Rumour Blood Angel Boxset

[Alternis]

We need more golden host damn it! 

 

GW need to hurry up with the reveals! Give me my Sanguinary Guard and Sanguinor! 

[Blindhamster]

Probably going to develop a twitch waiting tbh lol

[crimsondave]

6 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

I will always die on the hill that Phil Kelly was easily the worst codex and lore writer and the neckbeards only like him because he's been there for awhile. 

 

I'm a homer so I love just about all the Dark Angels books.  War of Secrets was easily the biggest load of garbage I've ever read for DAs.  It was a friggin Tau book as much (or more) than marines.

 

They haven't dropped a high demand, fast cash grab box lately.  I wonder if they will push the BA stuff out a little quicker.

Edited August 1 by crimsondave

[ZeroWolf]

10 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

 

I'm a homer so I love just about all the Dark Angels books.  War of Secrets was easily the biggest load of garbage I've ever read for DAs.  It was a friggin Tau book as much (or more) than marines.

 

They haven't dropped a high demand, fast cash grab box lately.  I wonder if they will push the BA stuff out a little quicker.

They're releasing three soon enough with the three Imperial Agents boxsets. Means in the space of a month (give or take) 40k will have had four limited boxsets drops

[crimsondave]

12 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

They're releasing three soon enough with the three Imperial Agents boxsets. Means in the space of a month (give or take) 40k will have had four limited boxsets drops

 

I'm not convinced the IA boxes are gonna sell very well.  We'll see.  I'm buying the codex hoping for some new fluff.

Edited August 1 by crimsondave

[MithrilForge]

41 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

 

I'm a homer so I love just about all the Dark Angels books.  War of Secrets was easily the biggest load of garbage I've ever read for DAs.  It was a friggin Tau book as much (or more) than marines.

 

They haven't dropped a high demand, fast cash grab box lately.  I wonder if they will push the BA stuff out a little quicker.

 

@crimsondave- Woah!! , May I ask as I'm more of a T'AU Fan nowadays than I am a marine fan ,is this book more likely for me ....?? I glance past marine novels now so didn't realise this was T'AU Flavoured 

 

thanks in advance for any answers...

 

Cheers, Mithril    

[crimsondave]

7 minutes ago, MithrilForge said:

 

@crimsondave- Woah!! , May I ask as I'm more of a T'AU Fan nowadays than I am a marine fan ,is this book more likely for me ....?? I glance past marine novels now so didn't realise this was T'AU Flavoured 

 

thanks in advance for any answers...

 

Cheers, Mithril    

 

 

It's still BAD.  GIve it a try if you like but it's just a cringe book imo.

[MithrilForge]

2 hours ago, crimsondave said:

 

 

It's still BAD.  GIve it a try if you like but it's just a cringe book imo.

Thanks, Hey if a book has T'au killing marines...then I'm in ...

[sitnam]

56 minutes ago, MithrilForge said:

Thanks, Hey if a book has T'au killing marines...then I'm in ...

It’s bad frater, and it doesn’t do the T’au justice. 
 

If you don’t mind being an Antagonist, Longshot made the T’au interesting imo

[MithrilForge]

46 minutes ago, sitnam said:

It’s bad frater, and it doesn’t do the T’au justice. 
 

If you don’t mind being an Antagonist, Longshot made the T’au interesting imo

Thanks for the heads up, I am actually reading Longshot right now  

I guess I'll look at war of secrets if I see it at a Op shop for $3.00 or similar... 

 

Cheers, Mithril

[Arkangilos]

On 7/31/2024 at 1:10 PM, DemonGSides said:

Tower of Arameo, or the Tower of the Lost.

 

Dante let loose these brothers to a fantastic ending against the Tyranids during the Devastation of Baal.

It’s been a while, but I am fairly certain the Tower of Arameo is for the thirst, not the rage, and that those who were let loose in DoB were those who fell to the thirst. 
 

Previously it was the thirst, not the rage, that made the death company dangerous to the point of needing to be killed (because the Rage made them think they were Sanguinius, and the Thirst that made them kill indiscriminately). 
 

Before Astorath, they were killed as necessarily by the chaplains if they survived the battle. But there was also the option to lock them up, and they did do that even if they were so far gone they would kill everyone. That’s when the whole detachments were used, when they wanted to just break everything.

 

Now it’s one guy that does it when anyone falls. The lore in the codex at least explicitly stated that he would know anytime anyone fell by foreknowledge, would show up, and then would execute everyone (DC) that survived. 
 

The tower was retained for the thirst.

[DemonGSides]

11 minutes ago, Arkangilos said:

It’s been a while, but I am fairly certain the Tower of Arameo is for the thirst, not the rage, and that those who were let loose in DoB were those who fell to the thirst. 
 

Previously it was the thirst, not the rage, that made the death company dangerous to the point of needing to be killed (because the Rage made them think they were Sanguinius, and the Thirst that made them kill indiscriminately). 
 

Before Astorath, they were killed as necessarily by the chaplains if they survived the battle. But there was also the option to lock them up, and they did do that even if they were so far gone they would kill everyone. That’s when the whole detachments were used, when they wanted to just break everything.

 

Now it’s one guy that does it when anyone falls. The lore in the codex at least explicitly stated that he would know anytime anyone fell by foreknowledge, would show up, and then would execute everyone (DC) that survived. 
 

The tower was retained for the thirst.

 

The Tower of Arameo is known to house brothers who've fallen to the Black Rage who survive and then start ALSO suffering from the Thirst while within the throes of the Black Rage, as well as those too far gone in the Red Thirst but not just immediately put down.

To wit;

 

"The fate of those unfortunates overtaken completely by the Red Thirst is known only to the Chapter itself. There are tales of a secret chamber atop the Tower of Amareo on Baal, and of howling cries that demand the blood of the living, but none are willing to say for certain what secrets lie hidden in this haunted, desolate place. " (pg 13, 8th ed Codex)

 

"Yet as with all such glories, a price must be paid – either on the bloody ground of the battlefield, or in the fleeting calm of victory. Those few members of the Death Company that survive the battle perish shortly afterwards, either of their fearsome wounds or through the mercy of the Redeemer of the Lost, whose duty it is to end their suffering. It is better this way, for those who do survive almost always fall victim to the Red Thirst, turning into creatures no better than wild beasts craving flesh and blood. The dread Tower of Amareo on Baal echoes with the howls and roars of these luckless degenerates, locked away for their own safety and that of their former battle-brothers. Better by far to die cleanly and quickly than to suffer such an ignoble fate." (Pg 37, 8th ed Codex)

 

I also found (From a similar thread) online that in Devastation of Baal there is the distinction of the "DUNGEONS" of Arameo, that are basically under the Tower, that are for Black Rage sufferers.  So it seems like the Tower of the Lost/Arameo is mostly just "The place we put the guys we are embarrassed of."

 

[MadGreek]

On 7/31/2024 at 10:53 AM, Arkangilos said:

I would agree with this if they didn’t make Astorath a thing where he kills them after battle. Entire detachments would work even if whole forces didn’t fall just by the fact that they could collect them from all over and send them as a massive wave. However, with Astorath going around executing them all it doesn’t work.

 

It’s actually the big reason I don’t like Astorath.

 

I agree in that I don't like Astorath as a single individual that roams the galaxy culling DC from all successor chapters. I would prefer the position of High Chaplain be a generic "Character" that ALL successors have, with same stats and abilities. When you become your chapters High Chaplain you get the mask and the title of Redeemer of the Lost. Make it a billet vice an individual.

[Wormwoods]

11 minutes ago, MadGreek said:

I agree in that I don't like Astorath as a single individual that roams the galaxy culling DC from all successor chapters. I would prefer the position of High Chaplain be a generic "Character" that ALL successors have, with same stats and abilities. When you become your chapters High Chaplain you get the mask and the title of Redeemer of the Lost. Make it a billet vice an individual.

I also think we should move away from named 'there's one of this dude in the universe' characters! If I got to be James Workshop for a day I would push all the primarchs and special characters into the plastic-chipper and roll out the 'this is like a weird Captain but costs more'-ification of all of them. 

[Xenith]

20 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

They just dont want Dante to be good and I don't understand why. He's always so middling. 

 

I mean, the Blood Angels can't have the best (loyalist) lore, best colour scheme, best rules and best characters right? Dante's an amazing tactician, however I accept they have to make differences between chapter masters, so I'd be ok for him to be be a buff machine and beatstick. Chapter masters in general should probably always give +1CP at a minimum though.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

5 hours ago, MithrilForge said:

Thanks for the heads up, I am actually reading Longshot right now  

I guess I'll look at war of secrets if I see it at a Op shop for $3.00 or similar... 

I'll chime in and say I didn't find War of Secrets as bad as these brothers are saying. I quite enjoyed it. I'm primarily a marine fan but I enjoyed it. Maybe because I'm not as well versed in Dark Angel or T'au lore as I am Blood Angel lore, it meant I wasn't "offended" by the books contents.

 

4 hours ago, MadGreek said:

I agree in that I don't like Astorath as a single individual that roams the galaxy culling DC from all successor chapters. I would prefer the position of High Chaplain be a generic "Character" that ALL successors have, with same stats and abilities. When you become your chapters High Chaplain you get the mask and the title of Redeemer of the Lost. Make it a billet vice an individual.

As I understand it from Astorath's books, he's not going around killling ALL the brothers of the blood who have fallen to the black. He's going around cleaning up messes, like brothers who have fallen to the Black rage and are now loose in a hive or are rampaging across an agri world. Time sensitive messes, lest the legion's secret be discovered. He has a latent psychic ability that allows him to track brothers who have fallen. So no he's not going around being a headsman for chapters who have their fallen brothers in chains, he's going around basically being a detective and catching LOOSE fallen brothers. 

[apologist]

6 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

As I understand it from Astorath's books, he's not going around killling ALL the brothers of the blood who have fallen to the black. He's going around cleaning up messes, like brothers who have fallen to the Black rage and are now loose in a hive or are rampaging across an agri world. Time sensitive messes, lest the legion's secret be discovered. He has a latent psychic ability that allows him to track brothers who have fallen. So no he's not going around being a headsman for chapters who have their fallen brothers in chains, he's going around basically being a detective and catching LOOSE fallen brothers. 

 

Ah..! Thanks for explaining things. That concept I like a lot better than the galaxy-wide executioner-of-all idea, and is more in line with what I think Special Characters should be – unusual individuals with unique twists, rather than archetypes. Tycho is a good example of the former, Dante a good example of the latter.

 

Model-wise, I'm not convinced. The over-the-head pose of the weapon highlights the awkwardness of Space Marine armour, though the details are lovely. The mask, however, is a swing and a miss for me. Was the old model also a mask? I had assumed it was his actual face.   

 

On the announcements more generally, I like the look of the new Chaplain... *checks notes* Lemartes. He wasn't a character I find especially compelling (how many special characters do we need who have fallen to/are affected by/have overcome the Black Rage, after all?) The model, however, is great. Some nice nods back to the 2nd edition Chaplain that came with the original Death Company, and the predatory pose marks him as a Blood Angel to me far more than piles of extraneous detailing.

 

The upgrade sprue seems a bit thin. It'd have been nice to have seen some more creativity. The oddly broken-up nature of GW's models seems tailor-made for specific replacement armour plates; a shin or breastplate here or there with Death Company saltires, armour with inlaid detail or the BA's sculpted musculature would have been a lovely way to showcase the more contemplative, aesthetic side of the Angels. 

 

As it stands, the sprue is... functional. A pale shadow of the Black Templars equivalent, which to me is the high watermark of recent upgrade sprues. Banners, unique wargear, a couple of unique and distinctive helmets, a vehicle upgrade, and enough scout arms to make a unique variant unit type – and that's on top of all we're seeing here in the Blood Angels equivalent.  A Death Mask-style helmet, hand with a grail, a unique ammo cherub, and some nods to classic old art or models (say, a skull-encrusted scabbard for a Terminator Captain; an underslung forearm amounted weapon like the Epic 40,000 cover; or the head from 2nd edition 40k cover) would have been great.

[Emperor Ming]

11 hours ago, crimsondave said:

 

I'm not convinced the IA boxes are gonna sell very well.  We'll see.  I'm buying the codex hoping for some new fluff.

Same, normally I would have said the cortez one would be a sellout,

 

But even as an inq player I wont be buying it. 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

8 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

11 hours ago, crimsondave said:

I'm not convinced the IA boxes are gonna sell very well.  We'll see.  I'm buying the codex hoping for some new fluff.

Same, normally I would have said the cortez one would be a sellout,

 

But even as an inq player I wont be buying it. 

They missed a low effort opportunity to make an upgrade sprue for the new Cadians to make them inquisitorial storm troopers. That would have doubled sales of those boxes imo.

[appiah4]

22 hours ago, Emperor Ming said:

Dc detachment would fit with the current lore, 

 

all of the surviving brothers were made death company during the devastation of Baal

DC detachment has been a thing since the rules for a DC army were published in White Dwarf in the 3E days.

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

1 hour ago, appiah4 said:

DC detachment has been a thing since the rules for a DC army were published in White Dwarf in the 3E days.

 

Which WD had rules for a DC army in 3rd ed? Not #168, that I know for sure.

[phandaal]

4 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I'll chime in and say I didn't find War of Secrets as bad as these brothers are saying. I quite enjoyed it. I'm primarily a marine fan but I enjoyed it. Maybe because I'm not as well versed in Dark Angel or T'au lore as I am Blood Angel lore, it meant I wasn't "offended" by the books contents.

 

Think of it this way - what Phil did to the Dark Angels would be like Dante cutting a deal with the Tau to get Tau battlesuits into the heart of the Carmine Blades' fortress-monastery to wreak havoc, in exchange for the Tau helping Dante steal civilians from the Carmine Blades' home world for the Blood Angels to exsanguinate.

 

It was so dumb and out of character that it is less "offensive" and more "this got published?" Many people just ignore it as part of the canon.

 

Anyway, this is not a bitch about Phil thread. Carry on!

[Sky Potato]

27 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

Think of it this way - what Phil did to the Dark Angels would be like Dante cutting a deal with the Tau to get Tau battlesuits into the heart of the Carmine Blades' fortress-monastery to wreak havoc, in exchange for the Tau helping Dante steal civilians from the Carmine Blades' home world for the Blood Angels to exsanguinate.

 

It was so dumb and out of character that it is less "offensive" and more "this got published?" Many people just ignore it as part of the canon.

 

Anyway, this is not a bitch about Phil thread. Carry on!

Any worse than Dante forging an alliance with the Necrons?

 

4 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

As I understand it from Astorath's books, he's not going around killling ALL the brothers of the blood who have fallen to the black. He's going around cleaning up messes, like brothers who have fallen to the Black rage and are now loose in a hive or are rampaging across an agri world. Time sensitive messes, lest the legion's secret be discovered. He has a latent psychic ability that allows him to track brothers who have fallen. So no he's not going around being a headsman for chapters who have their fallen brothers in chains, he's going around basically being a detective and catching LOOSE fallen brothers. 

Yeah, Astorath isn’t going around specifically hunting brothers who have fallen to the Black Rage. He’s going around covering up loose ends to make sure that nobody finds out about the Black Rage in the first place. Admittedly, most of the covering up is killing the afflicted, but he’s there to hide the chapters secret.
 

Remember, from the Imperiums point of view, the Blood Angels are effectively Codex Compliant - far more so than some of the other First Founding Chapters. Outwardly, the only real deviance the Blood Angels have from the codex is the Sanguinary Guard, the Sanguinary Priesthood, and Company and Squad markings. Compare that to the 7 companies of the Salamanders and the Iron Council of the Iron Hands.

[jaxom]

6 minutes ago, Sky Potato said:

Outwardly, the only real deviance the Blood Angels have from the codex is the Sanguinary Guard, the Sanguinary Priesthood, and Company and Squad markings.

None of those are actually non-compliant with the Codex. It’s unusual for the Apothecarion to be involved in chapter leadership, but they are technically part of every chapter’s command level. Similarly, honor guards are also allowed in the Codex.

[Sky Potato]

Yeah, the Sanguinary Priests and Guard do have analogues in the Codex, true.