Rumour Blood Angel Boxset

[Blindhamster]

Yeah you’re likely correct, particularly as they’re specifically meant to be Dante’s honour guard, I was just pondering what they could maybe do that would result in a new unit with limited need for a new kit (so they could remove tycho!!)

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

13 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I'll chime in and say I didn't find War of Secrets as bad as these brothers are saying. I quite enjoyed it. I'm primarily a marine fan but I enjoyed it. Maybe because I'm not as well versed in Dark Angel or T'au lore as I am Blood Angel lore, it meant I wasn't "offended" by the books contents.

 

As I understand it from Astorath's books, he's not going around killling ALL the brothers of the blood who have fallen to the black. He's going around cleaning up messes, like brothers who have fallen to the Black rage and are now loose in a hive or are rampaging across an agri world. Time sensitive messes, lest the legion's secret be discovered. He has a latent psychic ability that allows him to track brothers who have fallen. So no he's not going around being a headsman for chapters who have their fallen brothers in chains, he's going around basically being a detective and catching LOOSE fallen brothers. 

That might be a retcon, I’d have to look back in the older codexes but I’m pretty sure they said he killed all brothers who fell for all chapters in one way or another.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Alternis said:

Well 18 datasheets in the supplement 

 

which means for some god emperor forsaken reason, TYCHO IS STILL IN THERE! WHY?! 

We don’t know he will be.

could be removed and replaced with a specific datasheet for the BA TDA captain that’s rumored to be coming.

[Blindhamster]

5 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

That might be a retcon, I’d have to look back in the older codexes but I’m pretty sure they said he killed all brothers who fell for all chapters in one way or another.

the astorath short does have it as him having a unique ship and latent abilities to sense those that fell to the black rage. That particular story has him go to perform a cleanup operation on one such marine.

 

i think you’re correct that at one point it was all, but that was dumb and the presentation in the newer story works much better as an interesting character - he also hates the role, he just recognises that it’s necessary 

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

We don’t know he will be.

could be removed and replaced with a specific datasheet for the BA TDA captain that’s rumored to be coming.

That’d be really cool. Or maybe just a generic Death Company Hero.

[DemonGSides]

3 minutes ago, jaxom said:

That’d be really cool. Or maybe just a generic Death Company Hero.

 

I'd expect any sort of Death Company detatchment to maybe have an enhancement or two to add black rage to a cap or a LT.

[Bash]

8 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I'd expect any sort of Death Company detatchment to maybe have an enhancement or two to add black rage to a cap or a LT.

 

Yeah this is a great idea for Enhancements for that detachment. I'm not sure what other things would really make sense for it otherwise besides a couple of cool Chaplain relics. 

I wonder also if they are going to have that detachment be a generic "your entire army is in the grip of the Black Rage" thing, where all your dudes get a 6+++ and your DC get some extra boost. It works that way for Kroot in the Tau codex, whereby they are priced around having the Kroot detachment and are fairly lacklustre outside of it. It's a minor concern in the back of my mind. 

I also think the DC detachment will bring back the Visions of Sanguinius as stratagems though. That'd be very cool. 

[Doghouse]

I tend to find these releases a bit of an [INSERT CHAPTER NAME HERE] with the same old models but the bare heads on these are actually really nice and Lemartes looks great. If I were to do modern 40k marines I'd probably start with this set.

[TheMawr]

Regarding the 18 datasheets and unexpected units remaining :

 

"The brand new Codex Supplement: Blood Angels will be available in this box first, featuring an exclusive cover, and you’ll also get a set of datacards covering all 18 datasheets in the book. Alongside the new and updated units, there are Detachments expanding on the options found in Codex: Space Marines. "

 

I might read too much into it, but they talk about new units, there are no new Blood angel units shown or rumored so far, only updated ones. Thus I wonder if the 3man Sanguary guard are not an update to the excisting ones (yet) but something new that exists beside the existing ones.

 

Another option is when I look at this :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/14/sunday-preview-deathwing-assault/

they say "The box also contains Codex Supplement: Dark Angels, a 96-page book containing the rules and background for the Dark Angels, and featuring a unique cover. You also get 20 datasheet cards covering every unit in the Codex Supplement"

 

However, Dark angels do not have 20 unique units, they have 16. So its possible they call the 3 detachment and 1 army card also datasheet cards, as they did so before.

This could mean there are only 14 unit datasheets for Blood angels remaining.

 

It could also be a possibility its a hybrid of both the above.

[Vardus]

52 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

Regarding the 18 datasheets and unexpected units remaining :

 

"The brand new Codex Supplement: Blood Angels will be available in this box first, featuring an exclusive cover, and you’ll also get a set of datacards covering all 18 datasheets in the book. Alongside the new and updated units, there are Detachments expanding on the options found in Codex: Space Marines. "

 

I might read too much into it, but they talk about new units, there are no new Blood angel units shown or rumored so far, only updated ones. Thus I wonder if the 3man Sanguary guard are not an update to the excisting ones (yet) but something new that exists beside the existing ones.

 

Another option is when I look at this :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/14/sunday-preview-deathwing-assault/

they say "The box also contains Codex Supplement: Dark Angels, a 96-page book containing the rules and background for the Dark Angels, and featuring a unique cover. You also get 20 datasheet cards covering every unit in the Codex Supplement"

 

However, Dark angels do not have 20 unique units, they have 16. So its possible they call the 3 detachment and 1 army card also datasheet cards, as they did so before.

This could mean there are only 14 unit datasheets for Blood angels remaining.

 

It could also be a possibility its a hybrid of both the above.

 

With regards to the number of datasheets each release has had 1 army rule card, X number of insert codex name cards and then X number of combat patrol cards. So we may be losing more datasheets than we think if 18 includes Combat and Codex datasheets and if that includes the Army rule card as well that could be quite a few lost to the Black Rage!

 

Edit; As an example lets say the combat patrol has 3 units and a character, that's 4 data cards to come off the 18, if we have the Army card in the 18 that only leaves 13 Codex datasheets!

Edited August 3 by Vardus

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

59 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

Regarding the 18 datasheets and unexpected units remaining :

 

"The brand new Codex Supplement: Blood Angels will be available in this box first, featuring an exclusive cover, and you’ll also get a set of datacards covering all 18 datasheets in the book. Alongside the new and updated units, there are Detachments expanding on the options found in Codex: Space Marines. "

 

I might read too much into it, but they talk about new units, there are no new Blood angel units shown or rumored so far, only updated ones. Thus I wonder if the 3man Sanguary guard are not an update to the excisting ones (yet) but something new that exists beside the existing ones.

 

Another option is when I look at this :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/14/sunday-preview-deathwing-assault/

they say "The box also contains Codex Supplement: Dark Angels, a 96-page book containing the rules and background for the Dark Angels, and featuring a unique cover. You also get 20 datasheet cards covering every unit in the Codex Supplement"

 

However, Dark angels do not have 20 unique units, they have 16. So its possible they call the 3 detachment and 1 army card also datasheet cards, as they did so before.

This could mean there are only 14 unit datasheets for Blood angels remaining.

 

It could also be a possibility its a hybrid of both the above.

I would prefer to see the rumored 3 man SG be true, with a return of the honor guard.

limiting the SG to epic heros, while the HG would be able to go with any HQ unit as a 5 man squad.

[VanDutch]

Fools hope, but maybe ‘new’ could mean a separate datasheet for the DC Brutalis.

 

Yeah ok, I’ve had one too many beers tonight…

Edited August 3 by VanDutch

[DemonGSides]

40 minutes ago, Vardus said:

 

With regards to the number of datasheets each release has had 1 army rule card, X number of insert codex name cards and then X number of combat patrol cards. So we may be losing more datasheets than we think if 18 includes Combat and Codex datasheets and if that includes the Army rule card as well that could be quite a few lost to the Black Rage!

 

Edit; As an example lets say the combat patrol has 3 units and a character, that's 4 data cards to come off the 18, if we have the Army card in the 18 that only leaves 13 Codex datasheets!

 

Yeah after looking over a set of the DA cards I actually think you're right.

 

This might be more of a culling than anticipated. Oof. 

[VanDutch]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Yeah after looking over a set of the DA cards I actually think you're right.

 

This might be more of a culling than anticipated. Oof. 

This makes me very nervous for the Sanguinary Priest

[Mogger351]

8 minutes ago, VanDutch said:

This makes me very nervous for the Sanguinary Priest

I believe you mean the [chapter] primaris apothecary? /s

[Unbreakable]

7 minutes ago, VanDutch said:

This makes me very nervous for the Sanguinary Priest

Any rumours of this getting an updated model? I notice it’s marked “sold out online” on the GW store which generally means it’s not getting a restock?

[Alternis]

19 minutes ago, Unbreakable said:

Any rumours of this getting an updated model? I notice it’s marked “sold out online” on the GW store which generally means it’s not getting a restock?

There’s been no rumours at all. 
 

so could be going away. 
 

however GW is saying there’s more to be revealed for BA so it’s not completely off the cards yet. 
 

They said more Red & Gold.

 

[jimbo1701]

Valrak is almost always on the money with releases and he thinks that sanguinary guard, sanguinor and a (unrelated to the release, ?wh+)  captain are coming out. 
 

In order of most to least likely:

 

1. Dante

2. mephiston

3. death company with jump packs 

4. death company 

5. Lemartes 

6. astorath

7. death company dreadnought

8. sanguinary guard

9. sanguinor

10. Seth 

11. Baal predator 

12. Corbulo 

13. Sanguinary priest 

14. Tycho

15. Tycho the lost 

16. sanguinary priest with jump pack 

17. Librarian dreadnought

18. furioso dreadnought. 

The assumptions being that dead characters or characters with old models / no model least likely to carry over and old death company / boxnaughts going away. Plus that the dc dread will retain its own datasheet rules wise. Unsure what would happen to the glorious humpback chaplain. No rumors for it but I would love a sanguinary priest / corbulo dual build in the same vain as the dark angel captain / Lazarus. 

Edited August 3 by jimbo1701

[Nephaston]

Chances are they're able to give Corbulo the Lazarus treatment (maybe even the captain if it turns out to be Karlaen)

But in that case I need everyone to be conscious of the fact that a new Sanguinary priest probably isn't going to look like this:

Spoiler

 

But more like this:

Spoiler

 

And I need a good chunk of you to breath in, calm down, and not go on another tangent on how GW is ruining the Blood Angels aesthetic. Or complain about Stormcast once they reveal Sanguinary Guard.

Edited August 3 by Nephaston

[Blindhamster]

I believe valrak said there is BOTH a captain and a terminator coming, the latter is part of Warhammer+ rather than a character represented specifically in the codex.

 

 

[Nephaston]

2 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

I believe valrak said there is BOTH a captain and a terminator coming, the latter is part of Warhammer+ rather than a character represented specifically in the codex.

Interesting, so chances are the captain is a power armour one.

That would open it up to be either memberberries supreme, memberberries jr., or Gabriel Seth with the Lazarus treatment.

Spoiler

 

My character shelf is gonna start bending under the weight of new plastic if any of that is the case.

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

Chances are they're able to give Corbulo the Lazarus treatment (maybe even the captain if it turns out to be Karlaen)

But in that case I need everyone to be conscious of the fact that a new Sanguinary priest probably isn't going to look like this:

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But more like this:

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And I need a good chunk of you to breath in, calm down, and not go on another tangent on how GW is ruining the Blood Angels aesthetic. Or complain about Stormcast once they reveal Sanguinary Guard.

 

No way we get two more characters in this release (Sanguinor is a given at this point with the rumors). I expect Corbulo to stay, SP with JP to be gone, and Corbulo to be out version of DA Sammael; conveniently forgotten to be a model to be replaced in 11th. 

[Nephaston]

21 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

No way we get two more characters in this release (Sanguinor is a given at this point with the rumors). I expect Corbulo to stay, SP with JP to be gone, and Corbulo to be out version of DA Sammael; conveniently forgotten to be a model to be replaced in 11th. 

Maybe, but if we're being technical they'll probably aim for relative parity in size for the wave between DA and BA; DA had 1 upgrade kit, two characters, and two infantry kits (one 3-man, one 5-man), while BA so far we've seen one upgrade, and two characters. Sanguinary Guard are allegedly moving to 3-man size, so unless we all somehow evaluate 1 sanguinor that will be a one time purchase per customer, to a 5-man kit which will absolutely be bought multiple times it doesn't quite match.

 

Now of course any expectation of parity could just be me huffing unnecessary amounts of hopium.

[ThaneOfTas]

2 hours ago, Nephaston said:

And I need a good chunk of you to breath in, calm down, and not go on another tangent on how GW is ruining the Blood Angels aesthetic

Why not? If we feel that way why shouldn't we?

[DemonGSides]

35 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Maybe, but if we're being technical they'll probably aim for relative parity in size for the wave between DA and BA; DA had 1 upgrade kit, two characters, and two infantry kits (one 3-man, one 5-man), while BA so far we've seen one upgrade, and two characters. Sanguinary Guard are allegedly moving to 3-man size, so unless we all somehow evaluate 1 sanguinor that will be a one time purchase per customer, to a 5-man kit which will absolutely be bought multiple times it doesn't quite match.

 

Now of course any expectation of parity could just be me huffing unnecessary amounts of hopium.

 

I'm with you in hope, but the Sanguinor I think is more analogous to The Lion, who wasn't TECHNICALLY part of this update but is probably close enough qualify.

 

I would be interested in a wholly new unit, but I just have no idea what it could possibly be and we have so many non-squad specialist units that I'm not sure what would be the equivalent (and I have a feeling the DC Dread is gonna be one of their "Hey! It counts as your 5 man squad!").

 

Everything up has had it's down (Astorath and Lemartes coming out cool, upgrade sprue is a bummer), so maybe we are due for some good again lol