Lysimachus Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 (edited) I don't know how, but I'd never seen that in DW, but you're absolutely right! In that game your DoS on the Hit roll is your minimum Dam on one of your d10s... Slightly different wording, but same effect. I wonder how many points of Damage I've missed out on over the years by not seeing that... Edited September 24 by Lysimachus Xin Ceithan, Necronaut and Mazer Rackham 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 Wow, never really copped that rule either. Adversaries just jumped up a notch, but it IS situational. I'll put it to the vote - do you want to maintain, or go by the book? Edit @Mazer Rackham it probably doesn't make much difference... Not a bean, my lad. Necronaut and Lysimachus 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 (edited) I'll put it to the vote - do you want to maintain, or go by the book? I'd use the rule, but that's because I always prefer to stick to the book wherever I can. Like you said, it's a pretty rare situation where you'll get more than 1 or 2 Damage extra, as most times you won't get masses of DoS. But it might just protect players from the horrible feeling of having rolled a successful Hit and then flubbing the Dam roll with a 1? Edit: @Machine God I think the Cursed Metal downgrade says 'at the end of each combat' so I'd say you only need to roll for that once at the end of the whole fight, not each Round... unless Mazer has told you differently? Edited September 24 by Lysimachus Mazer Rackham, Machine God and Necronaut 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Quick question so I can phrase Rakash’s plan correctly in the narrative: Since the summoning obviously worked and the binding didn’t - I assume it’d make sense for the banishing to involve sort of “reverse” the summoning - replacing asome of the sigils, removing others? Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 Yep, that is about the size of it. Xin Ceithan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) GM: Comments, queries and creaming in the OOC as usual. Deliberate pun or Freudian error...? Edited September 25 by Lysimachus Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 Deliberate pun or Freudian error...? Depends on the consistency! Xin Ceithan and Lysimachus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 What is the chanting tested against? That said I think Xerxes isn't qualified for more than the page turner roll, or assistant to - at INT 45 he gets a bonus DoS from his cybernetics, a potential assist from his minion (who may be a legless servitor with the strength of a child but can still dual-wield candles) and possibly a +20 bonus from his cerebral implants if this is considered a logic/lore style test. Plus he hasn't blown any infamy yet. Xin Ceithan and Mazer Rackham 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 (edited) What is the chanting tested against? Apologies, it can be Intelligence (Forbidden Lore (Any suitable) or Willpower. I'll amend that, cheers. Edited September 25 by Mazer Rackham Xin Ceithan and Necronaut 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 I’m guessing Cyrandras will act as the locus with him being the only Psyker in the group (and unwilling to let Khardon take credit ) - keep in mind that he’s also got “Radiant Presence “ though I’m unaware if that is of any further use here since it is in play already and I haven’t found anything that says the effects stack Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 Radiant Presence only affects Fear or Intimidation Tests, and I'm afraid this Ritual doesn't qualify for bonuses therefrom. Necronaut 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Radiant Presence only affects Fear or Intimidation Tests, and I'm afraid this Ritual doesn't qualify for bonuses therefrom. ..unless someone tries to scare or threaten the ritualists away But yeah, noted. Also, placeholder replaced Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 ..unless someone tries to scare or threaten the ritualists away Foreshadowing. Xin Ceithan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 The Smiler can probably take on the chanting, but I'll have to wait till tonight to work up a post. Xin Ceithan, Necronaut and Mazer Rackham 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Side point, but how crummy are Huron's bodyguards? His target to hit Delly with an AllOut Attack was 80, right? That's including +20 for Size and +30 for the AOA. Can't think of any negative mods that would have been in play, so has he really only got WS30?? Xin Ceithan, Mazer Rackham and Necronaut 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 Forgot about her Size. But I also forgot to do the WP Tests for them as well. Maybe they'll get Stunned...! Unfortunately I don't know what's going on with the post. The stuff in the spoilers won't edit. I'll add an amendment... Machine God and Lysimachus 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 @Mazer Rackham - GM, what was the damage from the Alpha Legion Miss? It looked like Kraggan got hit, then Eska and then a Terminator who ignored it? Kraggan cannot Dodge as he made an All Out Attack. Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 (edited) Damage is rolled as a single roll for anyone hit. However, since I waived a rule for Lysimachus, I will allow you a Dodge roll against the Bolter shot or the Horde Attack despite your AOA. The Terminator ignores it because it cannot beat his Arm/TB. Edited September 25 by Mazer Rackham Fair is fair. Necronaut, Lysimachus and Machine God 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 @Mazer Rackham GM, you rolled for Huron and the TDA for their saves Vs Delphine's Stun. But what about the Alpha Legion? Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 TBF they were shooting at the Sirensong, so can be excused in a combination of terrible shooting and eyes elsewhere... Machine God 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 If Xerxes has any sort of Forbidden Lore that is applicable, he will be better than the Smiler due to his auto-DoS, who will be using his WP 45. For Forbidden Lore, I think you would need either Demonology or the Warp. As for order of actions, to me it looks like this- Round 1 - Locus (Summoning of Force), Assistant (Alteration of Binding), Chanter (Refrain of Refute) Round 2 - Assistant (Reformation of the Warp Vortex), Locus (Control of the Immortal Power), Chanter (Refrain of Castigation) Round 3 - Locus (Unleashing the Unrelenting Tide), Chanter (Refrain of Abolition), Assistant (Closure of the Eternal Seal) Each round seems to follow a sort of pattern; raising a power, controlling a power, then binding/finishing a power. Of course, that may just be my read on it. Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 So it looks like our current plan of making things worse is : Locus - Cyrandras (Manifestation rolls) Chanter - Smiler (WP) Rites #1 - Xerxes (INT), with assistance from his candle waving minion Rites #2 - Unoccupied Lysimachus, Mazer Rackham and Lord_Ikka 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 (edited) Presumably, as Locus, Rakash can attempt the Forbidden Lore Test to work out the pattern, before the whole process is actually started? So although it's a tough-ish Test - Int40 - 30(Difficulty) +10(Assist from Crux'as) = 60 - there is no risk in having a go at figuring it out? Failing that, I'd say Ikka's read on it makes a whole lot of sense. I don't think any of the rest of us have the Skills to be much help to you guys? Hagga and Teshub are definitely more fighty than lore-y so I'm guessing they are better off staying where they are? Kraggan, however, has got high Int and Forbidden Lore (Warp) so could be useful in the second Rites position... but I'm not sure whether he can get out of the melee in order to come help? @Mazer Rackham would the narrative prep Round allow him to Disengage and get over there, if MG wishes? Edited September 26 by Lysimachus Mazer Rackham and Necronaut 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necronaut Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Ukalegon while burning and bleeding to death in sus-an torpor: "These guys have got this..." Mazer Rackham and Lysimachus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Hey, at least if it all goes wrong and they summon a Bloodthirster, maybe it will at least kill Delly for us? (Before it then kills the rest of us, obviously!) Mazer Rackham and Necronaut 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383216-bc-the-blackest-heart-ooc/page/16/#findComment-6066739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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