Kill Team Kill Team Termination GSC vs Votann

[grailkeeper]

I'm looking to start up kill team with my cousin. Whats the basic entry requirement?

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, grailkeeper said:

I'm looking to start up kill team with my cousin. Whats the basic entry requirement?

 

Unfortunately it's difficult to say with the rumour/guess that there'll be a new edition dropping some time this Summer. It's possible KT'21 won't be on the three year cycle, but it would still make me hesitant to invest in buying much beyond models when there's a decent chance of a new starter dropping.

[Nova-V]

It's amazing how little chatter there has been about KT24.  This is arguably the final box of KT21 unless they manage to squeeze in a 4th box for Bheta Decima.  Ever since the Ashes of Faith debacle GW seems to have put KT on the back burner.  The first two seasons were great and thematic with a nice mix of 40K and KT teams.  This year has been very non descript and the teams are just extra out of position 40K releases.

[Lord Marshal]

Rather than releasing a separate PDF, the Votann Index was updated to include the Yeagerists at the bottom. 

 

[Ripper.McGuirl]

18 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

I'm looking to start up kill team with my cousin. Whats the basic entry requirement?

I mean the basic outlay is the rulebook, some kind of counters, and the compendium. That will get you started for sure. Then people can get whatever team they like and whatever book/pdf their rules come in.

[ThePenitentOne]

If they put out a new edition of KT, I don'tthink I'm going to buy in.

 

The monkey wrench is that when new units are created, they won't have rules in the old edition. We see this in 40k too; if I had wanted to stick to 9th (and I did), there'd be no Von Ryan's Leapers or Jump Canoness for me. I think it will be easier for me to stick to my guns with KT since KT purchases have mostly been made with 40k in mind anyway.

 

Right now, I am LOVING what GW has done with Necromunda. The Ash Wastes are as amazing as they are specifically BECAUSE GW didn't hit the edition reset button, and now we're into Hive Secondus! It just goes to show how far you can develop a game if you have the guts to keep it going instead of falling back on quick (but stupid) easy edition reset money (which ultimately turns out to be unhealthy for the game). 

 

 

[Indy Techwisp]

48 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Rather than releasing a separate PDF, the Votann Index was updated to include the Yeagerists at the bottom. 

 

 

Shame that the Mines and the Crossbow don't seem to have 40k Rules, but that's not too unexpected.

I'm not a LoV player myself (yet), but those stats look pretty good to me at least.

[Nova-V]

Looking at the pic on the 40K data card but only one of those 3 (the one on the right) has a legal 40K loadout?  You would think they would have picked three models which actually fit 40K.  Still nice to see a proper KT kit again with lots of KT specific options.

[Doobles57]

I'm sure these "Kit Focus" articles used to actually show the sprues. Rather than just putting names to images we've already seen. 

 

Anyway I'll likely pick the votann up on their individual release - I've no use for the GSC side although it looks cool. Personally I like the Hernkyn-on-foot look and the 40k rules seem decent. I'm no expert in that regard though so I'll bow to superior wisdom.

[Indy Techwisp]

Copying a comment here from the LoV reddit:

"Hopefully this means there's a Hernkyn character coming with the codex."

[zulu.tango]

On 5/28/2024 at 2:24 PM, grailkeeper said:

I'm looking to start up kill team with my cousin. Whats the basic entry requirement?

Right now basic entry requirements are two kill teams and the "essentials" box, which consists of tokens, barricades, and their goofy shape-rulers. To play a game you'll need terrain but you can poor-hammer it with whatever you want really. 
This article is a bit dated but is still relevant for entering into kill team. 

Lord Marshal's point about the rumored new edition is a valid concern, but I personally don't see them rocking the boat too much with a new edition. The community at large is very happy with KT21's ruleset, hoping mostly for a clean-up of the rules rather than a ground-up redesign. 

[Tokugawa]

Infiltrator unit for a faction which didn't own one before, is always helpful. And their damage output is higher than zero, which make them better. If lower than 125pts you will see them on 40k gaming tables often.

[sitnam]

I think that, if you have any interest in at least one of the teams, the Kill Team Starter is such good value. Even if the rules get revamped, it's gives you two teams to play and the necessary component. However, if you don't have interest in either team  then likely the best thing to do is get a single team that interests you, build and paint them up, and wait to see what happens with a possible new edition. The game has free rules available, so just use counts as components for the barricades, rulers, and tokens

 

I wonder what will happen with this Brood Brother kit in 40k. Brood Brothers are taken as allies right now, but given how things have gone in 10th  wonder if BB will get a GSC datasheet, and what that means for the detachment rules

[Brother Raul]

On 3/21/2024 at 3:11 PM, Triszin said:

Votann miss the mark by a mile.

Not with that crossbow they didn't!

[01RTB01]

On 5/28/2024 at 9:19 AM, DemonGSides said:

 

If there's no LGS to play at where are games being held?  Genuine question, every place I've ever played in public has been either in a game store or game store affiliated (Like they hosted a tournament at a local hotel convention hall cuz they had so much interest but still being put on by an LGS).

I play at a local club, no affiliation, played at 2 different clubs in the UK, no affiliation. 

[Rusted Boltgun]

Season's end...

 

War Com article

 

The current season of Kill Team is coming to a close, as a doughty band of Leagues of Votann pioneers battle with disciplined Brood Brother operatives in Kill Team: Termination

 

[Cenobite Terminator]

I’m liking the Votann minis quite a bit. It’s nice you can play them in games of 40K now.

[phandaal]

3 hours ago, Rusted Boltgun said:

as a doughty band of Leagues of Votann pioneers battle

 

I would like to point out that I referred to my Votann rangers as "doughty" well before this article came out. Warhammer Community is obviously plagiarizing from the fifth-most popular thread in the Votann subforum.

 

25 minutes ago, Cenobite Terminator said:

I’m liking the Votann minis quite a bit. It’s nice you can play them in games of 40K now.

 

Gonna press X to doubt, because you spent months after Votann launched telling people they were jumping on the OP bandwagon for even looking at them. Anybody who was excited about the army as a legitimate fan of space dwarves got a hefty dose of opprobium. Unless their win rate is low enough now for them to get the Black Blow Fly seal of approval?

[brother_b]

On 5/29/2024 at 7:14 PM, sitnam said:

 

I wonder what will happen with this Brood Brother kit in 40k. Brood Brothers are taken as allies right now, but given how things have gone in 10th  wonder if BB will get a GSC datasheet, and what that means for the detachment rules

I have the same feeling, Brood Brothers will have a data sheet. I’m wondering if Russes will too, without the special rules and with the ability to take variant weapon systems.

[Lord Marshal]

Stock seems pretty decent this time around. Most of the bigger stockists appear to have plenty of copies even close to an hour later and GW don't have one-per-order on it.

 

Well, that or nobody's interested - but based off the 'net people still seemed pretty excited about this one.

 

Edited June 1 by Lord Marshal

[Matrindur]

Interestingly I know of multiple stores in different European countries that only got the box in their local languages and no english versions. Wonder what happened there?

[Rusted Boltgun]

Got mine pre-ordered. Unless the new season blows me away, this is the end of my KT run.

 

So far, the rumoured 'flying' edition hasn't sparked my interest. I think jump-based teams are more likely to be a one-off summer release rather than a whole season but I have no basis for that, just my own opinion. 

 

The completist in me likes to have a full set and with  all  of KT2.0 I have more than enough teams to paint to keep me going to the end of next year at least, given my completion rate. Plus terrain. 

 

And, who knows, I might even get a few games in!

 

 

[Indy Techwisp]

On 5/31/2024 at 3:33 PM, brother_b said:

I have the same feeling, Brood Brothers will have a data sheet. I’m wondering if Russes will too, without the special rules and with the ability to take variant weapon systems.

 

I feel like it's more likely that this Brood Brother's team is one of those teams like Pathfinders which added nothing new to the 40k Datasheet.
Either that or it's a specific "Brood Brother Veterans" datasheet which adds the new stuff, but I think if it was a new Datasheet then we'd've gotten it when we got the datasheet for the Yaegirs since we're still a little way off from the Codex.

 

3 hours ago, Rusted Boltgun said:

Got mine pre-ordered. Unless the new season blows me away, this is the end of my KT run.

 

So far, the rumoured 'flying' edition hasn't sparked my interest. I think jump-based teams are more likely to be a one-off summer release rather than a whole season but I have no basis for that, just my own opinion. 

 

The completist in me likes to have a full set and with  all  of KT2.0 I have more than enough teams to paint to keep me going to the end of next year at least, given my completion rate. Plus terrain. 

 

And, who knows, I might even get a few games in!

 

Personally, a "Season of Sky" seems more like something which would be an "Ashes of Faith" style one-off box with both teams getting normal KT rules alongside unique campaign rules.
There's another rumour going around about the next season using mostly city terrain and having more emphasis on verticality without completely invalidating ground-pounder teams, which is more realistic of a rumour IMO.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

Half an hour in, and this badboy is still for sale in the US. That’s gotta be a record.

[sitnam]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I feel like it's more likely that this Brood Brother's team is one of those teams like Pathfinders which added nothing new to the 40k Datasheet.
Either that or it's a specific "Brood Brother Veterans" datasheet which adds the new stuff, but I think if it was a new Datasheet then we'd've gotten it when we got the datasheet for the Yaegirs since we're still a little way off from the Codex.

 

The Brood brothers dont have a data sheet, they just use detachment ally rules for Astra Militarum. I assume if we do get a actual datasheet in the codex then the reason GSC didnt get a free download like the LoV is because the LoV arent currently in sight on the release schedule

 

We could also just get the Pathfinder treatment, and this upgrade sprue is purely cosmetic for those allied detachments

Edited June 1 by sitnam