Rumour Blood Angel Boxset

[Nephaston]

30 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

Why not? If we feel that way why shouldn't we?

Mostly because we kinda already had that in the thread just for Lemartes alone, and it might be more productive in it's own thread. This is a relatively free forum though so don't let me prevent you from airing your grievances.

 

23 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I would be interested in a wholly new unit, but I just have no idea what it could possibly be and we have so many non-squad specialist units that I'm not sure what would be the equivalent

That's kind of the issue with Blood Angels I guess; out of all the "non-codex-compliant" chapters they are actually the most compliant. So much so I would say "non-compliant" is a misnomer in their case. It's just that they don't do much different from "standard unit but with extra bling, one piece of different gear, or painted black with extra chop".

[DemonGSides]

2 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Mostly because we kinda already had that in the thread just for Lemartes alone, and it might be more productive in it's own thread. This is a relatively free forum though so don't let me prevent you from airing your grievances.

 

That's kind of the issue with Blood Angels I guess; out of all the "non-codex-compliant" chapters they are actually the most compliant. So much so I would say "non-compliant" is a misnomer in their case. It's just that they don't do much different from "standard unit but with extra bling, one piece of different gear, or painted black with extra chop".

Which I'm fine with, just give us the bling back. I don't mind being most compliant if we can get a BA Intercessor kit like the BA tactical kit if old.

 

Maybe BA assault termies again too. I love those guys, wish they weren't so small compared to current termies. 

[Nephaston]

12 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

Which I'm fine with, just give us the bling back. I don't mind being most compliant if we can get a BA Intercessor kit like the BA tactical kit if old.

 

Maybe BA assault termies again too. I love those guys, wish they weren't so small compared to current termies. 

Fine by me as long as they don't do the thing where an option that really should be ubiquitous is only found on that specific kit, like terminator ancients.

Speaking of Terminators, with how they did the new kit it really seems made to have dedicated upgrade kits. I mean just look at those third party bits.

Spoiler

 

I would really hope for the same amount of upgradeability for regular power armour units, but I feel that would require them rejigging the whole lineup to work like horus heresy (so it's not 10 different tacticus kits per unit, but 1 box of tacticus with a separate upgrade kit) and like terminators (separate standardized armour panels like shin, chests, tassets, that can feasibly go on every marine) simultaneously. It is doable, but chances are it would take a handful of years.

 

Or they just do chapter specific intercessors so we end up with 4 types of tacticus bolt rifle intercessors, which would not help with the annoyance factor of marine kit glut.

[Karhedron]

8 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

I expect Corbulo to stay, SP with JP to be gone, and Corbulo to be out version of DA Sammael; conveniently forgotten to be a model to be replaced in 11th. 

 

I really hope the Jump SP does not disappear. He really turns my VanVets from good into great.

[Blindhamster]

If it’s accurate that the DA datasheet count includes the detachments and combat patrol stuff, it would be a pretty huge cull to go down to 18 including those things.

 

our combat patrol is made up of 5 datasheets as it is currently. I’m not sure how concerned about it all I actually am, I’ve mostly avoided the firstborn units since primaris came out anyway, but I know for many it would be a huge and frustrating blow.

 

We know mephiston, Dante, lemartes, astorath, “death company marines” are safe.

 

based on rumours we believe sanguinary guard and sanguinor are also safe. 
 

presumably death company dreadnought and death company marines with jump packs will also be a thing.

 

that would make 9 things. 
 

Only other rumoured kit for the release is a captain (not including the terminator as rumour has that tied to Warhammer plus, rather than codex release cycle). The warcomm post said “lots more” red but I think that’s likely not the case honestly.

 

so realistically 9 datasheets can probably be marked as “safe”. I’d think Gabriel Seth and corbulo are probably also safe which would make 11.

 

3 for detachments and 4 maybe for new combat patrol? 
 

Would mean losing:

- furioso

- libby dread

- baal predator

- tycho

- tycho the lost 

- death company intercessors (having been merged with death company marines)

- sanguinary priest

- sanguinary priest with jump pack

 

could honestly see that being roughly what it looks like

 

Edit:

- I wonder if sanguinary priest may become an enhancement or other small adjustment to apothecary datasheets

Edited August 4 by Blindhamster

[Rhavien]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

 

I really hope the Jump SP does not disappear. He really turns my VanVets from good into great.

Hope so, too! Just finished painting my conversion . Would be a bummer to send another cool model to legends.

[jimbo1701]

It makes sense to be honest that they are holding over a couple of special characters from each divergent chapter and pretty much gives us the 11th edition release for those books. Maybe sneak one or two into the end of edition campaign book such as Ezekiel / Seth.

 

It’s a vain hope but I’m keeping my fingers crossed that either in 11th or 12th they give each divergent chapter a basic infantry set loaded with bits and more ornate wargear, along the lines of the ba tactical squad / da veterans and sw pack. would make some sense once the broad update is done. 

 

Edited August 4 by jimbo1701

[LSM]

I was going to make a post about the difference in wording (as seen below, for posterity), but actually looking at the other Datasheet Cards sets for sale, they pretty uniformly have the [x] number of cards for the [x] datasheets for 40k, plus [y] number of cards for the [y] number of datasheets in the Combat Patrol. (So far, it seems to have always been y=4.)

 

So yeah, it's very likely that means 14 actual units.

 

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I'd also think, in regards to the Dreadnoughts, that the current Death Company Dreadnought will be unchanged (as it shares a kit with the Librarian Dreadnought and Furioso - either all three stay, or all three go, IMO). Which means that the Death Company Brutalis would have to be its own datasheet. 

 

My 14:

1. Dante
2. Mephiston
3. Astorath
4. Lemartes
5. Sanguinor
6. Sanguinary Priest 
7. Sanguinary Guard
8. Death Company Intercessors
9. Death Company Intercessors with Jump Packs
10. Death Company Brutalis Dreadnought
11. Death Company Dreadnought
12. Librarian Dreadnought
13. Furioso Dreadnought
14. Baal predator 

Basically, drop the resin, fold the three Death Company marines into two, add a Death Company Brutalis. Alternatively, the Redemptor, Brutalis, and Ballistus could get a special rule applied to their generic datasheets via Detachment rules, I suppose.

 

My other thought would be to drop the Sanguinary Priest, in favour of the rumoured Blood Angels Captain, if said Captain has different options than the current ones (ie a Combi-Weapon, or Inferno Pistol, etc.)

 

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Vis-à-vis the number of units in Blood Angels, vs Dark Angels, the latter's article said, "...20 datasheet cards covering every unit in the Codex Supplement..." while the former said, "...datacards covering all 18 datasheets..."

 

Which is not entirely the same. The Dark Angels can be read as 20 cards for [x] amount of datasheets, plus things that aren't strictly speaking, datasheets (the Army Rules and 3 Detachments), while the Blood Angels seems to specify it's [x] amount of cards for 18 datasheets.

 

It could definitely still be 14 instead of 18, and I'd not be surprised if there was a character culling.

 

 

[jimbo1701]

1 hour ago, LSM said:

I was going to make a post about the difference in wording (as seen below, for posterity), but actually looking at the other Datasheet Cards sets for sale, they pretty uniformly have the [x] number of cards for the [x] datasheets for 40k, plus [y] number of cards for the [y] number of datasheets in the Combat Patrol. (So far, it seems to have always been y=4.)

 

So yeah, it's very likely that means 14 actual units.

 

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I'd also think, in regards to the Dreadnoughts, that the current Death Company Dreadnought will be unchanged (as it shares a kit with the Librarian Dreadnought and Furioso - either all three stay, or all three go, IMO). Which means that the Death Company Brutalis would have to be its own datasheet. 

 

My 14:

1. Dante
2. Mephiston
3. Astorath
4. Lemartes
5. Sanguinor
6. Sanguinary Priest 
7. Sanguinary Guard
8. Death Company Intercessors
9. Death Company Intercessors with Jump Packs
10. Death Company Brutalis Dreadnought
11. Death Company Dreadnought
12. Librarian Dreadnought
13. Furioso Dreadnought
14. Baal predator 

Basically, drop the resin, fold the three Death Company marines into two, add a Death Company Brutalis. Alternatively, the Redemptor, Brutalis, and Ballistus could get a special rule applied to their generic datasheets via Detachment rules, I suppose.

 

My other thought would be to drop the Sanguinary Priest, in favour of the rumoured Blood Angels Captain, if said Captain has different options than the current ones (ie a Combi-Weapon, or Inferno Pistol, etc.)

 

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your list might not be far off. Personally I think we will see the dreadnoughts go though and instead those 3 slots will be occupied by Seth and corbulo plus one other. Interesting if they release a blood angel captain kit akin to the Marshall that would allow them to easily have different wargear to the standard captain. 

Edited August 4 by jimbo1701

[Blindhamster]

The death company brutalis is just referred to as a death company dreadnought, which is what has me thinking all three current ones are going to go

[phandaal]

Nice to see Blood Angels fans getting their turn to play the fun 10th Edition mini-game:

 

"Which of my units will cease to exist when the Codex launches?"

[Vardus]

I can see the 3 Dreadnoughts, Baal Predator, both forms of Tycho and the 3 current Death Company infantry datasheets going.

 

In their place I can see no replacement for the Librarian or Furioso* Dreads and a Death Company Dread on Redemptor chassis, the Baal Predator replaced with the Baal Gladiator Reaper, Tycho is now truly lost and just 2 Death Company datasheets (jump and foot) with Primaris loadout and upgrade sprue weapon options.

 

*Already "replaceable" with the Brutalis.

 

Edit: Put the * in the right place!

Edited August 4 by Vardus

[Dark Shepherd]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

Nice to see Blood Angels fans getting their turn to play the fun 10th Edition mini-game:

 

"Which of my units will cease to exist when the Codex launches?"

The Wolves cull is going to be sadder than The Littleist Hobo

[LSM]

A bunch of stuff has started to move to Sold Out Online (the old Combat Patrol, the old Upgrades/Primaris Upgrades, Lemartes, Sanguinary Guard). Baal Pred and Dreds are still up (at this moment) which is no guarantee, but I think they're staying.

 

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2 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

The Wolves cull is going to be sadder than The Littleist Hobo

 

...So if you wanna' join me, for a wile
Just grab your hat
Come travel light, that's hobo style

Maybe tomorrow I'll wanna settle down
Until tomorrow the whole world is my home...

 

 

Edited August 4 by LSM

[Orange Knight]

Hopefully the Librarian Dreadnought will return in the future sporting a shiny new Redemptor Chassis, and as an option for all chapters.

 

It makes little sense that this option is chapter specific.

[Blindhamster]

technically, the blood angels (lore wise) are meant to have one of the larger librarius of all chapters (makes sense considering they were one of the very specific supporters of the program during the great crusade and their primarchs stronger than average psychic inclinations).

 

But yeah, i broadly agree that a librarian dreadnought makes sense as something all chapters should have.

[Kharn13]

So the “little gold” we’re guessing is Sanguinor and SG. Could perhaps the “lots of red” mean blood rather than red armour. Maybe it’s a new Seth model??

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Kharn13 said:

So the “little gold” we’re guessing is Sanguinor and SG. Could perhaps the “lots of red” mean blood rather than red armour. Maybe it’s a new Seth model??

 

Perhaps the slimmest possible chance.  There's a better chance of Seth just appearing randomly in the middle of some other release as the opposite (Something like Vasthor v Azrael style) before they'll release him as part of the BA update.

I wouldn't hold your breath on Seth even being around much any more after this.  Seems like the perfect candidate to move to Legends, tho I guess Pedro Kantor and the other Non-Legion-Chapter leaders mostly survived, right?

[Kharn13]

13 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Perhaps the slimmest possible chance.  There's a better chance of Seth just appearing randomly in the middle of some other release as the opposite (Something like Vasthor v Azrael style) before they'll release him as part of the BA update.

I wouldn't hold your breath on Seth even being around much any more after this.  Seems like the perfect candidate to move to Legends, tho I guess Pedro Kantor and the other Non-Legion-Chapter leaders mostly survived, right?

The Huron model was removed at the same time as Seth, so maybe a versus box with them two? Chaos bikes at the same time for Red Corsairs?
 

Hopefully Seth isn’t gone forever.

[DemonGSides]

Just now, Kharn13 said:

The Huron model was removed at the same time as Seth, so maybe a versus box with them two? Chaos bikes at the same time for Red Corsairs?
 

Hopefully Seth isn’t gone forever.

 

Now that's something I could get behind!  Huron deserves a slick model.

[jimbo1701]

I hope Seth isn’t a goner. They seem to have given him quite a lot of spotlight in the last decade so I reckon he will make the cut. 

[Xenith]

20 hours ago, phandaal said:

Nice to see Blood Angels fans getting their turn to play the fun 10th Edition mini-game:

 

"Which of my units will cease to exist when the Codex launches?"

 

 Would that this weren't true. I guess GW can say they still make a 'Baal Predator' using the Deimos + FW asscan upgrades. The plastic Baal is one of the nicest tanks GW makes. 

[Karhedron]

Not my favourite game but I will play. I think that our 3 unique Dreadnoughts and the Baal Predator are safe for this edition. Why do I think that? The pattern from the DA Codex was that units were removed when a model replacement was available that no longer had the parts to represent that unit. The perfect example is the Deathwing Command squad vanishing while the Ravenwing Command Squad remained. There were new Terminators and Deathwing Knights but no longer parts for a Command squad. The Ravening on the other hand retained the same kit. The custom Dark Angels speeders also survived for the same reasons.

 

The old Boxnaught and Predator are both in the 10th edition SM Codex so I think variants of these units are safe. The existence of a Death Company Brutalis does put the Dreads on slightly shaky ground but I think that they will last one more edition. The Sanguinary Priest has never had a jump pack in model form and the fact that GW no longer sells separate Jump Packs makes me think that unit is at risk.

 

DAs also kept all their finecast Characters so it is not unreasonable that Corbulo, Tycho and Seth may all continue to exist.

[jaxom]

11 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

The Sanguinary Priest has never had a jump pack in model form and the fact that GW no longer sells separate Jump Packs makes me think that unit is at risk.

 

DAs also kept all their finecast Characters so it is not unreasonable that Corbulo, Tycho and Seth may all continue to exis

Sound logic. Only other t possibility I think may be likely is the SP gets the Interrogater-Chaplain treatment (removed from codex, but archetype special character gets a new model). So maybe a new Corbolo?

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

On 8/3/2024 at 9:21 PM, jimbo1701 said:

n order of most to least likely:

 

1. Dante

2. mephiston

3. death company with jump packs 

4. death company 

5. Lemartes 

6. astorath

7. death company dreadnought

8. sanguinary guard

9. sanguinor

10. Seth 

11. Baal predator 

12. Corbulo 

13. Sanguinary priest 

14. Tycho

15. Tycho the lost 

16. sanguinary priest with jump pack 

17. Librarian dreadnought

18. furioso dreadnought. 

I just want to point out that while the Death Co. Dread and the Furioso Dread now have a Primaris analogue, the Libby Dread does not. As it's a triple kit, and still in stock on the webstore, I actually don't anticipate the Furioso or Libby Dread losing thier data sheets. I fear more for the Sanguinary priest, particularly his Jump Pack. In my opinion, both tychos should be bottom of the list.