Rumour Blood Angel Boxset

[Marshal Rohr]

How do you kill off Yarrick and keep Astorath?

[Orange Knight]

Lemartes looks really good. Upgrade sprue is nice, make it easier to put these thematic units together.

 

Astorath is pretty good, not my personal favourite. I like that his face is now easily recognisable as a mask. Maybe his pose is too dynamic for my taste?

[Indy Techwisp]

I'm a little annoyed that right after finally putting together a kitbashed Primaris Jump Chaplain GW release an actual Primaris Jump Chaplain character...

 

Also seems my prediction of "winged jump pack in the upgrade sprue" was wrong. Oh well.

[INKS]

I was looking at old Lemartes and New one. Kind of missing the bone toes. I might take the head / JP/ Weapons from the new one and put them on the old one's body. Might look good that way. I guess we'll see.

 

Astorath.

Pick the wings you like. 

the axe and pose is more or less the same. the body armor is a little different. I like the new.

I didn't like the old scrolls, so I am happy they are gone.

Heads are close to the same but a little different. I like the new head.

Edited July 29 by INKS

[Orange Knight]

On the topic of Lemartes crossing the Rubicon, he might have been used as a test subject before more valuable members of the chapter such as Dante and Mephiston undertook the procedure. 

 

His armour is 100% MkX Tacticus

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, TrawlingCleaner said:

Mephiston now has the Lone Operative Keyword (and loses Leader) but has a 4+ FNP and Fights First. Is he back to flying across the board to torpedo stuff like the days of old?

 

 

Interesting, I was not really expecting Characters to change from their Index iteration. He only has a base move of 7" so will he get his wings back as a psychic power or will be forced to go around on foot? I am guessing the latter as Wings is now a Dreadnought power and works on other units rather than the user. Given how many Hazardous powers he has, the upgrade to a 4+++ is very welcome. The question is how well he now competes with the Sanguinor as a "guided missile" given that the Sanguinor comes with a 12" move base and a jack-in-the-box attack.

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

On the topic of Lemartes crossing the Rubicon, he might have been used as a test subject before more valuable members of the chapter such as Dante and Mephiston undertook the procedure. 

 

His armour is 100% MkX Tacticus

 

But what if they never intended him to cross the Rubricon Primaris and instead right as they got the Primaris Machine warmed up and ready to send the first Blood Angel through Lemartes came barrelling into the chamber convinced that the Tech Priest at the controls was Horus and fell into the machine which then Primaris'd him?

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

3 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

On the topic of Lemartes crossing the Rubicon, he might have been used as a test subject before more valuable members of the chapter such as Dante and Mephiston undertook the procedure. 

 

His armour is 100% MkX Tacticus

 

Mephiston was the first Blood Angel to cross. They didn't even know about the Rubicon process until conveniently the moment they needed it to save Mephiston.

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

But what if they never intended him to cross the Rubricon Primaris and instead right as they got the Primaris Machine warmed up and ready to send the first Blood Angel through Lemartes came barrelling into the chamber convinced that the Tech Priest at the controls was Horus and fell into the machine which then Primaris'd him?

 

Way too many layers of security between Lemartes and where they were conducting the procedure on Mephiston. They were fully prepared to kill Mephiston themselves if something went wrong with the process.

[Evil Eye]

I'll be real, I don't like either of the new characters. Astorath is just a slightly more DyNaMiC version of the existing sculpt complete with tactical rock, rough looking mask and even more excessive wings. Lemartes meanwhile is too different from the previous (godly) sculpt, is trying too hard to be DyNaMiC and losing the stoic awesomeness of the original, and the Primaris jump pack just doesn't look good. Also, ballgag skull helmet is definitely a thing.

 

Upgrade sprues are a swing and a miss with very few interesting pieces, and this release doesn't bode well for the plastic Furioso kit (which sucks because the number of proper box-dreads is getting fewer and fewer) or the Death Company box (which has a ridiculous amount of cool parts).

 

But hey, they're bigger than the old models, so...yay I guess?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

16 minutes ago, INKS said:

Little OT: I think players talk about the crossing a lot because the lore, and in books it makes it sounds very very dangerous to do. There is a big risk involved. That just doesn't and won't translate well to the table top. GW isn't going to kill off a major character this way. "Sorry everyone, there won't be a Lemartes model because he failed to cross properly, you can no longer use him in 10th Ed...." Players would be even more upset if that happened. hehe.

GW has killed off (in a manner of speaking) two major guard characters, one of which was around since 2nd or 3rd edition, so they are willing to remove major characters who are important in the lore and beloved by fans/players.

[Orange Knight]

On 7/29/2024 at 3:45 PM, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

Mephiston was the first Blood Angel to cross. They didn't even know about the Rubicon process until conveniently the moment they needed it to save Mephiston.

 

 

 

I know, I've read the relevant novels.

 

But it's entirely possible that a few shady experiments were authorised on a more fitting subject behind the scenes.

 

"Congratulations Mephiston. You are the first sane member of the Blood Angels to cross the Rubicon Primaris"

 

Also - Darkness in the Blood, great novel!

 

On 7/29/2024 at 3:42 PM, Karhedron said:

 

Interesting, I was not really expecting Characters to change from their Index iteration. He only has a base move of 7" so will he get his wings back as a psychic power or will be forced to go around on foot? I am guessing the latter as Wings is now a Dreadnought power and works on other units rather than the user. Given how many Hazardous powers he has, the upgrade to a 4+++ is very welcome. The question is how well he now competes with the Sanguinor as a "guided missile" given that the Sanguinor comes with a 12" move base and a jack-in-the-box attack.

 

It's a big change, and he might function differently.

 

I suppose he might become more of a support character,  boosting other units around him with psychic powers. Imagine an invul bubble or something similar.

 

Personally I don't like these lone operatives as much as heroes that join units, and I think that both Mephiston and the two loyalist Primarchs should be able to join units and use transports.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

10 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

On the topic of Lemartes crossing the Rubicon, he might have been used as a test subject before more valuable members of the chapter such as Dante and Mephiston undertook the procedure. 

 

His armour is 100% MkX Tacticus

I think it more likely he was a test case to see if crossing the rubicon could cure those already afflicted by the rage.

 

could help keep numbers up for a while as the few remaining first born fall to the rage, survivors of battle could then be subdued in some way rather than executed.

 

hell the fact that 1 person executed every brother who falls to the rage and survive battle means they must have a method of subduing the crazies to put into stasis until astorath arrives already.

[Scribe]

Not the worst resculpt, but the most current metal Lemartes is one of if not THE best (to me its the best) Space Marine sculpt GW ever did, so it was never likely to be improved upon.

[Kryczek]

I had little need to by this box based on the rumor's and the upgrade sprue was what interested me the most but it is rather meh.

 

Astorath is nice but I'll need to see if his wings have some wiggle room.

[Orange Knight]

2 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Not the worst resculpt, but the most current metal Lemartes is one of if not THE best (to me its the best) Space Marine sculpt GW ever did, so it was never likely to be improved upon.

 

Yeah he was great, but this one looks like a better reflection of what Lemartes is.

 

The older model was almost too stoic.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

It's a big change, and he might function differently.

 

I suppose he might become more of a support character,  boosting other units around him with psychic powers. Imagine an invul bubble or something similar.

 

Personally I don't like these lone operatives as much as heroes that join units, and I think that both Mephiston and the two loyalist Primarchs should be able to join units and use transports.

If he’s a support/buffing character via powers, being arguably the most potent space marine psyker I would hope he could buff two units with different buffs, more than one buff per turn at least.

maybe a list of powers, for each phase with a limit of only using 2 per turn.

 

like 

movement-quickening+2” to movement

shooting- touch of sanguinius, reroll wound rolls against infantry

melee-wings of sanguinius +2 to charge rolls

 

[Scribe]

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Yeah he was great, but this one looks like a better reflection of what Lemartes is.

 

The older model was almost too stoic.

 

A reflection of a man who can keep his sanity while afflicted.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

10 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I know, I've read the relevant novels.

 

But it's entirely possible that a few shady experiments were authorised on a more fitting subject behind the scenes.

 

"Congratulations Mephiston. You are the first sane member of the Blood Angels to cross the Rubicon Primaris"

 

Also - Darkness in the Blood, great novel!

 

Problem with that is it's made explicitly clear that Mephiston is the test subject. Dante volunteered, but Rhacelus proposed Mephiston, knowing that the Council would have vetoed Dante. And he told all this to Mephiston after the Council voted. Plus the entire procedure on Mephiston is presented as if it's the first time any of the Blood Angels have seen it performed. There's really no way to wedge Lemartes in there.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Yeah he was great, but this one looks like a better reflection of what Lemartes is.

 

The older model was almost too stoic.

For a generic chaplain it was a solid model, but I definitely don’t think it was anywhere near top 5 sculpts of all time. Maybe too 5 for the era it was released.

[Scribe]

8 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

For a generic chaplain it was a solid model, but I definitely don’t think it was anywhere near top 5 sculpts of all time. Maybe too 5 for the era it was released.

 

I need to see the list of 5 Marines which are better than that model.

[Blindhamster]

51 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I don’t recall anything specific about primaris and the rage, except they didn’t know about it, presumably because they were dying in battle. Beyond that I don’t think they really discuss the primaris and the black rage.

They actually do cover the fact primaris are succumbing to it very early on, and Dante reflects on the fact it means it isn’t a cure afterall

[Nephaston]

I do like what I see. Astorath looks very lean, I wonder if he's now in Phobos. Lemartes is an instant buy for me, even though I don't play BA. Upgrades are a solid improvement over the one before. The article reads like you'll be able to just apply the DC rules to dreadnoughts so it would not need an extra entry in the supplement.

 

Can't wait to see Sanguinor.

 

46 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

Like both models although there is some wonkiness with Lemartes, like he is leaning forward and makes him look a lot smaller, may be a perspective thing.

Sometimes I think some of you are bears, with how you all perceive height and struggle once the stance is outside a norm.

 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Just now, Blindhamster said:

They actually do cover the fact primaris are succumbing to it very early on, and Dante reflects on the fact it means it isn’t a cure afterall

 

Yep, they were aware that Primaris were susceptible to the Rage before Mephiston went under the knife.

[HeadlessCross]

44 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

How do you kill off Yarrick and keep Astorath?

Because we have to keep pretending Blood Angels are special snowflakes and aren't just Marines, otherwise the Blood Angels players might get upset. Nobody cares if Guard players get upset though. 

[Blindhamster]

I like the new lemartes a lot, it’s better than I expected. I’m also a big primaris fan. But even I won’t dispute that old lemartes was one or the best marine sculpts ever and that this one is still arguably not as good (I’ll still get it)