Upcoming BL Stuff 2024

[Bestkeptsecret]

Hello, does someone have the event announcement link to the December Black Library event or a Warhammer online event where products releasing in 2025 will be shown? Or has such an event not been officially announced on the Warhammer Community page yet and will be revealed in the last week of November?

[darkhorse0607]

2 minutes ago, Bestkeptsecret said:

Hello, does someone have the event announcement link to the December Black Library event or a Warhammer online event where products releasing in 2025 will be shown? Or has such an event not been officially announced on the Warhammer Community page yet and will be revealed in the last week of November?

 

It hasn't been officially announced yet, we are just making the assumption based on the last few years

[Taliesin]

 

Valrak confirming he has heard the Scouring is next, maybe to be revealed at the next preview.

[Silent Observant]

1 hour ago, Bestkeptsecret said:

Hello, does someone have the event announcement link to the December Black Library event or a Warhammer online event where products releasing in 2025 will be shown? Or has such an event not been officially announced on the Warhammer Community page yet and will be revealed in the last week of November?

 

Yeah just looking at the Warhammer Comm website, they've had a preview the first or second weekend of December (pending the year's month structure) since 2020, since we used to have the in-person weekender and another set of events called Black Library Live, but since Covid its been virtual.

 

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Wanted to put a list of possibilities below for announcement (minus AoS of course)

 

HH/Scouring

-Era of Ruin (If not announced before)

-Scouring Series (Hoping to be at least announced or acknowledged but pessimistic since Era or Ruin will likely have the big spot for earlyish next year, Scouring may be announced later in the year)

-Maybe another character series announcement (I.e. sigismund, Eidolon, etc type book)

-Maybe something to go along with heresy 2.5 rulebook (This is my own mind trust, but with the release of the last rulebook (2.0) we had Cthonia's Reckoning, and 40k and AoS get their own tie ins for new additions (Indomitus, Skaven Tide, Leviathan), so maybe we have something to go with the Next HH Version)

 

40k

-Dawn of Fire - (Finalizing the Series here)

-Usually announce either titles we hear from embargo and a usual smattering of authors, last year was Spear of Fatih, Ahriman Undying, Lazarus, Renegades Lords of Excess)

-Possibly a Reference Book (Last Year was Art of the Heresy, Year before that was First Founding)

-Possibly another of the Renegades Series (Khorne, Nurgle, Maybe Tzeentch if Alpha Legion wasn't direct to them)

-Announcements of Past Book going LE (The Infinite and the The Divine Last year, (SPEAKING OF THAT, WHERE IS IT??)

 

 

Wishlist

-Final Bequin Book (I'm expecting this to likely be announced within the next 2 years, as Interceptor City will be released this year, this title is likely WIP or in Editing)

-Black Legion 3 (PLEASE ADB)

-Spears of the Emperor 2 (PLEASE AGAIN ADB)

-Chris Wraight - (Wolves, Death Guard, Watchers of the Throne)

-Guy Haley - (More Cawl and More Blood Angels)

-Lion / Guilliman Book or follow on series to dawn of fire- Author IDK

-Mike Brooks (Alpha Legion)

 

There's probably others I have missed, but figure I'd get the wish listing started.

[cheywood]

While I hope for a 20 title extravaganza I think the online preview is going to be a modest affair going forward. BL announces titles mostly through WarCom posts these days. Setting my expectations accordingly I hope we’ll see something along the lines of:

 

Era of Ruin official announcement

First book in the Scouring (my guess is Wraight or Abnett, outside chance of Haley or French) 

Another entry in the Carrion Throne series (or the finale to Wraight’s custodes works, which will tie both series together in a beautiful bow) 

Dawn of Fire 9

verminslayer or whatever the next Gotrek novel is called

Horus Primarch novel

 

My unlikely-but I’ll-dream-anyways list is:

new Fehervari novel

new ADB novel

new Crowley novel

[Silent Observant]

Agree there likely wont be a large preview, especially after this year. Expectations are low.

[skylerboodie]

Maybe we'll finally get the annotated version of Malleus, which Dan Abnett thought in an interview was already out when said he'd submitted the manuscript for Hereticus.

[Krelious]

"Valrak confirming he has heard the Scouring is next, maybe to be revealed at the next preview."

 

I hope GW does something to prevent the scalping. 

[Ubiquitous1984]

9 hours ago, Krelious said:

"Valrak confirming he has heard the Scouring is next, maybe to be revealed at the next preview."

 

I hope GW does something to prevent the scalping. 

5000 LE print runs will help IMO.

[Krelious]

13 hours ago, Ubiquitous1984 said:

5000 LE print runs will help IMO.

I think the safe thing to do is no more online pre-orders for high demand items you have to go to a GW store in person and have them place the order for you and then you can ask them to have it delivered to your house. Much better than the alternative of bots shutting down the website and no one gets anything. 

 

 

[theSpirea]

2 hours ago, Krelious said:

I think the safe thing to do is no more online pre-orders for high demand items you have to go to a GW store in person and have them place the order for you and then you can ask them to have it delivered to your house. Much better than the alternative of bots shutting down the website and no one gets anything. 

 

 

This was proposed and discussed before. This is absolutely the worst solution.

People never really think this through when proposing it, living in their bubble, thinking GW store is on every corner. My closest GW store is 4 hours drive, there are countries that don't even have a single GW store.

Because there's nothing better people want to do on Saturdays than to spend half a day driving to the GW to place an order. You do realize many of the scalpers are from the hobby/UK who have easy access to the GW store?

[byrd9999]

No system will be foolproof. Lean too hard one way and you prevent genuine fans from buying. Lean too far the other way and too many scalpers will benefit.

 

But there must be a better way than some of the debacles we have seen.

 

Larger print runs would certainly help. More supply reduces the scarcity, and reduces resale value. Less profit means less incentive for scalpers.

 

And GW make more money. It's win-win, really. GW need to get over their fear of having stock sitting in their warehouses for longer than 5 minutes.

[skylerboodie]

They know months in advance what they have coming so I dont know why they dont do a made-to-order preorder period (they did it in the past for some Heresy novellas?) for the expected highly sought Special Editions and then every one who wants one at the time gets one, even if has to wait 12 months for production and delivery.

[Ubiquitous1984]

55 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

They know months in advance what they have coming so I dont know why they dont do a made-to-order preorder period (they did it in the past for some Heresy novellas?) for the expected highly sought Special Editions and then every one who wants one at the time gets one, even if has to wait 12 months for production and delivery.

That's a great idea.  Release the hardback/ebook and then whoever wants the LE, make it a print to order.  Love this idea.

[theSpirea]

8 hours ago, skylerboodie said:

They know months in advance what they have coming so I dont know why they dont do a made-to-order preorder period (they did it in the past for some Heresy novellas?) for the expected highly sought Special Editions and then every one who wants one at the time gets one, even if has to wait 12 months for production and delivery.

Scarcity creates hype

[Krelious]

On 11/8/2024 at 2:56 AM, theSpirea said:

This was proposed and discussed before. This is absolutely the worst solution.

People never really think this through when proposing it, living in their bubble, thinking GW store is on every corner. My closest GW store is 4 hours drive, there are countries that don't even have a single GW store.

Because there's nothing better people want to do on Saturdays than to spend half a day driving to the GW to place an order. You do realize many of the scalpers are from the hobby/UK who have easy access to the GW store?

I dont know anyone who got Vol 3 without paying scalpers for it and the book was never resold in my country. I think its an easy solution that if a country doesnt have a GW store then they should reach out to affiliated hobby shops and give them like a special pre-order weblink  they can use for customers and requires a password for that unique store.  

 

I think having it sold on the website is the worst idea possible because its just going to lead to it being bogged down with bots and no one gets anything. 

 

I'd also point out theres no evidence that the majority of scalpers are involved in the hobby and many of them are resellers who buy up anything they know is in high demand and are part of a discord group that sells the AI botting tools and tells them whats in demand. Many of them resell things like limited edition shoes.

 

Worst comes to worst they do a phone in system where you call a specific store and you have to provide them with a serial number from another limited edition book you own for them to enter you into the queue but i think people who can physically show up the store should get first dibs. 

 

The only other thing I could think of is if something is known to be in high demand and is an item that will get scalped I think GW should set up maybe a period of 3 days, a month before the release of the book where you can submit pictures of your book collection or other warhammer 40k products and maybe a short blurb like whats your favourite novel or character etc. The month before hand is for GW staff to verify the pics are legit and for them to weed out any potential fakes, log IP addresses so its only 1 per person. 

 

 

[cheywood]

22 minutes ago, Krelious said:

I dont know anyone who got Vol 3 without paying scalpers for it and the book was never resold in my country. I think its an easy solution that if a country doesnt have a GW store then they should reach out to affiliated hobby shops and give them like a special pre-order weblink  they can use for customers and requires a password for that unique store.  

 

I think having it sold on the website is the worst idea possible because its just going to lead to it being bogged down with bots and no one gets anything. 

 

I'd also point out theres no evidence that the majority of scalpers are involved in the hobby and many of them are resellers who buy up anything they know is in high demand and are part of a discord group that sells the AI botting tools and tells them whats in demand. Many of them resell things like limited edition shoes.

 

Worst comes to worst they do a phone in system where you call a specific store and you have to provide them with a serial number from another limited edition book you own for them to enter you into the queue but i think people who can physically show up the store should get first dibs. 

 

The only other thing I could think of is if something is known to be in high demand and is an item that will get scalped I think GW should set up maybe a period of 3 days, a month before the release of the book where you can submit pictures of your book collection or other warhammer 40k products and maybe a short blurb like whats your favourite novel or character etc. The month before hand is for GW staff to verify the pics are legit and for them to weed out any potential fakes, log IP addresses so its only 1 per person. 

 

 

Giving out web codes to let people purchase it in third party shops and having employees staff phone lines so people can list off serial numbers to prove they’re real fans? It’s amusing in a Rube-Goldberg sort of way, but those don’t seem like plausible solutions. They’d require both Games Workshop and BL fans to go to so much extra effort.

Edited November 9 by cheywood

[Malkydel]

I still remember when you had to phone to try and get a Gold Ticket for the first Weekender.

[theSpirea]

2 hours ago, Krelious said:

I dont know anyone who got Vol 3 without paying scalpers for it and the book was never resold in my country. I think its an easy solution that if a country doesnt have a GW store then they should reach out to affiliated hobby shops and give them like a special pre-order weblink  they can use for customers and requires a password for that unique store.  

 

I think having it sold on the website is the worst idea possible because its just going to lead to it being bogged down with bots and no one gets anything. 

 

I'd also point out theres no evidence that the majority of scalpers are involved in the hobby and many of them are resellers who buy up anything they know is in high demand and are part of a discord group that sells the AI botting tools and tells them whats in demand. Many of them resell things like limited edition shoes.

 

Worst comes to worst they do a phone in system where you call a specific store and you have to provide them with a serial number from another limited edition book you own for them to enter you into the queue but i think people who can physically show up the store should get first dibs. 

 

The only other thing I could think of is if something is known to be in high demand and is an item that will get scalped I think GW should set up maybe a period of 3 days, a month before the release of the book where you can submit pictures of your book collection or other warhammer 40k products and maybe a short blurb like whats your favourite novel or character etc. The month before hand is for GW staff to verify the pics are legit and for them to weed out any potential fakes, log IP addresses so its only 1 per person. 

 

 

I don’t know where you work or whether you have any experience in publishing, or in general with the systems and workload that would be necessary to implement to handle this.

Again, BL is only a fraction of GW’s revenue, so implementing such measures would be extreme overkill just to sell 2.5K books.

 

I understand what you mean, but these are not feasible solutions. Customer experience wouldn’t improve, and it would dramatically increase costs on GW’s side.

- Sending GW photos of your collection? Easy to fake. And having GW employees verify it? What's the process? How would they decide what’s legitimate and what isn’t?

- Sending a short blurb about your favorite novel? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t prove anything. Again, what’s the process to verify if it’s genuine or not? Can you imagine the backlash GW would face if they flagged a genuine fan as a "potential scalper" because their short blurb seemed fake?

 

Here's something I got with incredibly generic prompt from Sonnet 3.5:

• Horus Rising captures everything I love about the Warhammer 40K universe: epic scale, rich characters, and a storyline that dives into the early seeds of betrayal that would shape the galaxy. Dan Abnett does an incredible job bringing Horus, Loken, and the Luna Wolves to life, showing the grim loyalty and idealism of the Imperium before it all falls apart. It’s one of those books that keeps me coming back—there’s always more to unpack in its powerful themes and foreshadowing. 
• The Gaunt’s Ghosts series was more than just a story to me—it was a lifeline during some of my toughest days in Afghanistan. Abnett’s portrayal of soldiers fighting for survival, loyalty, and each other in a brutal, unyielding universe resonated deeply, grounding me when things felt darkest. Gaunt and his Ghosts reminded me that even in war’s harshest moments, camaraderie and purpose can help carry you through.

 

I would also like a better system, but as long as people are willing to pay scalper prices, scalpers will continue to exist.

Increasing the print run isn’t a solution either. Outside of SoT, LEs don’t really sell out that quickly or resell for that much. GW isn’t able to accurately predict whether a series will sell like crazy or not.

Edited November 9 by theSpirea

[skylerboodie]

32 minutes ago, theSpirea said:

GW isn’t able to accurately predict whether a series will sell like crazy or not.

 

I agree with all except this. It should be pretty easy for GW to have a good idea, it's obvious to most of us which will sell well and which won't. 

[darkhorse0607]

18 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

 

I agree with all except this. It should be pretty easy for GW to have a good idea, it's obvious to most of us which will sell well and which won't. 

 

True, but with how things have gone on the miniatures side with either the over or under production of certain kits, I don't necessarily think that the forecasting folks for GW are as in tune with the customer base as we are, or as they should be

[norDrow]

My idea for limiting scalper activity would be to make payment for highly attractive books voucher only. Combine this with the culling of orders Black Library did with TEatD III LE and scalpers would have to tie up a lot of money with no guarantee of getting books to sell on. Unfortunately, this would apply to any legitimate fan who fails to get a copy as well. But it still would be a lot fairer than limiting to store only orders.

I suspect that this may run afoul of some laws on having to offer payment options, though.

[darkhorse0607]

Up next week

 

Malleus Illustrated and Annotated Edition

 

Red Gobbo audio collection (Da Gobbos Revenge, Da Gobbos Demise, Da Wrong Type of Green, Da Gobbo Rides Again, The Instigator)

 

Wolf's Honor (audio)

 

And because we have nothing else to talk about

 

The Ghosts of Barak-Minoz (paperback)

 

Skaventide (paperback)

 

 

[grailkeeper]

On 11/9/2024 at 3:36 PM, Malkydel said:

I still remember when you had to phone to try and get a Gold Ticket for the first Weekender.

 

 

I got mine in a lucky box of marines and got taken to the secret BL factory where James Workshop gave me the tour until I accidentally fell into the river of Bolt porn and all the staff sang a song about my Ironic fate.

[Nagashsnee]

On 11/9/2024 at 3:33 PM, Krelious said:

I dont know anyone who got Vol 3 without paying scalpers for it and the book was never resold in my country. I think its an easy solution that if a country doesnt have a GW store then they should reach out to affiliated hobby shops and give them like a special pre-order weblink  they can use for customers and requires a password for that unique store.  

 

I think having it sold on the website is the worst idea possible because its just going to lead to it being bogged down with bots and no one gets anything. 

 

I'd also point out theres no evidence that the majority of scalpers are involved in the hobby and many of them are resellers who buy up anything they know is in high demand and are part of a discord group that sells the AI botting tools and tells them whats in demand. Many of them resell things like limited edition shoes.

 

Worst comes to worst they do a phone in system where you call a specific store and you have to provide them with a serial number from another limited edition book you own for them to enter you into the queue but i think people who can physically show up the store should get first dibs. 

 

The only other thing I could think of is if something is known to be in high demand and is an item that will get scalped I think GW should set up maybe a period of 3 days, a month before the release of the book where you can submit pictures of your book collection or other warhammer 40k products and maybe a short blurb like whats your favourite novel or character etc. The month before hand is for GW staff to verify the pics are legit and for them to weed out any potential fakes, log IP addresses so its only 1 per person. 

 

 

 

Dream bigger. To get a BL limited edition should be no easy feat that any mere mortal plebeian can even dream of completing.  It is a honour, NAY a privilege  that must be closely guarded least the unworthy accidently 'checks notes' buy a BL book. 

 

Thus to begin with prospective challengers must visit a GW store not located in their country of residence in person. There they must answer 3 riddles posed by the oldest gaming warhammer player present. If they answer all 3 correctly they will have to name the original name of 3 GW paints chosen by the store smelliest regular (several of these can be on file if he is not present). Once this hurdled is complete they will have to spend 3 days and 3 nights talking about their existing BL collection with full serial codes and tales of acquisition to be presented by memory on a book by book basis, if they run out of books before the dawn of the 4 day they fail this test.  If they have made it thus far they will be entered into a lottery which will determine who can enter the raffle that will select the people who will eligle to travel to Warhammer world and stand in the line that will lead to the arena where they will make their case to a board of people who did not get the last bl LE book on why they deserve the pleasure that the judges were denied thru the medium of interpretive dance.  The selected will then be bled and their collective vitae placed in the Blood Chalice of Kyme and upon its filling all will sip and swear ETERNAL FAITH to Jim Workshop and his 40.000 hammers before being given their book.

 

 

Or just you know print more and/or made to order.   FOMO got some of you thinking we are talking about the last drinking water on earth or something.  Its artificial scarcity, don't be mad at the scalpers, be mad at BL for steadily refusing to make any effort to MEET DEMAND. 

 

They dont have to release books on the same days as models. They dont have to pre print anything before it goes on sale ( i ordered a brilliant cubicle 7 warhammer rpg book 2-3 months in advance, it wasnt hard), they dont have to make LE anything, they can just call it a deluxe edition and print a second batch if the demand is there.  They CHOOSE to keep going on the same broken system and they do it cause its the easy path.  And fair dos, if they are hitting their targets and management doesn't believe its worth the cost. But its 100% on BL, 101%.  Scalpers are just making some of the easiest money they will ever make.

 

And i promise all of you, the answer is not having us consumers write fething essays on why we deserve to buy a bloody BL book. 

 

 

 

Edited November 11 by Nagashsnee