ulrik vs chaplin

[yan]

Before I was running a tenman unit of bloodclaws with a chaplin, and was enjoying the +1 to wound.

Now Ulrik the slayer is the same cost and brings a better defensive and offensive profile, im doubting if the rerrol hits and wounds of 1 (full against monsters and vehicles) equals the +1 to wound for bloodclaws.

 

My list idea for now is something like this:

 

y (1995 points)
Space Marines
Space Wolves
Strike Force (2000 points)
Gladius Task Force

CHARACTER

Chaplain (70 points)
  • 1x Crozius arcanum
    1x Power fist

Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour (40 points)
  • 1x Chainfist
    1x Cyclone missile launcher
    1x Storm bolter

Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour (40 points)
  • 1x Chainfist
    1x Cyclone missile launcher
    1x Storm bolter

Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf (115 points)
  • Warlord
  • 1x Close combat weapon
    1x Crushing teeth and claws
    1x Relic Shield
    1x Thunder hammer
  • Enhancement: The Honour Vehement

BATTLELINE

Blood Claws (140 points)
  • 1x Blood Claw Pack Leader
    • 1x Plasma pistol
      1x Power fist
  • 9x Blood Claw
    • 9x Astartes chainsword
      9x Bolt pistol

Blood Claws (140 points)
  • 1x Blood Claw Pack Leader
    • 1x Plasma pistol
      1x Power fist
  • 9x Blood Claw
    • 9x Astartes chainsword
      9x Bolt pistol

OTHER DATASHEETS

Land Raider (240 points)
  • 1x Armoured tracks
    2x Godhammer lascannon
    1x Hunter-killer missile
    1x Multi-melta
    1x Storm bolter
    1x Twin heavy bolter

Land Raider Redeemer (260 points)
  • 1x Armoured tracks
    2x Flamestorm cannon
    1x Hunter-killer missile
    1x Multi-melta
    1x Storm bolter
    1x Twin assault cannon

Predator Annihilator (130 points)
  • 1x Armoured tracks
    1x Hunter-killer missile
    2x Lascannon
    1x Predator twin lascannon
    1x Storm bolter

Predator Destructor (130 points)
  • 1x Armoured tracks
    1x Hunter-killer missile
    2x Lascannon
    1x Predator autocannon
    1x Storm bolter

Thunderwolf Cavalry (180 points)
  • 1x Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader
    • 1x Crushing teeth and claws
      1x Heirloom weapon
      1x Storm Shield
  • 5x Thunderwolf Cavalry
    • 5x Crushing teeth and claws
      5x Heirloom weapon
      5x Storm Shield

Thunderwolf Cavalry (180 points)
  • 1x Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader
    • 1x Crushing teeth and claws
      1x Heirloom weapon
      1x Storm Shield
  • 5x Thunderwolf Cavalry
    • 5x Crushing teeth and claws
      5x Heirloom weapon
      5x Storm Shield

Thunderwolf Cavalry (180 points)
  • 1x Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader
    • 1x Crushing teeth and claws
      1x Heirloom weapon
      1x Storm Shield
  • 5x Thunderwolf Cavalry
    • 5x Crushing teeth and claws
      5x Heirloom weapon
      5x Storm Shield

Whirlwind (150 points)
  • 1x Armoured tracks
    1x Hunter-killer missile
    1x Storm bolter
    1x Whirlwind vengeance launcher

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by yan

[Bouargh]

Statlines of Ulrik and Chaplain are similar. But Ulrik gets a better yield in both Shooting and Close Combat due to enhanced weapons profiles. 

In terms of buffs, they are slightly different and eventually selecting one or the other may be a matter of detailled tactical insight from your army list. For example, a long fang squad may take Ulrik as a leader while no Devastator squad could be joined by a Chaplain...

 

 

On 9/15/2023 at 5:29 PM, yan said:

Before I was running a tenman unit of bloodclaws with a chaplin, and was enjoying the +1 to wound.

 

One serious issue with your list and the preliminar comment of yours is that it is illegal. A chaplain cannot join Bloodclaws. He can only join an Assault, Command, Tactical or a Sternguard Squad. Edited: missed the note on BC datasheet. My 2 cents...
Similarly Ulrik can join only  BC, GH, LF or WG. Edited: this anyway remains correct

So, in fact, they do not really compete for the slot... Edited: Or do they?

Edited September 19, 2023 by Bouargh
Missed the note for character attachment in the BC datasheet...

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

1 hour ago, Bouargh said:

One serious issue with your list and the preliminar comment of yours is that it is illegal. A chaplain cannot join Bloodclaws. He can only join an Assault, Command, Tactical or a Sternguard Squad.
Similarly Ulrik can join only  BC, GH, LF or WG.

So, in fact, they do not really compete for the slot...

 

This is not correct. On the Blood Claws datasheet it specifically states that if a character can join Assault Squad it can join Blood Claws. And as you pointed out chaplains can join Assault Squads and therefore Blood Claws.

[Bouargh]

2 hours ago, Rune Priest Jbickb said:

 

This is not correct. On the Blood Claws datasheet it specifically states that if a character can join Assault Squad it can join Blood Claws. And as you pointed out chaplains can join Assault Squads and therefore Blood Claws.

 

You are fully and awfully right, I completly missed this note in the BC datasheet. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Bouargh

[Karhedron]

The two look fairly similarly balanced. I would have said that the Chaplain's +1 to Wound was better but now that OOM is being nerfed, Ulrik's rerolls to Hit and Wound become proportionally more valuable. I am not sure there is much in it to be honest.