Rumour Blood Angel Boxset

[jaxom]

2 hours ago, jaxom said:

Sound logic. Only other t possibility I think may be likely is the SP gets the Interrogater-Chaplain treatment (removed from codex, but archetype special character gets a new model). So maybe a new Corbolo?

Happy to see I was wrong 

[DemonGSides]

18 minutes ago, jaxom said:

Happy to see I was wrong 

 

Unfortunately I think you're right just in the wrong direction; we're keeping SP, but probably losing Corbulo.

[jimbo1701]

Now looking like (based on credible rumors and official gw teasers)

 

1. Dante

2. mephiston

3. death company with jump packs 

4. death company 

5. Lemartes 

6. astorath

7. death company dreadnought

8. sanguinary guard

9. sanguinor

10. Sanguinary priest  

(11. blood angel specific captain??) 

 

Then however many of the others make the cut:

 

A. Baal predator 

B. Corbulo 

C. Seth 

D. Tycho

E. Tycho the lost 

F. sanguinary priest with jump pack 

G. Librarian dreadnought

H. furioso dreadnought. 
 

[Indy Techwisp]

9 minutes ago, jimbo1701 said:

 

Now looking like (based on credible rumors and official gw teasers)

 

1. Dante

2. mephiston

3. death company with jump packs 

4. death company 

5. Lemartes 

6. astorath

7. death company dreadnought

8. sanguinary guard

9. sanguinor

10. Sanguinary priest  

(11. blood angel specific captain??) 

 

Then however many of the others make the cut:

 

A. Baal predator 

B. Corbulo 

C. Seth 

D. Tycho

E. Tycho the lost 

F. sanguinary priest with jump pack 

G. Librarian dreadnought

H. furioso dreadnought. 
 

 

It seems that BA are keeping 14 datasheets.

Based on current theories and teasers:

1. Dante
2. Mephiston
3. Lemartes
4. Astorath
5. Death Company Intercessors (probably absorbing Death Company Marines)
6. Death Company Intercessors with Jump Packs (probably absorbing Death Company Marines with Jump Packs)
7. Death Company Brutalis Dreadnaught (probably absorbing the normal Death Company Dreadnaught)
8. Sanguinor
9. Sanguinary Guard (Lacking wings according to rumours)
10. Blood Angels Captain (Inferno Pistol means it's a new datasheet)
11. Sanguinary Priest
12. Libby Dreadnaught
13. Baal Predator
14. ?

Personally, I feel the Furioso staying is unlikely because of the Brutalis seeming to be it's replacement, but it still could.

Alternately, Sanguinary Guard might be getting split into 2 datasheets, those being "On Foot" and "with Jump Packs".

[LSM]

Webstore changes aren't the most reliable indicator, but as of this post:

• Sold Out Online: Sanguinary Priest, Sanguinary Guard, old Combat Patrol, old Primaris/Upgrades
• Mysteriously Gone: Sanguinor
• Unchanged: Baal Predator, [Death Company Dreadnought + Librarian Dreadnought + Furioso Dreadnought]

I really think the latter are staying put.

[jimbo1701]

Very hard to say isn’t it. One of the dreadnoughts in the main codex survived the cull as did the predator, so there is potential for them to survive. The DC dread is a bit of an oddball - most likely to be its own datasheet but then a bit odd to represent the same unit with 2 completely different size models, which would invalidate 1/3 of the current dreadnought kit. This is what makes me suspect the old dreadnought kit is going away (plus brutalis is effectively a furioso minus the frag and magna options) as I don’t see them selling a kit where of the 3 build options only 1 or 2 are valid. Might be completely wrong though. There is precedent for older charcaters to survive the cull with out of date models such as in codex sm and da supp also. 

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, LSM said:

Webstore changes aren't the most reliable indicator, but as of this post:

• Sold Out Online: Sanguinary Priest, Sanguinary Guard, old Combat Patrol, old Primaris/Upgrades
• Mysteriously Gone: Sanguinor
• Unchanged: Baal Predator, [Death Company Dreadnought + Librarian Dreadnought + Furioso Dreadnought]

I really think the latter are staying put.

 

Since the rest of the rumour has been right so far, we can expect Sangy Guard and the Sanguinor to be getting updated.

Plus we saw the new Sangy Priest in today's article.

 

As for the Tank and Dreads, I agree the Tank will be staying but the Dreadnaught kit remaining doesn't mean all the options in it will remain legal to use.

Besides, the current assumption being that only 14 of the 18 datasheets are actually for main 40k, there's not enough room to keep all 3 variants.

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, jimbo1701 said:

Very hard to say isn’t it. One of the dreadnoughts in the main codex survived the cull as did the predator, so there is potential for them to survive. The DC dread is a bit of an oddball - most likely to be its own datasheet but then a bit odd to represent the same unit with 2 completely different size models, which would invalidate 1/3 of the current dreadnought kit. This is what makes me suspect the old dreadnought kit is going away (plus brutalis is effectively a furioso minus the frag and magna options) as I don’t see them selling a kit where of the 3 build options only 1 or 2 are valid. Might be completely wrong though. There is precedent for older charcaters to survive the cull with out of date models such as in codex sm and da supp also. 

 

There's still more announcements on the way according to GW, so who knows?

Maybe they surprise everyone and the Libby Dread gets updated to Primaris as a stand alone kit?

[LSM]

24 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

As for the Tank and Dreads, I agree the Tank will be staying but the Dreadnaught kit remaining doesn't mean all the options in it will remain legal to use.

Besides, the current assumption being that only 14 of the 18 datasheets are actually for main 40k, there's not enough room to keep all 3 variants.

 

That's my take, though: there is a list of 14 where the current trio of Dred's stay.

 

My fallback would be that they all go. I think it's one or the other, and I lean towards them all staying.

[Indy Techwisp]

6 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

That's my take, though: there is a list of 14 where the current trio of Dred's stay.

 

My fallback would be that they all go. I think it's one or the other, and I lean towards them all staying.

 

What else would be lost if all 3 stay tho?

The Death Company Dread and the Death Company Brutalis Dread we know is coming both fill pretty much the same role, so usually that would be an easy "that replaces that" assumption.

[LSM]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

What else would be lost if all 3 stay tho?

The Death Company Dread and the Death Company Brutalis Dread we know is coming both fill pretty much the same role, so usually that would be an easy "that replaces that" assumption.

 

Index sits at 19 entries. Cull the resin (Corbulo, Gabriel Seth, Tycho, also Tycho) and the Jump Priest.

 

Fold the three Death Company (marines) datasheets into two.

 

Add the Captain. 14 entries.

 

Add detachment rules for Brutalis, Redemptor, and Ballistus Dreadnoughts to be given the Death Company keyword (or just the Brutalis).

 

Alternatively, cut all three of the Death Company, Furioso, and Librarian Dreadnoughts, and add datasheets for Death Company versions of the Primaris dreds. (Or keep Seth, make a datasheet for Death Company Brutalis, and then have one more surprise reveal. Or hell - keep the old Death Company in production.)

 

The article does say there will be "rules for fielding Death Company Dreadnoughts" when discussing the Brutalis, but the article also uses both "Death Company Marines" and "Death Company Intercessors" for the same units. 

 

Edited August 5 by LSM

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

What else would be lost if all 3 stay tho?

The Death Company Dread and the Death Company Brutalis Dread we know is coming both fill pretty much the same role, so usually that would be an easy "that replaces that" assumption.

 

I don't think the Castefarum DC dread is going to be a legal option outside of friendly games.

So the current Castefarum dread kit will be able to make the old DC, but will only be used for Librarian Dread and Furioso Dread.

 

1. Dante
2. Mephiston
3. Lemartes
4. Astorath
5. Death Company Intercessors
6. Death Company Intercessors with Jump Packs
7. Death Company Brutalis Dreadnaught
8. Sanguinary Guard
9. Furioso Dread
10. Sanguinary Priest
11. Libby Dreadnaught
12. Baal Predator
13. Seth

 

Based on a list above, this is what I expect

Edited August 5 by DemonGSides

[Arkangilos]

On 8/2/2024 at 2:57 AM, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I'll chime in and say I didn't find War of Secrets as bad as these brothers are saying. I quite enjoyed it. I'm primarily a marine fan but I enjoyed it. Maybe because I'm not as well versed in Dark Angel or T'au lore as I am Blood Angel lore, it meant I wasn't "offended" by the books contents.

 

As I understand it from Astorath's books, he's not going around killling ALL the brothers of the blood who have fallen to the black. He's going around cleaning up messes, like brothers who have fallen to the Black rage and are now loose in a hive or are rampaging across an agri world. Time sensitive messes, lest the legion's secret be discovered. He has a latent psychic ability that allows him to track brothers who have fallen. So no he's not going around being a headsman for chapters who have their fallen brothers in chains, he's going around basically being a detective and catching LOOSE fallen brothers. 

If that is the change they are going with it’s much better, thank you!

 

Though still, one guy going through the whole galaxy through unreliable warp travel seems a bit inefficient when it can take years to arrive. 
 

So hopefully they retcon him to not be the only one. As another said, every chapter should have someone assigned to that duty.

[ThoricTheMad]

Was looking at the way they phrased this - is it possible there’s a generic “death company dreadnought” rule that can be slapped on any dread, therefore not requiring an actual data sheet? 
 

 

 

Edited August 5 by ThoricTheMad

[DemonGSides]

Obviously I'm as much to blame about reading too much into the language on WHC articles as anyone else, but I would be careful putting TOO much stock in the grammar of sentences.

 

 

Unless they plan on using the BA codex to demo some new types of rules (They've done some battleline shenanigans, and unit restrictions, but never something as big as full datasheet re-works based off of Detatchment choices), I think it's probably just bad Marketing Speak.

I would love to paint all of my redemptor chassis dreads in black though.  Give me a reason, GW!
 

[jaxom]

43 minutes ago, ThoricTheMad said:

Was looking at the way they phrased this - is it possible there’s a generic “death company dreadnought” rule that can be slapped on any dread, therefore not requiring an actual data sheet? 
 

 

 

Eh, data sheets are rules, just a specific type. The entirety of 10ths unit marketing is based on discrete cards. Huge if, but if they do something else it will be as simple as giving the Death Company keyword to the unit.

[LSM]

 

Webstore changes aren't the most reliable indicator, but as of this post:

• Sold Out Online: Sanguinary Priest, Sanguinary Guard, old Combat Patrol, old Primaris/Upgrades
• Mysteriously Gone: Sanguinor
• Unchanged: Baal Predator, [Death Company Dreadnought + Librarian Dreadnought + Furioso Dreadnought]

I really think the latter are staying put.

 

An update: while the Dreadnoughts are still readily available on the UK store, in Canadaland they've moved to Sold Out Online.

 

*tugs at collar* 

[Lord Marshal]

Boxset pre-order next week.

 

Edited August 18 by Lord Marshal

[jaxom]

We've come full circle to 2nd edition. Marine bodies are monopose and the only customizable parts are the arms, backpacks, and little ornaments.

Yeah, these are Jes Goodwin's Death Company

[Blindhamster]

 

We've come full circle to 2nd edition. Marine bodies are monopose and the only customizable parts are the arms, backpacks, and little ornaments.

Yeah, these are Jes Goodwin's Death Company

I loved that set so much. Happy memories of being an obstinant child that absolutely would not spend holiday money so he could afford them :D

 

to be fair to it, most models had some extra iconography. Not to the extent of the modern ones, but a few had blood drops on their chest, the beaky one had blood drop pendants (like modern ones) and most had skull/crossbone designs.

[LSM]

So it looks like the 18 datasheets in the book are just three for the Combat Patrol, and 15 regular units.

 

Everyone has to get their new lists in. ;p

 

//

 

(EDIT: With minimal thought, I'd just copy my previous 14, but add back Gabriel Seth.)

 

Edited August 18 by LSM

[Brother Cruoris]

Who is captain Raldeo? 

We get a new named character?

[Vardus]

 

Who is captain Raldeo? 

We get a new named character?

 

All combat patrol leaders have a name. Usually nothing else is mentioned about them except in the CP section on the Codex.

[01RTB01]

 

Who is captain Raldeo? 

We get a new named character?

 

Nope, just a named generic captain. 

 

We've come full circle to 2nd edition. Marine bodies are monopose and the only customizable parts are the arms, backpacks, and little ornaments.

Yeah, these are Jes Goodwin's Death Company

This evokes a lot more emotion than the new stuff lol.

[Brother Cruoris]

Aw.. sad face!

 

Do we know what the new box will cost?