How is the legends news effecting you?

[Djangomatic82]

I'm pretty bummed out about the loss of the Assault squad, especially considering that they are the only decent jump pack option for BA at the moment.

It has pretty much sucked all the wind out of my sails and I'm considering if i want to stay in the hobby./ I'm not a fan of the Primaris aesthetic, so painting and collecting isn't enough of an incentive. I like the HH and Siege novels, but i dont need to collect, play or paint to read them.

 

[Karhedron]

3 hours ago, Djangomatic82 said:

I'm not a fan of the Primaris aesthetic, so painting and collecting isn't enough of an incentive.

 

Since the difference between Firstborn and Primaris are getting blurred, I am just running my FB models as their Primaris equivalents, even to the point of building new units this way. By way of example, here are my new Sternguard. Firstborn 4Ever! 

 

[happyslugger]

No issues for me as I sold my first born a few years ago now. 

 

As soon as they released primaris I sold the lot.

Edited July 29, 2023 by happyslugger

[Blindhamster]

4 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Since the difference between Firstborn and Primaris are getting blurred, I am just running my FB models as their Primaris equivalents, even to the point of building new units this way. By way of example, here are my new Sternguard. Firstborn 4Ever! 

 

I think this is smart.

 

I suspect as we continue they will get more and more blurred honestly.

 

If the rumours of Christmas box being bikers and assault marines is true, I think it’ll be a new mpk outrider kit that reintroduces some special weapon options and melee options. I think the new assault squad will have the options seen on the current index card tbh too. So firstborn and primaris would be totally interchangeable (doesn’t help with anything not getting an obvious equivalent though, but that’s no different from us losing our jump pack honour guard or veteran assault squads back with 5th)

[Minsc]

Doesn't really affect me since my group plays with Legends without a second thought. As long as there are actual rules it's fine, especially since GW has dropped the "you need consent"-part. 

I do realize that not everyone is luckly enough to more or less only play with close friends though.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Minsc

[Paladin777]

Now that I've had some time to simmer down, I'm a bit more hopeful for my own force now (though I still lament the iron-clad being dropped).
 

As I've been building my army, my veterans (VV's, terminators, HQ choices other than my gravis captain) have been entirely FB and everything else has been primaris (barring the aforementioned attack bikes).

This was originally unintentional, but when I realized what was happening I kinda liked it from a fluff perspective. The survivors of DoB were considered veterans, and primaris ended up filling their ranks.

 

With it seeming like veteran squads not being distinctly primaris or FB anymore (yeah, I know that Sternguard have the tacticus keyword. So what?), it seems like I actually dodged a pretty big bullet with this breakdown!

Edited July 29, 2023 by Paladin777

[Thoridon]

In theory I've lost a lot of my painted army for any competitive play simply due to how long my Marine collection dates back to but I'm not really too bothered by it.

 

1. I much prefer the 'Primaris' scale; Marines look like Marines, not normal humans with extra armour.

2. I've always assumed all older models will be replaced or become Legends once they started that rollout, I just didn't know how long it would take.

 

For those reasons I've only bought Primaris since they launched in 8th, besides a couple of older units to round out a few squads. The main thing for me is I still have a lot of the newer stuff unpainted so if they announced that all remaining firstborn are off to pasture I'd have to pull my finger out and get some more painted quicker.

 

As it is I'll likely still use a bunch of things in friendly games (such as Land Speeders) as they have rules to use and I still enjoy using them. Some units I might try to modify a bit and mix in with the new models, like upscaling some veterans into extra Sternguard.

 

Ultimately I'd already accepted that my older models were on borrowed time. Anything I can't modify to mix in with Primaris or run as a Legend will take their place on the shelf of nostalgia. If you have 10,000 points of stuff and use 2000 for a game there's a lot that stays on the shelf anyway! I still enjoyed collecting and painting the older stuff. I didn't get rid of the old Mephiston when he got a new model, or Dante with his new model released. I'll just have a significantly larger portion of the non-playable section of my BA collection.

[Jolemai]

As pretty much everyone is aware by now, I only collect Firstborn but I very rarely do tournament play. For me, stuff (GW and my vast amount of FW) moving into Legends is an annoyance but still usable for the games I play in. 

 

Units that are being rolled into Primaris however, that has disappointed me. I'd much rather have a Legends Bike Squad than be force into running Outriders 

 

As an aside, thanks for keeping this constructive folks 

[Blindhamster]

19 minutes ago, Jolemai said:

Units that are being rolled into Primaris however, that has disappointed me. I'd much rather have a Legends Bike Squad than be force into running Outriders

out of interest, why is this? I assume due to weapon options? If outriders gained access to some special melee/ranged weapons would that view stand? 

[DemonGSides]

Could always just keep using the index profile for bikes, as well.  Since you're playing in friendly games, I can't imagine many people would be upset about it.

[Jolemai]

1 hour ago, Blindhamster said:

out of interest, why is this? I assume due to weapon options? If outriders gained access to some special melee/ranged weapons would that view stand? 

 

Fluff: My army/collection exists at a time before Devastation of Baal, so there are no Primaris units available.

IRL: I don't wish to use proxies for something I have no interest in.

 

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

Could always just keep using the index profile for bikes, as well.  Since you're playing in friendly games, I can't imagine many people would be upset about it.

 

That's probably the case tbh given that will be the last printed 10th ed rules for them.

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, Jolemai said:

Fluff: My army/collection exists at a time before Devastation of Baal, so there are no Primaris units available.

IRL: I don't wish to use proxies for something I have no interest in.

That’s fair enough, was just thinking, if the outriders got the same options, it’s the same unit with a new name is all. Hopefully the index/legends rules stick around and are even maintained - that would be good

[Brother Raul]

I come and go with the ebb and flow of life (I farm so everything is seasonal now) as well as rules and models. Had taken a break after we got 1st turn charges nerfed and wanted to see where primaris and 10th were going.

 

Had a optimised 1500 point list that was really fun but I really like primaris models a lot and single wounds have always frustrated me. Also scale is much easier to paint, maybe even a bit boring but people don't have to master graphic arts to paint models AND play a game now and I can paint models quicker rather than redo cause I botched a 1/4 mm detail.

 

Think the new progression of the story line is also great and primaris are a big part of that. Indominus bitches! 

 

One thing I've noted however and I'll post more on this is that primaris now play as a tougher, slightly less specialised and slower Eldar. Lore wise I love it as we suffered from a lack of tech.

 

Yet to play it on the table top and I suspect a lot of non-codex chapters like ours will miss the little things like scouts that could wound Abaddon, heavy flamers and multi-multi melters on ASM.

 

There will be trade offs however and look forward to discovering those gems (flesh tearer or DC revers maybe?).

[ShadowCaptainMcCaffery]

As someone who was building my newest incarnation of my Blood Angels primarily for 30K and porting them over to 40K, I have no primaris models and the stuff going to Legends only hit my assault marines (yay 4 squads in 40K).

As a TO, I will be allowing Legends in my tournaments, as the marine players field fluffy lists, and to remove access to units would cause a lot of problems for them.

Edited August 4, 2023 by ShadowCaptainMcCaffery

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I’ve been thinking about why I found the units being sent to legends annoying but not offensive like many seem to.

 

years ago I kitbashed a pas/plas razorback, came back to the game and it wasn’t a codex option any more. 
This just seems basically the same.

[Wormwoods]

12 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I’ve been thinking about why I found the units being sent to legends annoying but not offensive like many seem to.

 

years ago I kitbashed a pas/plas razorback, came back to the game and it wasn’t a codex option any more. 
This just seems basically the same.

 

Same, really. I still remember having 3 Carnifexes become illegal when the 4th ed Codex changed what weapon sets were allowed. It happens. Move on. 

[Bryan Blaire]

27 minutes ago, Wormwoods said:

Same, really. I still remember having 3 Carnifexes become illegal when the 4th ed Codex changed what weapon sets were allowed. It happens. Move on. 

It’s not the same, because you are talking about options/weapons.  Your Carnifexes as models were still usable, you’d just have to arm them differently.  What people seem upset about with Legends is the idea that their models themselves may be deemed unusable.

 

Hopefully that will not be the case and GW continues to push the “Counts As” option for older models to still be things in the Codexes, but that’s not the case in all instances.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Bryan Blaire said:

It’s not the same, because you are talking about options/weapons.  Your Carnifexes as models were still usable, you’d just have to arm them differently.  What people seem upset about with Legends is the idea that their models themselves may be deemed unusable.

 

Hopefully that will not be the case and GW continues to push the “Counts As” option for older models to still be things in the Codexes, but that’s not the case in all instances.

You can count as anything, so if that’s all it takes then no one has any reason to be unhappy

[Paladin777]

I know some people are annoyed with the 'counts as,' but I really hope that the codex goes even further with consolidating primaris and FB units. The fact that my FB lieutenants can't lead my (assault) intercessors is just stupid!

[Spyros]

When I saw the new Primaris models I was in love. It must be the aesthetic nature of my inner Blood Angel that found their proportions excellent compared to the Firstborn models...

So, even though the range was (and still is, concerning the BA) limited, I begun building and using only Primaris (see my models from the link in my signature). I 'm after all a slow painter, I 'll get there eventually when the BA specific models arrive.

I only used Primaris in my lists for the aesthetics, the old models, even the recent ones, look like dwarves next to the new blood. I don't mind the reduced efficiency and losses, I'm not a competitive player.

 

Ergo, legends are not affecting me at all!