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2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Right lads, what are we up to?

 

I sort of assumed from your and Necro's posts you were both inclined to go the sea route. I've not seen anything from @Urauloth or @Mike Zulu to indicate a preference on their part. Amaras is basically on autopilot so he'll do whatever the rest of you want.

 

So I was taking that as a majority of those who have expressed an opinion, and so we'd move forwards with that plan, hence why I included it in the latest post.

 

However, if I'm wrong, it's no big problem to dial it back and alter your flight path... but I think it might be simplest to just go with it now, if people are happy doing so?

41 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

I sort of assumed from your and Necro's posts you were both inclined to go the sea route.

 

Yessir, that was the plan, I was just giving anyone else an opportunity for an alternative.

 

41 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

I've not seen anything from @Urauloth or @Mike Zulu to indicate a preference on their part. Amaras is basically on autopilot so he'll do whatever the rest of you want.

 

Okies.

 

41 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

So I was taking that as a majority of those who have expressed an opinion, and so we'd move forwards with that plan, hence why I included it in the latest post.

 

No, I dig.

 

41 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

However, if I'm wrong, it's no big problem to dial it back and alter your flight path... but I think it might be simplest to just go with it now, if people are happy doing so?

 

No, not at all, my only concern is we're effectively dropping over an unknown depth, with a five hour hike to shallows, then a stroll upriver. I was going to ask for the water depth IC, but expected someone else to post and ask these questions, hence my reticence.

 

Otherwise:

 

'The Codex Astartes does not support this action - but I am looking forward to it.'

- Gadriel. Sergeant, Ultramarines.

 

EDIT: Sploosh!

 

Edited by Mazer Rackham
8 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

my only concern is we're effectively dropping over an unknown depth, with a five hour hike to shallows, then a stroll upriver. I was going to ask for the water depth IC, but expected someone else to post and ask these questions, hence my reticence.

 

 

Sorry, you're absolutely right that this is info you would have had while planning. The waters on the moon are relatively shallow, definitely seas rather than oceans. Depth at drop off would be maybe 300m, gradually rising towards the Bazaar, so you aren't operating at levels where light isn't penetrating or pressure becomes a problem for your power armour. There are deeper areas, of course, but they are further out.

 

Movement will be as per rules for swimming, using Str rather than Ag (edit: actually, you can each choose between the two) but obviously you don't have to worry about Toughness test/Fatigue/sinking/drowning as you've already sunk and can basically walk along the bottom!
 

Edited by Lysimachus

For those interested on a quick calc:

 

300 metres equates to roughly 440 pounds of pressure per square inch.

 

To put that into perspective, hull crush depth of a WWII German U-boat was 280m. Armour breaches at this depth would be...inconvenient. :pirate:

Edited by Mazer Rackham
5 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

For those interested on a quick calc:

 

300 metres equates to roughly 440 pounds of pressure per square inch.

 

To put that into perspective, hull crush depth of a WWII German U-boat was 280m. Armour breaches at this depth would be...inconvenient. :pirate:

Remember this is 40K!

 

Where the Shuttle that brought us in has the aerodynamics of a Brick and  you want to bring in Real World Physics???

 

 

 

 

Considering atmospheric pressure is only 14.7 psi (at sea level), environmental seals don't typically have to hold much positive (gauge) pressure above that. I don't know if in the lore they really dive into the practical limits of what maximum pressure differential power armour seals can maintain, and I'm guessing they don't for good reason, but I would reckon that 95%+ of their use cases are just to maintain a positive atmospheric seal, or otherwise seal against the vacuum of space.

 

On the other hand this is the far, far science-fantasy future so we can obviously hand-wave it away and say it's trivial for them to maintain high pressure differentials at low temperatures like you would see 300m below sea level (this is the real bane of seals besides explosive decompression and hydrogen embrittlement). Also maintaining a low pressure seal feels comical to someone who regularly works with equipment that functions under thousands of pounds of pressure, but it is obviously of grave concern in particular areas.

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2 hours ago, Machine God said:

Remember this is 40K!

 

Where the Shuttle that brought us in has the aerodynamics of a Brick and  you want to bring in Real World Physics???

 

Dare you to take a dip, and take your helmet off.... :teehee:

 

1 hour ago, Necronaut said:

On the other hand this is the far, far science-fantasy future so we can obviously hand-wave it away...

 

Make like Brian Blessed, and dive? There's a mega-squid down here probably..!

 

Edited by Mazer Rackham

I figured 300m wasn't unreasonable, I think the record for free diving is 200+ m so an Astartes should be able to do better than that, especially in power armour?

 

But regardless of that, like all 40k tech, my stories are powered by hand-wavium and shouting bald men! :laugh:

 

Don't worry too much about the depth, I assume you are heading immediately inland anyway so it will get shallower and shallower? Once you get within a few km of the beach, it's down to 10m or less, so that shouldn't be any problem for your gear?

Ok, I will probably put in a quick update either late this evening or tomorrow to land the shuttle.

 

I know that is chronologically a little bit after whatever is happening with the strike team, but I also want to let the infiltration team keep moving forward with their bit too?

 

 

Edited by Lysimachus

What do we think, do we ask Facilitator Bouchard about mercenaries (Silver Serpented Eldar in particular) straight away, or do we start with some trade goods or other thing that is inline with our cover.

 

The latter would buy time for the offshore party to walk closer to shore, and might cement our cover better, but the longer we are here the more risk of things going pear-shaped I suspect.   

Enquiries about Mercenaries for trading within Eldar regions. You are from a Trading House or Rogue Trader family. 

 

Make small talk and ask about the Dark Eldar? 

 

Asterius is just there to be a Bodyguard and growl. 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Trokair said:

What do we think, do we ask Facilitator Bouchard about mercenaries (Silver Serpented Eldar in particular) straight away, or do we start with some trade goods or other thing that is inline with our cover.

 

The latter would buy time for the offshore party to walk closer to shore, and might cement our cover better, but the longer we are here the more risk of things going pear-shaped I suspect.   

 

You never want to get directly to the point. I believe your instincts are right and that you will want to do a bit of window shopping (or perhaps actual shopping) before coming to the "real purpose" behind your visit.

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