Dark angels rules are out ...

[lonewolf81]

So Dark angels rules are out and things look pretty "dark" for them. Their special rules are nowhere near the SM detachments

 

Looks like  they got the rule of 2 :)

2xnew detachments, 2x new character models (beliah, asmodai) , 2xnew units (companions, DW knights), 2xframe upgrade kit :)

 

Probably blood angles and us wolves we' ll get the same treatment

 

What do you think?

 

PS : seeing the changes in their index detachment i dont keep my hopes up for fixing our champions of russ 

Edited January 20 by lonewolf81

[Tokugawa]

BT had 3 old named hero models, and get all 3 updated in 9th release.

 

DA had 5, people wish to get 5 updated, but only receive 3. (end 9th Azreal could also be considered part of this wave).

 

BA and SW have more…but also would get 3?

 

[Karhedron]

It certainly seems the safest bet. Unlike DAs, SWs have never had fixed distinctions between Great Companies. Companies like Fire Wolves and Iron Wolves are mentioned in the fluff but are largely left to player's imagination to implement. The closest we have come is Logan's Great Company which is heavy on Wolf Guard to give a kind of Wolfwing style list.

 

I really hope our basic Detachment gets reworked as it is very bad at the moment and probably the worst SM detachment. However since DAs did not get changed, I am not overly optimistic. I am more cautious about whether our distinctive Firstborn units will survive into the new Codex.

 

I wonder which Characters will get made in plastic? Most of them already are, although some such as Ulrik are still firstborn. Arguably Logan does not matter so much since Terminators can be either Primaris or FB. Njal would be the logical candidate since he is the only one of the original trio of SW characters who is not yet available in plastic.

[Bryan Blaire]

I’m not very hopeful for what GW will do with the Wolves in 10th - the models may look nice, but the rules aren’t in a good place and don’t reflect the Wolves and their methods of doing this well, nor do they allow the narrative around packs well at all without giving your opponent an advantage over you in points.  I hate being a downer this entire Edition, but given what we keep seeing, I doubt that will be changing for me.

 

Ah well, just means I get to keep slow burning on my Drakeslayers without worrying about how poor GW’s game really is, and I save money.

Edited January 20 by Bryan Blaire

[Beef]

I for one will be fine if they release a new Grimnar and Ulrik model, Primaris size.  They can stay first born as long as they increase the model size/  

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

Do the DA still have access to the Space marine detachments? 

 

As much as I would love quality thematic wolves detachment I am enjoying the space marine ones and as long as I could keep those I wouldn't be totally crushed. But man I do hope we get some decently thematic ones.

 

As for loss of units I don't really think there's anything to indicate that in this release.  DA didn't lose anything that I am aware of. Exceptingvthings we all lost anyway like speeders

[Bryan Blaire]

DA lost both unique squads (Deathwing Command Squad, may be others, I don’t have the book or leaks directly) and they lost at least one unique option for squads (no more mixing and matching CCW and shooting in Terminator squads) that had the option since at least 1994…

[Karhedron]

Yeah, DAs still have access to the standard Codex detachments since any <Chapter> can use those.

 

The DAs lost a fair bit and I suspect we will see the same effect on our units when the time come. I expect WG Terminators to lose access to mixed squads, just like DAs have. At least we don't have a Command Squad equivalent to lose out on.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

I feel like Command squads were kind of an expected loss though as they left the space marine codex too. 

 

Looks like their other losses were the character Speeder, and a Terminator character that was basically a Terminator Lieutenant. Speeder makes sense as all the other Speeders are gone.

 

The loss of options is an unfortunate bit I hadn't caught, and probably is writing on the wall for us. Though I do feel like mixed options is more in the character of space wolves than dark angels,  as wolves are generally depicted as vastly more individual by nature. 

 

Also looks like the biggest sadnesses are coming in the form of rules nerfs and a sub par new unit.

 

As for what this means for us, unknown, here is what I expect-

 

Physical releases-

Njal in TDA model

TCav Character model (single with options)

New Terminator Sprues (this seems to be Terminator edition)

Some new wolfy McWolferson unit (sad but probably true)

Upgrade sprue (this would be exciting!)

Book (obviously) 

 

Rules-

No clue, GW seems to have lost their way with the wolves a bit so I expect no change to our current Detachment and have no idea what they will think we should have otherwise. Though I would wishlist a dread focused one...

 

Losses-

Bases on the DA losses, my guess would be some cleaning up of characters, and not much else.

 

All guess work of course, no runes cast here, but would be somewhat in line.

[lonewolf81]

I think blood angels will get updated sanguinary guard to go with updated dante, updated sanguinary priest and probably a libby/death company/furioso redemptor style kit.

Wolves will probably get a termie character like arjack or njal, a thunderwolf lord kit,  a dread kit to build bjorn/axe and shield/murderfang and updated thunderwolves. Wulfen still scale great with the new primaris. 

Death company and grey hunters / bloodclaws can all be made with the upgrade sprues and existing tacticus kits. 

 

Wolves only got ragnar but blood angels got mephiston+ dante  and dark angels got lazarus + azrael (before their codex release) so they owe us one more character :)

 

 

 

Edited January 21 by lonewolf81

[Wolf Guard Dan]

To keep the trend of what happened with deathwing knights I expect Wulfen hammers to be nerfed down 1 damage as well, to damage 0. 

[Wispy]

For models, based on what the Dark Angels and Black Templar, my expectation is the following:

New kits:

• Power Armour Infantry box - Builds Primaris Greyhunters and Bloodclaws
• Terminator Armour Box - Builds Wolf Guard
• Some sort of upgrade sprue with interesting bits

Characters:

• New Njal model
• New Arjac model
• New Lukas model

 

I'd really like to see some sort of Thunderwolf super kit that also builds both Canis and Harald, but I think that might be hoping for too much. Just a box that's a one stop shop for Thunderwolves. 

 

Also I don't expect to see new versions of Logan Grimnar and Ulrik since they are already in plastic and there's still some major finecast models that need replacing first. 

Edited January 24 by Wispy

[Guest Triszin]

Imho, I'd love a gravis ulrik.

But that's a wishlist.

 

 

I think wispys list is most likely

[Karhedron]

I am not expecting to see a specialised Primaris SW infantry box. Sadly I just think that is too much to hope for.

 

If we are very lucky, we might get an upgrade sprue to turn Intercessors into Primaris Grey Hunters and Assault Intercessors into Primaris Blood Claws but I am not even counting on that. I pretty much expect us to keep Firstborn Hunters/Claws/Fangs for this edition and continue to get only generic Primaris infantry.

[Wispy]

7 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I am not expecting to see a specialised Primaris SW infantry box. Sadly I just think that is too much to hope for.

 

If we are very lucky, we might get an upgrade sprue to turn Intercessors into Primaris Grey Hunters and Assault Intercessors into Primaris Blood Claws but I am not even counting on that. I pretty much expect us to keep Firstborn Hunters/Claws/Fangs for this edition and continue to get only generic Primaris infantry.

both black templar and dark angels got a specialized infantry box. Crusader Squad and Inner Circle Companions.

[Karhedron]

Just now, Wispy said:

both black templar and dark angels got a specialized infantry box. Crusader Squad and Inner Circle Companions.

 

If I lower my expectations enough then anything better will be a pleasant surprise.

[Wispy]

I tend to think Greyhunter and Bloodclaws at the new scale should be considered the highest priority. Lacking Greyhunter and Bloodclaws and Longfangs in todays contemporary Marine scale is a glaring & Asking Space Wolves players to run a Codex unit in Intercessors feels dirty.

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[Tokugawa]

On 1/22/2024 at 1:31 AM, lonewolf81 said:

I think blood angels will get updated sanguinary guard to go with updated dante, updated sanguinary priest and probably a libby/death company/furioso redemptor style kit.

Wolves will probably get a termie character like arjack or njal, a thunderwolf lord kit,  a dread kit to build bjorn/axe and shield/murderfang and updated thunderwolves. Wulfen still scale great with the new primaris. 

Death company and grey hunters / bloodclaws can all be made with the upgrade sprues and existing tacticus kits. 

 

Wolves only got ragnar but blood angels got mephiston+ dante  and dark angels got lazarus + azrael (before their codex release) so they owe us one more character :)

 

 

 

GW has less to none interests to make chapter exclusive vehicle now. IIRC there wasn't one since primaris. Maybe the low sales of your flying box plane changed GW's plan.

[TiguriusX]

8 minutes ago, Tokugawa said:

GW has less to none interests to make chapter exclusive vehicle now. IIRC there wasn't one since primaris. Maybe the low sales of your flying box plane changed GW's plan.

There was major criticism last edition that special codex marines were inherently better than vanilla codex marines because they always had more options/strats/ secondary choices etc.

 

GW has shifted the opposite way this edition.

 

They want vanilla marines to be the backbone of marine play now.

 

Unfortunately Ultramarines are considered vanilla marines and stand out as the "best" for many builds right now.

 

If you haven't play tested Marneus Calgar you are missing out

 

I play Gladius detachments and tell my opponent for me personally im playing "SW" and calgar rules are just  Logan Grimar for me.

Edited January 26 by TiguriusX

[Karhedron]

7 hours ago, TiguriusX said:

I play Gladius detachments and tell my opponent for me personally im playing "SW" and calgar rules are just  Logan Grimar for me.

 

My Gravis Captain is one step ahead of you. Calgar but more Wolfy! 

 

[DuckSauce]

On 1/24/2024 at 6:37 AM, Karhedron said:

I am not expecting to see a specialised Primaris SW infantry box. Sadly I just think that is too much to hope for.

 

If we are very lucky, we might get an upgrade sprue to turn Intercessors into Primaris Grey Hunters and Assault Intercessors into Primaris Blood Claws but I am not even counting on that. I pretty much expect us to keep Firstborn Hunters/Claws/Fangs for this edition and continue to get only generic Primaris infantry.

I think we are due. The last new model we got was Ragnar (I think), and that was 3 and a half years ago.

 

It likely won’t happen alongside our codex release but at some point this edition I am holding out hope for a Russ release with one of the campaign books they will do after all the codexes are out there.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

On 1/24/2024 at 3:32 AM, Wispy said:

For models, based on what the Dark Angels and Black Templar, my expectation is the following:

New kits:

• Power Armour Infantry box - Builds Primaris Greyhunters and Bloodclaws
• Terminator Armour Box - Builds Wolf Guard
• Some sort of upgrade sprue with interesting bits

Characters:

• New Njal model
• New Arjac model
• New Lukas model

 

I'd really like to see some sort of Thunderwolf super kit that also builds both Canis and Harald, but I think that might be hoping for too much. Just a box that's a one stop shop for Thunderwolves. 

 

Also I don't expect to see new versions of Logan Grimnar and Ulrik since they are already in plastic and there's still some major finecast models that need replacing first. 

I would be pleased if we got a new infantry kit that covered blood claws and grey hunters (Maybe even long fangs…) and terminators. I’m extremely nervous about GW removing options. Njal, Arjac, and Lukas getting new models would be great. They’ve all got their own black library books!

 

If we got new thunder wolf cavalry and Harald and Canis I would be over the moon. 

[Wispy]

2 hours ago, Wolf Guard Dan said:

I would be pleased if we got a new infantry kit that covered blood claws and grey hunters (Maybe even long fangs…) and terminators. I’m extremely nervous about GW removing options. Njal, Arjac, and Lukas getting new models would be great. They’ve all got their own black library books!

 

If we got new thunder wolf cavalry and Harald and Canis I would be over the moon. 

 

I wonder if they would do something where a kit builds two of Longfangs/Greyhunters/Bloodclaws and then throw in some options on the new upgrade sprue that builds the third squad. In a same way the Primaris Crusader squad can get shotgun neophytes by adding their upgrade sprue.

 

So, say, the kit builds Grey Hunters and Long Fangs? And then throw some chainswords and wild heads on the upgrade sprue to build Blood Claws.

Edited January 26 by Wispy

[Karhedron]

22 hours ago, Wispy said:

I wonder if they would do something where a kit builds two of Longfangs/Greyhunters/Bloodclaws and then throw in some options on the new upgrade sprue that builds the third squad. In a same way the Primaris Crusader squad can get shotgun neophytes by adding their upgrade sprue.

 

Possibly. My person suspicion is we will see something more like the 3rd/4th edition upgrade sprues. These were used to turn normal Tactical Marines into Grey Hunters and BP/Chainsword squads in Blood Claws.

 

[Bloody Legionnaire]

On 1/20/2024 at 8:35 AM, Bryan Blaire said:

I’m not very hopeful for what GW will do with the Wolves in 10th - the models may look nice, but the rules aren’t in a good place and don’t reflect the Wolves and their methods of doing this well, nor do they allow the narrative around packs well at all without giving your opponent an advantage over you in points.  I hate being a downer this entire Edition, but given what we keep seeing, I doubt that will be changing for me.

 

Ah well, just means I get to keep slow burning on my Drakeslayers without worrying about how poor GW’s game really is, and I save money.

 

IMO, this has been a constant since the 5th edition codex. I've stopped all hobbying with my SWs and can barely bring myself to do hypothetical list musings. I'd like to get them back to a playable army, but at this point I think I'm going to focus on the other collections I have going on. It's a bit sad. Maybe when Russ returns it'll be the spark I need. SWs were my introductory army in this hobby and I do miss what they were. 

Edited February 11 by Bloody Legionnaire