yan Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) Before I was running a tenman unit of bloodclaws with a chaplin, and was enjoying the +1 to wound. Now Ulrik the slayer is the same cost and brings a better defensive and offensive profile, im doubting if the rerrol hits and wounds of 1 (full against monsters and vehicles) equals the +1 to wound for bloodclaws. My list idea for now is something like this: y (1995 points) Space Marines Space Wolves Strike Force (2000 points) Gladius Task Force CHARACTER Chaplain (70 points) • 1x Crozius arcanum 1x Power fist Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour (40 points) • 1x Chainfist 1x Cyclone missile launcher 1x Storm bolter Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour (40 points) • 1x Chainfist 1x Cyclone missile launcher 1x Storm bolter Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf (115 points) • Warlord • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Crushing teeth and claws 1x Relic Shield 1x Thunder hammer • Enhancement: The Honour Vehement BATTLELINE Blood Claws (140 points) • 1x Blood Claw Pack Leader • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 9x Blood Claw • 9x Astartes chainsword 9x Bolt pistol Blood Claws (140 points) • 1x Blood Claw Pack Leader • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 9x Blood Claw • 9x Astartes chainsword 9x Bolt pistol OTHER DATASHEETS Land Raider (240 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Godhammer lascannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Multi-melta 1x Storm bolter 1x Twin heavy bolter Land Raider Redeemer (260 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Flamestorm cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Multi-melta 1x Storm bolter 1x Twin assault cannon Predator Annihilator (130 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 2x Lascannon 1x Predator twin lascannon 1x Storm bolter Predator Destructor (130 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 2x Lascannon 1x Predator autocannon 1x Storm bolter Thunderwolf Cavalry (180 points) • 1x Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader • 1x Crushing teeth and claws 1x Heirloom weapon 1x Storm Shield • 5x Thunderwolf Cavalry • 5x Crushing teeth and claws 5x Heirloom weapon 5x Storm Shield Thunderwolf Cavalry (180 points) • 1x Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader • 1x Crushing teeth and claws 1x Heirloom weapon 1x Storm Shield • 5x Thunderwolf Cavalry • 5x Crushing teeth and claws 5x Heirloom weapon 5x Storm Shield Thunderwolf Cavalry (180 points) • 1x Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader • 1x Crushing teeth and claws 1x Heirloom weapon 1x Storm Shield • 5x Thunderwolf Cavalry • 5x Crushing teeth and claws 5x Heirloom weapon 5x Storm Shield Whirlwind (150 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter 1x Whirlwind vengeance launcher Edited September 15, 2023 by yan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouargh Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) Statlines of Ulrik and Chaplain are similar. But Ulrik gets a better yield in both Shooting and Close Combat due to enhanced weapons profiles. In terms of buffs, they are slightly different and eventually selecting one or the other may be a matter of detailled tactical insight from your army list. For example, a long fang squad may take Ulrik as a leader while no Devastator squad could be joined by a Chaplain... On 9/15/2023 at 5:29 PM, yan said: Before I was running a tenman unit of bloodclaws with a chaplin, and was enjoying the +1 to wound. One serious issue with your list and the preliminar comment of yours is that it is illegal. A chaplain cannot join Bloodclaws. He can only join an Assault, Command, Tactical or a Sternguard Squad. Edited: missed the note on BC datasheet. My 2 cents... Similarly Ulrik can join only BC, GH, LF or WG. Edited: this anyway remains correct So, in fact, they do not really compete for the slot... Edited: Or do they? Edited September 19, 2023 by Bouargh Missed the note for character attachment in the BC datasheet... Rune Priest Jbickb 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Bouargh said: One serious issue with your list and the preliminar comment of yours is that it is illegal. A chaplain cannot join Bloodclaws. He can only join an Assault, Command, Tactical or a Sternguard Squad. Similarly Ulrik can join only BC, GH, LF or WG. So, in fact, they do not really compete for the slot... This is not correct. On the Blood Claws datasheet it specifically states that if a character can join Assault Squad it can join Blood Claws. And as you pointed out chaplains can join Assault Squads and therefore Blood Claws. Bouargh and Karhedron 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouargh Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rune Priest Jbickb said: This is not correct. On the Blood Claws datasheet it specifically states that if a character can join Assault Squad it can join Blood Claws. And as you pointed out chaplains can join Assault Squads and therefore Blood Claws. You are fully and awfully right, I completly missed this note in the BC datasheet. Edited September 19, 2023 by Bouargh Rune Priest Jbickb 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 The two look fairly similarly balanced. I would have said that the Chaplain's +1 to Wound was better but now that OOM is being nerfed, Ulrik's rerolls to Hit and Wound become proportionally more valuable. I am not sure there is much in it to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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