given game.

 

For this I'm less sure. But I certainly don't object to them. Nobody's forcing you to buy the things if you don't want them.

[SkimaskMohawk]

They've definitely taken their foot off the gas with FAQ's and such, but it's kinda more insulting to have like, very few changes and then continue printing the same incorrect things for years after the fact like the porphyrion command terminals. 

 

Definitely wait and see if there's any flaws in the rulebook; worst case you can order the cards the same day as you look through the book.

[MithrilForge]

2 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

Sorry if this is a silly question but why are cards actually needed? If the stats are in the rulebook and you are not tracking individual status changes or itemised wargear against a unit? (I can understand it in games where you have to track these things like AT, Fallout or X-Wing for example)

 

I cant' speak for LI but in aeronautica it was nice to have the small card on the table for quick access, I also see just like AI these cards will be damn hard to get 

I may not bother(i think LI is going to be riddled with updates etc so think the cards are a waste anywyay)

 

M

[WrathOfTheLion]

I like having the cards, they're an easy quick reference. If they FAQ/modify it, we usually just take a sharpie or something and write on them.

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, Mumeishi said:

 

I cant' speak for LI but in aeronautica it was nice to have the small card on the table for quick access, I also see just like AI these cards will be damn hard to get 

I may not bother(i think LI is going to be riddled with updates etc so think the cards are a waste anywyay)

 

M

The good news is that as a specialist game you don’t have to worry about any updates after the first errata. 

[Nova-V]

The prices have got me somewhat curious about the game again.  However the WarComm vid has kinda sucked the curiosity back out with how bad those infantry models look.  Anyone know if you can field an armour only army or are troops a necessity ?

[SkimaskMohawk]

19 minutes ago, Nova-V said:

The prices have got me somewhat curious about the game again.  However the WarComm vid has kinda sucked the curiosity back out with how bad those infantry models look.  Anyone know if you can field an armour only army or are troops a necessity ?

 

You can do armour only formations for sure for solar aux (confirmed with the rules leak a couple of months ago). I think you'll be able to do the same with the marines, same as in 30k proper.

[Marshal Rohr]

In what universe is anyone ever going to be right up on the infantry models other than while they are painting? 

[MithrilForge]

4 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

In what universe is anyone ever going to be right up on the infantry models other than while they are painting? 

This is true, and that's why they don't need to do any other MK's and simply focus on adding new things  instead of different troop models ... 

 

M

[Bung]

The cards probably include the Units that dont have rules in the book. @Pacific81

Edited November 14, 2023 by Bung

[Marshal Mittens]

I would be more of a fan of the cards if the info printed on them was not often outdated before the cards shipped. Changed by an FAQ or w/e. Conceptually, I like the idea of cards. 

[Matrindur]

5 minutes ago, Bung said:

The cards probably include the Units that dont have rules in the book. @Pacific81

I don't think they changed the card packs from the original release to include more of them and why would the original cards include rules for units that wouldn't come out for months with the original timeline? Why even split them up into different books in the first place then? 

And even if they changed the packs so they also include the units from the first expansion they still wouldn't have any units not yet revealed so will be incomplete at some point

[vadersson]

First, I love reference cards, thought things like X-wing kind of over do the card thing I feel.  I think the big problem is that GW does not have a good track record in cards.  If things are fairly stable and the quality is good I might buy them.  Probably make my own otherwise.

 

Second, ya’ll are harsh on the painting video.  Maybe I watched it on too small a screen but I didn’t really see a ton of problems with either the minis or the methods.  The video was going for a quick paint scheme for all 18 legions and I think it did a good job.  Some for the lore jokes thrown in were cool too.  I thought most of the minis looked great and I hope I can do as well.

Remember what you are comparing these minis too.  They sure look a lot better than old 6mm Epic minis.  I really am looking forward to finally playing real epic.  (I came from the Final Liberation video game of Epic since I didn’t buy miniature games back then.)

 

Thanks,

Duncan

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, vadersson said:

Second, ya’ll are harsh on the painting video.  Maybe I watched it on too small a screen but I didn’t really see a ton of problems with either the minis or the methods.  The video was going for a quick paint scheme for all 18 legions and I think it did a good job.  Some for the lore jokes thrown in were cool too.  I thought most of the minis looked great and I hope I can do as well.

 

You can do quick and basic without being downright sloppy. 

 

Wash stuff completely if you're using it as your primary source of contrast and colour.

 

Block in the secondary colours you choose to use fully.

 

Don't make people think you're still in the middle of painting with your "finished" product.

 

And don't blindly use the exact same technique from infantry to vehicles. 

 

 

 

[Bung]

2 hours ago, Matrindur said:

I don't think they changed the card packs from the original release to include more of them and why would the original cards include rules for units that wouldn't come out for months with the original timeline? Why even split them up into different books in the first place then? 

And even if they changed the packs so they also include the units from the first expansion they still wouldn't have any units not yet revealed so will be incomplete at some point

 

What i have seen from some Specialist Games Cards is, they still hold up.

Especially the AT or Necromunda ones.

The Open Engine War Deck is / was used nearly every Game of Titanicus here, even a lot of events used it.

 

We dont even know the Layouts of the Cards and if they even have the points cost printed.

But i think they May be a good think for quick reference of Formation Rules and Stats.

[Marshal Rohr]

No one here should be critiquing anyone else painting. 

[MegaVolt87]

That LI terrain is a beauty. GW could fix their entire 28mm scale terrain line if they made in the scale as well. 

[twopounder]

It's also possible to print cards out, especially with some cardstock. That way you can update as needed. Might be nice to make a program that can autoformat from a csv or json file for easy updating.

[Marshal Rohr]

If you are printing your own cards or drawing on the GW cards, you have circled all the way back to just printing your own reference sheets and defeated the purpose of cards. 

[Interrogator Stobz]

I'll be printing my own... the cost of them, that's a real thing especially when they're so often wrong.

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Interrogator Stobz