Rumour Blood Angel Boxset

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Alternis said:

Because sometimes when someone is so far gone into the black rage there’s absolutely no using them, they lose all semblance of self and will attack fellow brothers instead of the enemy at this point there’s no doing anything except putting them down. 
 

those who haven’t completely lost it are still useful on the battlefield to discern friend from foe. 
 

see the attached image? That’s literally all you see when you’re beyond help, you look at your brother and that’s all you see. 
 

this is why Astaroth does what he does 

I have a small theory about this. 
 

because DC innately get re-roll hits oath of moments is no use for them. 
I reckon oath of moments give them re-roll wounds instead.

So what happens to those brothers that are so far gone while astorath is several days, or weeks or even a month away?

it’s poorly written lore.

It should just be the sr chaplain or other officer present puts the brother down, or restrains him and puts him into stasis,(and if an individual can’t do it all of the survivors who are sane assist)and it’s up to astorath to decide if they can/should be held in stasis (but if they’re already in stasis or restrained, what’s the point in killing them after the fact?)

 

the writing to shoehorn astorath into the lore was as bad as the writing to introduce the primaris.

Edited August 1 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[DemonGSides]

Tower of Arameo

[Wormwoods]

14 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

Interested to see how a DC detachment will be framed. We don’t have all that many units to use if it’s meant to be entirely death company afterall

I could see it being less Death Company, more Flesh Tearer. It's the detachement you use for a successor chapter or BA company that's 'going through it' and suffering from the flaw severely, even if they're not all wearing black just yet.

 

This won't be the Kroot detachement, at least not to the same extent.

[Tastyfish]

There's a Warhammer+ show on this very topic. It would appear that Astorath is the honourable option and probably a way of the Blood Angels keeping tabs on how often this happens. 

 

The High Chaplain of the Blood Angels arrives to lay a brother to rest, you can record that in the heraldry and include them in your book of deeds. 

Send them to the Tower of Arameo? Record them as Lost/Dead at that point and rest easy knowing that when the times comes it will be merciful or a chance for them to reclaim one moment of glory as part of the Death Company.

Rapidly assembled Kill team sworn to secrecy and led by your senior Chaplain? Expunge all records of this event and strike that marine from ever being including amongst the chapter. 

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

They’re just normal marines but angry.

 

inner circle it makes sense for the chapter’s veterans to have unique enhancements and to utilize special stratagems.

 

it makes no sense for crazies running head first into battle to have bespoke enhancements and stratagems.

They’re just normal marines but angry.

 

inner circle it makes sense for the chapter’s veterans to have unique enhancements and to utilize special stratagems.

 

it makes no sense for crazies running head first into battle to have bespoke enhancements and stratagems.

They're not just "normal Marines but angry", they done gone lost their minds. It's more than anger LOL

 

And yeah they don't get Enhancments, that's for the non-named Characters in your army. And there's plenty of units that shouldn't be targeted by certain strats but are allowed to be targeted anyway in those armies, so are Death Company the worst offender here?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

24 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

They're not just "normal Marines but angry", they done gone lost their minds. It's more than anger LOL

 

And yeah they don't get Enhancments, that's for the non-named Characters in your army. And there's plenty of units that shouldn't be targeted by certain strats but are allowed to be targeted anyway in those armies, so are Death Company the worst offender here?

So your argument is stupid game choices should justify more stupid game choices, rather than things that make sense.

[Wormwoods]

Is there a reason this thread had spawned so much fighting? Are you all suffering from the Black Rage here or what?

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

So your argument is stupid game choices should justify more stupid game choices, rather than things that make sense.

No, because a Nutjob Marine detachment and the leaders dedicated to controlling them on the battlefield makes perfect sense. 

[m0nolith]

That Lemartes model is one of the best Blood Angels modes ever, be it 40k or 30k.

[Alternis]

3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

So what happens to those brothers that are so far gone while astorath is several days, or weeks or even a month away?

it’s poorly written lore.

It should just be the sr chaplain or other officer present puts the brother down, or restrains him and puts him into stasis,(and if an individual can’t do it all of the survivors who are sane assist)and it’s up to astorath to decide if they can/should be held in stasis (but if they’re already in stasis or restrained, what’s the point in killing them after the fact?)

 

the writing to shoehorn astorath into the lore was as bad as the writing to introduce the primaris.

I believe the Angels of Death Prequel animation showcased a good example that answers this question for you in all its glory 

[Nephaston]

3 hours ago, Wormwoods said:

Is there a reason this thread had spawned so much fighting? Are you all suffering from the Black Rage here or what?

Plastic dollies and the stories we make up about them are serious business bordering on holy scripture. That said; my interpretation of dollies is correct and everyone who disagrees is a doodoohead.

[gideon stargreave]

I love the idea of a death company detachment. I can imagine a force of marines willingly performing blood rites and psycho conditioning to deliberately fall to the black rage in last ditch attempts to save relics, break through impossible sieges, rescue crucial assets and more. Or, the black legion attacks a garrison planet, and word must be got to the imperium at large, after weeks of brutal warfare, the survivors start to dream. Lead by a chaplain they begin chanting to lord sanguinius, and manage to buy time for a lone priest to break through with news and gene seed.

[Lord_Ikka]

=}{= Keep the discussion civil. This topic will be locked if the circular arguments and personal comments continue. =][=

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, gideon stargreave said:

I can imagine a force of marines willingly performing blood rites and psycho conditioning to deliberately fall to the black rage

I just don’t see this happening. There’s no coming back and it’s a genuine fear for blood angels.

 

but, there’s been enough incidents of chaos using maguffins to force blood angels to fall en mass that then concept of a DC army isn’t new for those reasons. Or on devastation or baal where the tower was opened and all the remaining death company fought 

[appiah4]

20 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

He is a pretty good model, unlike Astorath IMO.  These details are pretty cool..  And no, he is NOT doing the Wolverine pose (and why I can clearly see the outline of Wolverine's gentialia in the photo above is beyond me..) but he actually probably just landed on the staircase, judging by how the ground has cratered where his feet are planted..  Well thought out figure, I like it quite a lot.  It's better than the 5E one, which I really never liked much - that one always felt like they made a BA chaplain and remembered there was a named character in the 3E codex so just went with it (completely rewriting and :cuss:ting on the character's lore and in the process, but that is par for the course for GW..)

Edited August 1 by Xenith
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[Alby the Slayer]

Anyhow....

 

What do you guys think about the box cover art?

 

 

I don't know if it's new, I think it is. 

 

I like it, even If I am not a fan of the DC marine on left, primarly because the head seems to be a little too high and weird and the chainsword a bit little?

 

I would prefer to see more DC with chainswords up head in the front but the scene is very cool, love the banner bearer and the background behind.

Edited August 1 by Alby the Slayer

[Blindhamster]

The new art is good, I like the black and white design with just the splashes of red. Very stylised 

[ThaneOfTas]

27 minutes ago, Alby the Slayer said:

What do you guys think about the box cover art?

You know what, yeah, I actually really like it, same with the cover of the LE codex. Not enough for me to buy the box but I have zero complaints about either of those aspects.

[Blindhamster]

Yeah the art from the codex is a fairly classic piece of art at this point, and a favourite of mine

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

I hope we get some classic Relics/Enhancements. I loved The Angel's Wing (re-roll charge & no overwatch).

[Xenith]

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[Blindhamster]

Interested to know when the pre orders will be 

[Alternis]

36 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I hope we get some classic Relics/Enhancements. I loved The Angel's Wing (re-roll charge & no overwatch).

On God Emperor! 
That’s exactly what’s needed! 
 

but looking at the fact Dante now buffs the unit with +1 to advance AND charge rolls, makes me think the jump pack detachment may have Advance & charge built into it, making Dante a mediocre chapter master, into one that’s really reliable to get into charge range

12” + D6+1” + 2D6+1”

 

 

Horus will rue the day!

[Kharn13]

2 hours ago, Alby the Slayer said:

Anyhow....

 

What do you guys think about the box cover art?

 

 

I don't know if it's new, I think it is. 

 

I like it, even If I am not a fan of the DC marine on left, primarly because the head seems to be a little too high and weird and the chainsword a bit little?

 

I would prefer to see more DC with chainswords up head in the front but the scene is very cool, love the banner bearer and the background behind.

I really like the box art - very Sin City! Might have to do a test model…

 

[DemonGSides]

31 minutes ago, Alternis said:

On God Emperor! 
That’s exactly what’s needed! 
 

but looking at the fact Dante now buffs the unit with +1 to advance AND charge rolls, makes me think the jump pack detachment may have Advance & charge built into it, making Dante a mediocre chapter master, into one that’s really reliable to get into charge range

12” + D6+1” + 2D6+1”

 

 

Horus will rue the day!

 

They just dont want Dante to be good and I don't understand why. He's always so middling. 

Edited August 1 by DemonGSides