Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis

[Interrogator Stobz]

Just now, Scribe said:

I mean whats the 100% fastest way to kill a game? Dont let it be purchased to build up a critical mass of community.

 

How would one do that? Simply fail at delivery on the product. Why do they insist on doing this?!

Unfortunately, and the no xenos thing.

I have several group members who are interested but walk away due to the HH setting.

Poor Judgment is the GW way. And yet here we are. The Plastic Crack addiction is too powerful to resist. 

[DuskRaider]

Well I got my hands on the box but I didn’t grab anything else. The new design for the website is a pain in the ass when trying to see everything available for PO and I didn’t see a lot of the stuff I wanted, namely the Spartans, Terminators and Dreadnoughts. 

[Scribe]

5 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Unfortunately, and the no xenos thing.

I have several group members who are interested but walk away due to the HH setting.

Poor Judgment is the GW way. And yet here we are. The Plastic Crack addiction is too powerful to resist. 

 

Its really really frustrating.

[SkimaskMohawk]

7 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

Well I got my hands on the box but I didn’t grab anything else. The new design for the website is a pain in the ass when trying to see everything available for PO and I didn’t see a lot of the stuff I wanted, namely the Spartans, Terminators and Dreadnoughts. 

 

Spartans aren't out, terminators and dreads are lumped into the infantry box.

[Black Cohort]

10 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

Well I got my hands on the box but I didn’t grab anything else. The new design for the website is a pain in the ass when trying to see everything available for PO and I didn’t see a lot of the stuff I wanted, namely the Spartans, Terminators and Dreadnoughts. 

 

Spartans aren't for sale yet, only way to get more terminators and Contemptors is the Astartes infantry box.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Another poor judgment from GW.

How many folks would buy TDA companies if they were available on separate sprues?

I know at least one 

[DuskRaider]

17 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

Spartans aren't out, terminators and dreads are lumped into the infantry box.

I know, but I don’t want the other Infantry. I’m assuming they’ll eventually release a Terminator box (I could have sworn I saw they were) along with a Dreadnought box. I’ll just wait I guess. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

7 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

I know, but I don’t want the other Infantry. I’m assuming they’ll eventually release a Terminator box (I could have sworn I saw they were) along with a Dreadnought box. I’ll just wait I guess. 

 

The sprues don't look like they're conducive to splitting, guess you're saying they'll just do a dedicated box with new sprues? They'd have to redo the infantry box then, as a lot of their value added is all the support elements.

 

@Scribe they don't got everything (but they got the questoris), but they're in Canada, do a 15%, and a flat rate on shipping https://www.outoftheboxcards.com/product-category/pre-orders/miniature-pre-orders/games-workshop-pre-orders/ 

Edited November 18, 2023 by SkimaskMohawk

[Interrogator Stobz]

@DuskRaiderWe'll be waiting a loooong time Brother.

Edited November 18, 2023 by Interrogator Stobz

[Black Cohort]

the highly limited number of support squads in the marine box is a really weird choice, especially when I could only buy one box.

[DuskRaider]

39 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

@DuskRaiderWe'll be waiting a loooong time Brother.

Sadly I agree… I just want to emulate my HHv1 army :(

 

If I have to wait, I will. I’ll throw something else together in the meantime and perhaps try to snag loose Terminators on eBay as long as people aren’t scalping. 
 

From the reviews I’ve read, it also seems like Knights are extremely overpriced so I don’t know how well a full Knight list would work along with their Ion Shields being very wonky as described by Goonhammer. I’ll probably give it a shot anyhow. 

Edited November 18, 2023 by DuskRaider

[spessmarine]

4 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

If you go out and buy it they might! It’s a win-win. If they sell enough to add Xenos, you get Xenos. If they don’t add Xenos you get to play a fun game where things like timing air support and artillery with infantry fire to kill a big beastly Titan is more important than special rules. 

 

4 hours ago, Noserenda said:

As one of the main advocates for AT for a long time, I suspect the included reason is accurate, lots of people were waiting for xeno titans before trying AT, no reason to expect different here.

 

From what I recall, AT did well and AI most certainly did not. Unfortunately, guess GW's takeaway was to drop all the aliens from the latter and play it conservative with a redone Epic.

Alternatively, Specialist Games just don't have much of a slice of manufacturing from the overall pie so have to approach things from a mindset of limited kit variety. As in, of all the kits GW as a whole can produce, SG can only have a certain fraction.

[DuskRaider]

It helps when the opposing factions utilize the same kits. This is literally why we got Titanicus back in the day and the reason the Horus Heresy was devised in the first place. 

[Pacific81]

5 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

As with any Heresy release a large number of reviews will always be negative just because of the animosity people have for anything space marine. The game is certainly not mid, the only valid criticism right now is that it’s essentially half a game without more units. 

 

How do we know if the game is middling or not? All we have at the moment is conjecture based on what they have shown of the rules and battle reports.

As far as the reviews themselves are concerned, those reviewing the game are entitled to give their opinions - and the majority of the ones I have read feel like 3/5 star reviews. There is not one I have seen that is "ZOMG" or ready to name their next child Legions Imperialis. I think anyone who reads a lot of film or music reviews won't see a problem with this - the chances are it won't set the world on fire, but it's not poor either. And it's almost certain that it will hold more appeal to some punters (in this case, us!)

 

What's interesting to me is that a few have now said the 3000pt 'standard' is possibly too large - which follows much of our conjecture previously about miniature volumes and density. That's fine, the community will find its balance.

Also a bit disappointed that it sounds like the rulebook has followed the 'wall 'o text' format of AoD, and is just there as a rules tome, rather than the beautifully rich (and well illustrated) recent 40k and AoS releases. Having a soul-less rulebook won't help proselytise people into the game if they already play 40k/AoS and are currently fence-sitting on this one.

 

Anyway am still looking forward to the release, we get to make up our own minds in a few weeks!

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Pacific81
changed the word 'mid' as was disgusted with myself for using it xD

[vadersson]

Hey gang,

 

looks like the boxes are selling well.  GW US is basically out of stock.  Many of my favorite 3rd party online folks are also showing OOS.  I can still find the core set, but I was waiting to get the epub rule book first so I can plan my armies. Bit worried I may have to wait to actually get minis for another print run.  The FOMO is strong and making me seriously consider pre-ordering at one of the sites that still have the core box.

 

Given the change in scale, I think GW almost had to start as HH.  Look at the offering we have now.  Would 40K epic have worked with just two factions to start?  (Say SM and Tyranids like the Levathan box.). I don’t know.  I think a lot of people would have waited for their favorite Army to come out before buying in.  And if that took multiple months, then the game might die out before it achieved a critical mass. Think of all the units that would need made for all the factions.  That would take a ton of time and tooling.  HH was a much smaller (but still large) investment for GW.  And perhaps it can eventual be a jump start for Epic 40K to return as well.  I guess we will see.  Either way, I am still just happy to finally have a form of Epic to play.

[Evil Eye]

I don't think I'm in a rush to get into this. Not just because HH isn't my thing, but, well...

I know they're small but come on GW.

[Captain Idaho]

Going through hard times at the moment but my family are being amazing and giving me Legions Imperialis purchases for Christmas. 

 

This means I'm getting the Rulebook, 2 boxes of Infantry and 2 boxes of Kratos.

 

My plan is to build an Ultramarines army themed on these factors:

 

Logos Lectora

 

• Infantry on foot.

• loads of Dreadnoughts.

• Tanks for firepower.

 

Might not be overly effective but man it'll be fun to play. I think I'll need a 3rd box of Infantry eventually as want at least 6 strong Terminators like.

[Noserenda]

They won't add xenos, doesn't matter how well it sells, because it's a 30k IP and that essentially means no alien armies. Even when they make sense.

 

Best we can hope for in case of an extreme success is an entirely separate game from the 40k team.

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

I don't think I'm in a rush to get into this. Not just because HH isn't my thing, but, well...

I know they're small but come on GW.

Oh Christ Galactic Crusaders it is

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

I don't think I'm in a rush to get into this. Not just because HH isn't my thing, but, well...

I know they're small but come on GW.

 

From what I've read, it's an unfortunate consequence of being single piece plastics.

 

Be interesting to see how much of a pain in the arse it ends up being to try and carve out, if possible.

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[Valkyrion]

With hindsight, GW shouldn't have shelved Epic, and shouldn't have introduced Super Heavies (and flyers) to mainstream 40k.  IMO, of course.

 

I'm aware that FW super heavies and aircraft have been around for about 30 years now, but once you make it plastic, (relatively) cheap, and readily available, then it becomes mainstream and you can't put that genie back in the bottle. 

 

So imagine its 1997 again, and all of the finance and time and design and thought process that has created Apocalypse, Knights, full size Stompas, Baneblades, Stormravens, Fightabommas and all of the other things that were 28mm adjacent, but are now part of it proper, had instead gone in to making Epic 40,000 a proper fully fledged, long supported product.  Instead of Legions Imperialis we'd be looking at 4th edition epic 40k, with a brand new miniature Tau army backed up with massive battlesuits ready to fight a Necron World Engine. 

 

Alas, twas not to be, and I totally understand why. If a model company has the technology to make a 28mm baneblade/knight in plastic then it totally should, and so it did, and we bought them, and so we should, because at the end of the day, there is nothing cooler than our little toys made bigger. 

[Shard of Magnus]

I suppose I’ll be waiting until next year.  While the wife is supportive of my gaming hobbies, we have a long standing agreement that I pause buying stuff for myself come November.  Odds are none of the family who tend to buy GW for Christmas gifts will have made it through the horrible online shop interface before preorders sold out.  

 

The marine infantry quality is disappointing.  Older editions of epic had less of the issue at the cost of dynamic poses.  Definitely makes 3d printing options more appealing.

[Raziel-TX]

Maybe I went full potato (never go full potato) but I snagged some infantry and Kratos tanks via ebay at a decent discount.  There seemed to be a good amount of availability with guaranteed delivery dates NLT 9 Dec. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

4 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

Sadly I agree… I just want to emulate my HHv1 army :(

 

If I have to wait, I will. I’ll throw something else together in the meantime and perhaps try to snag loose Terminators on eBay as long as people aren’t scalping. 
 

From the reviews I’ve read, it also seems like Knights are extremely overpriced so I don’t know how well a full Knight list would work along with their Ion Shields being very wonky as described by Goonhammer. I’ll probably give it a shot anyhow. 

 

I'm not sure whos reviewing the knights, but everything I've seen shows them as very capable. They're fast, good save, have solid melee and shooting. They might be way more expensive than in AT, but they seem much much more survivable and damaging, with a much higher overall point limit to boot.

[Urauloth]

2 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

I don't think I'm in a rush to get into this. Not just because HH isn't my thing, but, well...

I know they're small but come on GW.

No way. That's awful.