Apokalypsi Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 So GW finally changed CoR to allow players to turn on a saga EACH turn instead of the battle round like before. Now, it by no means makes it competitive still, but I could easily see it showing up more often casually. Those sustained and lethals are very tempting. I see it as a good sign that they realize how inferior it is, so maybe we'll see an even better version in our supplement. What are others' thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I take it as a positive sign that they recognised how bad the Detachment is as it stands. The improvement is better than nothing (but still not great). As you say, hopefully we can hope for something better. More interesting is some changes have been sneaked into the Index. Wulfen Hammers are now S6 and 2D which is definitely an improvement. Apokalypsi, Dark Shepherd and Wolf Guard Dan 1 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 OOH! I didn't see that! Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 8 minutes ago, Karhedron said: I take it as a positive sign that they recognised how bad the Detachment is as it stands. The improvement is better than nothing (but still not great). As you say, hopefully we can hope for something better. More interesting is some changes have been sneaked into the Index. Wulfen Hammers are now S6 and 2D which is definitely an improvement. *falls to knees, rips open front of shirt* JJJUUUUUUUUUUSSSTTIIIIICCCEEEE!!!!!! WrathOfTheLion, Kassill, Apokalypsi and 1 other 1 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) I'm working on a list for CoR now. It's interesting enough I think as it essentially doubles the chances to activate one. Glad they at least acknowledged it and shout out to the half dozen of you going to GT's with CoR, legends all of you Edited February 2 by Kassill Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I’m pleased they tried to address the biggest concerns regarding bespoke SW rules. It’s worth trying the new detachment but I think you’ll really want to tailor your lists to trying to trigger those bonuses. It’s nice that you could potentially get all 4 by the end of BR 2. A list that can trigger those bonuses and still have enough meat of other units to utilize the buffs might be successful. Wulfen still probably not worth it. Good distraction carnifex. 0 OC might be mitigated by the Saga. Would be nice if they had a rule that knocked down enemy OC to 0. They’re an interest screening unit against melee armies now they hit back a little harder. The app says to standby for more detachments. Dark Eldar got one more today and it rewards high level play. My list went up by 60 points. Idk why that happened but thanks GW. lol Kassill 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I think Wulfen are hitty enough to be interesting. At 100 points they can just about clear an MEQ squad on the charge which is pretty much a threshold for combat-effectiveness. At S6, they can even punch to T11 targets with a fighting chance to wound. I agree they are a Distraction Carnifex but at 100 points with a 4++, moderately decent Hammers and fight-on-Death, the opponent won't want them scurrying up a flank to mess with their lighter units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Activation issue with champs of Russ is still the issue. It needs to say character or character unit. It's the worst detachment in game imho Karhedron, DemonGSides and MasterAO 1 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 You get more opportunities to activate but none of the activations are any easier to pull off. They are all highly chancy. Warrior Born is quite hard if either your Character or their is in a unit. You are can't target them or have to be careful the Bodyguard unit doesn't accidentally steal the kill. Characters with Precision are a possibility so Juciciar, Phobos Captain or the Frost Blade Enhancement can work here. Majesty requires getting onto your opponent's home Objective. It is doable with Deep Strike but it means dedicating effort to clearing Objective campers that may not be a priority threat. Bear needs a Character to almost-but-not-quite die which is a pretty narrow operating window and undesirable in any case. Get a Librarian to overcharge Smite in the hope in the hope he fails his hazardous test. Beastslayer is probably the easiest to plan for if you take a TWC Lord with Thunderhammer and Black Death. The problem with all of these apart from Bear is that they are win more mechanics. To activate them means you have already killed an enemy Character, stolen the enemy home Objective or destroyed a vehicle/monster. Those are all things that put you ahead. I prefer the old mechanism where the Saga initially affects just the bearer. Then if they meet the Saga condition it applies more widely (squad perhaps). Maybe the rules should be that every Character can pick a Saga. Wolf Guard Dan and Apokalypsi 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 I completely agree that this makes it easier, but it's still dicey at best. The nice thing is we can throw cheap characters in squads with the WGPLs. 1. Warrior Born definitely needs Judiciar, Frost Blade, Phobos Captain, or Ragnar (who just wipes squads). I think it is the hardest of the 4 to pull off. 2. Majesty I can see being done fairly easily by WGPL either with a jump pack or in TDA. 3. Bear pretty much needs Murderfang, Bjorn, or a TDA character with Wolf Tail. Librarian failing hazardous could work too, but that's gonna be tough. 4. As Karhedron said, Beastslayer should be the easiest to pull off. Thunderwolves or Termies with chainfists are perfect for this. I pray they go back to the old mechanic with the sagas and stratagems aren't related to the sagas. I'd love for the base rule to go back to Sustained 1 army wide, plus the sagas as they are and just change Warrior Born to something else like Fight First or advance and charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 hours ago, Karhedron said: I think Wulfen are hitty enough to be interesting. At 100 points they can just about clear an MEQ squad on the charge which is pretty much a threshold for combat-effectiveness. At S6, they can even punch to T11 targets with a fighting chance to wound. I agree they are a Distraction Carnifex but at 100 points with a 4++, moderately decent Hammers and fight-on-Death, the opponent won't want them scurrying up a flank to mess with their lighter units. Arent they 80 points ? Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 10 minutes ago, lonewolf81 said: Arent they 80 points ? Correct. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) I think wulfen are good now , they are oc 0 and cant get character support , but for 80 pts you 5 toughness, 8" move, 4 attacks str 6 ap-1 dmg 2 and 4+ inv, 6+ fnp, fight on death on 4+ plus the d6 grenade shots. I will definitely add a squad of 5 in my 1000pts gladious list Edited January 31 by lonewolf81 Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 I've run 2x10 packs before and they are fearsome. Only downside is oc 0. The weapon profile I can live with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Seems like they’d be good if used sparingly. One nice sized pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 hours ago, Lord Ragnarok said: Seems like they’d be good if used sparingly. One nice sized pack. I may try two packs of 5. Allows for more screening. Man I didn’t think I’d be considering Wulfen at all this edition. Kassill and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Yeah I'll try 2x5 first and go from there. For 80pts they kill enemy screens and scoring units and seem decently tanky. If my opponent wants to remove them that means less resources to take out my own scoring units. Also I guess they can all take stormfrag so not shabby there either with blast. Lord Ragnarok and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 This is the change guide for all the index changes Wulfen were not the only change for SW They fixed keywords for multiple units (long fangs no longer broken and leaders for old marine keywords updated for new codex) They improved WS for a few characters to 2 Will it matter? Meh... https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NcELdKldijQmVCUS.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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