Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis - Solar Auxilia Support Box (and LI delay).

[Lord Marshal]

Boom, boom.

 

 

Also, at the bottom of the article...

 

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While we had initially hoped to release Legions Imperialis in August, the release date will now be a little later in the year. Don’t worry – you’ll be commanding a tiny legion of troops to victory very soon.

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[Trokair]

 

Tiny version of the cutest tiniest tank!

[Doctor Perils]

Mole Mortars Also, 12 rapiers to a box seems like a good deal

[Petitioner's City]

I love how the article says there are 28 minis in the box, but the box cover says 40! Maybe there are another 12 rapiers in there? 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Petitioner's City

[Xirix]

3 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

I love how the article says there are 28 minis in the box, but the box cover says 40! Maybe there are another 12 rapiers in there?

 

Warcom getting something wrong in their articles? Never happens.

[Xanthous]

8 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

I love how the article says there are 28 minis in the box, but the box cover says 8! Maybe there are another 12 rapiers in there? 

I think that they're sometimes counting each individual figure on the sprue as its own miniature, if you go back to the original reveal then the miniature count is slightly higher than what you see in the pictures - "106 Space Marine infantry and walkers", but only 4 Dreadnoughts and 18 bases of 5 for a total of 94 - I'm assuming the extra 12 comes from the optional figures like sergeants and vexilla bearers.

 

For this box, then; 12 rapiers, 12 tarantulas, and 4 cyclopes makes 28, then 12 extra support staff for the rapiers makes 40?

Edited August 3, 2023 by Xanthous

[Nephaston]

Easy, the rapiers come with a lone soldier standing next to it, so 24 minis on 12 rapier bases, 12 tarantulas, and 4 cyclops, so 40 miniatures on 28 bases.

[Nova-V]

I find how they are counting the models very odd.  Usually a miniature is effectively a base of models, so a Scarab swarm is counted as one model in a box of Necrons not 7.  Yet for LI they seem to count each bit on a base as a separate model which seems a bit disingenuous.  To me the War Comm count of 28 is more honest.

 

I do really like the mini Cyclops they look adorable.

 

The delay is quite a suprise given if they planned to release this month I would've expected everything to already be in place.  Something pretty major must have gone wrong or gone missing to delay this late in the day.  Without even an expected new date.

[Trokair]

While the model counting seems a bit wired, as the the extra trooper on the Rapier base is implied to be just decorative I will probably use some of them to decorate other things such as Titan bases or terrain.

[MithrilForge]

Weird But....I'm Kinda Glad it's delayed  Gives me more time to save the pennies.... 

They also put an addendum at the bottom of the article explaining the discrepancy between 28 models & 40 miniatures... 

 

M.  

[spessmarine]

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The box actually contains 40 miniatures in total, but several of them combine to make 28 game pieces – which are known as miniatures in the Legions Imperialis rules

 

They definitely could've named things a bit better there. As you end up having 40 miniatures = 28 miniatures which will trip people up

Edited August 4, 2023 by spessmarine

[Doctor Perils]

If they called them "models" in the rules, and said "models" could be made of several 8mm scale "miniatures" it may be more understandable

[Matrindur]

52 minutes ago, Doctor Perils said:

If they called them "models" in the rules, and said "models" could be made of several 8mm scale "miniatures" it may be more understandable

With models and miniatures its still not intuitively clear which is which.

I have no idea why they didn't just keep "stand"

[Orion]

The cyclops is one of the funniest things to have a mini version of. Keen to see a comparison.

[Taliesin]

Disappointing that they cannot make their promised release date. 

[Nova-V]

6 hours ago, spessmarine said:

 

They definitely could've named things a bit better there. As you end up having 40 miniatures = 28 miniatures which will trip people up

That is pretty deceptive on the part of GW which is a suprise to see.  For all the faults of their marketing they are usually pretty honest.  The rules are written clearly in the same way as all other games are marketed (1 mini = 1 base) and that is what people will expect when they read 40 miniatures on the box.  To have two different definitions of what a miniature is between rules and box with no clear indication that they are different is at best confusing and at worst possibly false advertising. 

 

Think of a player reading the rules for a detachment that says it needs X minis, they buy a box of said minis that says it contains X+5 minis.  They open it up only to discover it contains X+5 parts of minis which make up X-5 minis, they would rightly feel cheated.

[klisof]

There is a footnote in the article about the model count, they may have updated it fairly quickly based on feedback as it was there when I got to article in the evening.

 

[Xanthous]

That distinction between miniatures and game pieces seems like a pretty good way to alleviate some of the confusion, if they can stick to that nomenclature.

[Noserenda]

Specialist games might be bizzarely incapable of admitting fault but it is good news that they would take the hit and recall a particularly bad product, whether thats print quality or excessive chud in the rules/fiction. 

Now, if only they could address some of the problems in their other games, perhaps in some kind of document, about questions asked frequently? 

[skylerboodie]

2 hours ago, Xanthous said:

That distinction between miniatures and game pieces seems like a pretty good way to alleviate some of the confusion, if they can stick to that nomenclature.

 

And yet in that addendum they refer to miniatures, game pieces, and models!

 

It's 28, not 40, that's just a common sense view, imho.

[Orion]

Just stick with bases to define everything. The Astra Militarum Field Guns have "2 Miniatures" on the box

[spessmarine]

6 hours ago, JayJapanB said:

Just stick with bases to define everything. The Astra Militarum Field Guns have "2 Miniatures" on the box
 

 

Yeah, and Lion with his two little bros is still one miniature, they've got a pattern going already

[Matrindur]

They can just use the book reprinting delay to also reprint all the boxes with correct miniature numbers 

[Xanthous]

13 hours ago, JayJapanB said:

Just stick with bases to define everything. The Astra Militarum Field Guns have "2 Miniatures" on the box

 

7 hours ago, spessmarine said:

Yeah, and Lion with his two little bros is still one miniature, they've got a pattern going already

See I'd disagree with both of these from a hobby standpoint, and I'd argue that miniature is a hobby term first. There's nothing stopping you from taking each individual figure and putting them on their own base. When I painted the Field Ordnance Batteries, I did the four crewmen separately, so it was much more like 6 miniatures than 2. Furthermore, each crewman could have gone on either base, they weren't prescribed parts of the kit, they were actually entirely optional.

 

Ultimately, I think these are the two qualities that define a miniature from a hobby standpoint: the capacity to stand alone, and interchangeability on bases. I'd say this really comes down to a problem of synonymity; the word 'model' has come to have an entirely separate meaning purely related to the wargame. A wargame model does not have to be a hobby model, you could use cardboard cut outs, or even empty bases if you're desperate. GW might frown upon it but the rules do not cease entirely to work if you do this, with the exception of line of sight rules perhaps.

 

If, in the oh so distant future of 'later this year', I am buying a box of Legions Imperialis miniatures, and for whatever reason I haven't actually bothered finding out exactly what is inside the box, I'd rather be told the hobby miniature count than the game piece count as that reflects the imminent qualities of what I will do with the box. If I buy a box with 50 little legionaries, I'd rather the box say 50 than 10, as that is a more accurate reflection, in my opinion, of what is physically contained within that box.

 

[Warhead01]

13 hours ago, JayJapanB said:

Just stick with bases to define everything. The Astra Militarum Field Guns have "2 Miniatures" on the box

Game, set and match. 
GW really should have been more honest on the other box instead of that wishy washy mealy-mouthed " we really meant 28" nonsense.