Horus Heresy Campaigns in the Age of Darkness: The Martian Civil War

[Joe]

 

Is 30k a main game or a specialist game? It is listed under the 'more' section of their website, so I'm guessing it counts as a specialist game.

Do specialist games follow the same 3 year cycle as the main games? I don't know enough about the AoS games or KT/Munda to notice. 

 

Horus Heresy is one of the core three "brands" at the company, however the game itself is still a Specialist Game; the SG Design Team are consistently mentioned in regards to the system, and it's still being managed by what was once Forge World.

 

Specialist Games don't follow the three year cycle.

[Valkyrion]

 

 

Specialist Games don't follow the three year cycle.

 

Don't, but could, right? As in, it wouldn't be a real shock to see HH3.0 next summer?

[Joe]

 

Don't, but could, right? As in, it wouldn't be a real shock to see HH3.0 next summer?

 

Strictly speaking, anything could follow a three-year cycle at the company if the demand is there / management decides that's the way to go. The Specialist Games tend to run upwards of six years for an edition, with errant examples like Necromunda (multiple soft-edition "refreshes" since 2017) and Blood Bowl (2016, and "Second Season Edition" in 2020).

 

Middle-earth, as an example, is moving on to the seventh edition of that system after the current iteration of the game released in 2018.

[TheArtilleryman]

I really hope they don’t release a HH 3.0 so soon. It really would be too much.

[Mandragola]

I don't know when (or if) it’ll be released. Sorry for derailing the conversation with an OT issue.

Edited September 2 by Mandragola

[Petitioner's City]

 

I really hope they don’t release a HH 3.0 so soon. It really would be too much.

 

I just wish they'd fix it rather than anything else (that's the crazy points, the many poorly done rules, the flaws in lists, the cheapness of the 10pt tactical that leaves no room beneath it for mortals, reactions, dreadnoughts, vehicles, etc).

 

As such, I tend to think the game needs the kind of root and branch errata of a scale with what the panopticans do.

 

However for some, such a scale of errata means a "different game" (or a new edition), but for me wouldn't be that, per se (as panoptica is still 'this' game/edition).

 

I agree with Joe, I expect a soft reboot or (to borrow Topsykrett's words) a "stealth errata"; updated core books that are intended to work backwards and forwards with existing publications and future ones, in a messy manner (much like in Munda, where content from 2018's Gangs of the Underhive is still 'legal', alongside various 2019 books, for the 2020 and 2022 and 2023 soft reboots of the game).

 

@Mandragola - I really feel the heresy rumours are doom loop influencer-fan circularity - the same kind of things upset fans always say, being repeated by supposed people in the know, which then keeps being repeated and repeated. It feels like this has been occuring since 2022, forming a kind of critical mass. 

 

 

Edited September 2 by Petitioner's City

[Taliesin]

 

 

Don't, but could, right? As in, it wouldn't be a real shock to see HH3.0 next summer?

 

It would be a shock, and apparently that is not even close to being on the cards.

If you listen to Andy Hoare in last week's NOVA preview, you will hear what they have in store the next few years. They are basically just getting started with Heresy 2.0 and will be diving more into the Astartes, Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum the next few years he says. I would not expect another Heresy edition this decade.

Edited September 2 by Taliesin

[Redcomet]

 

 

It would be a shock, and apparently that is not even close to being on the cards.

If you listen to Andy Hoare in last week's NOVA preview, you will hear what they have in store the next few years. They are basically just getting started with Heresy 2.0 and will be diving more into the Astartes, Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum the next few years he says. I would not expect another Heresy edition this decade.

Nothing in what he said would rule out a new edition. He just mentioned what minis was coming out.

[Xenith]

 

You could argue that the player should have known the rules for their army but they didn’t

 

I don't think all the books in the world could have helped with that. 

[Marshal Rohr]

Until people go back to writing their army lists out by hand not know what things do will persist until the twin evils of army builder apps and Russian rules sites are defeated 

[SkimaskMohawk]

 

You could argue that the player should have known the rules for their army but they didn’t

 

Yes lol, they should have known the rules for their army, or known where to look them up. This is a normal expectation, and even more normal for paid events that people travel hours to. 

 

@Petitioner's City the sad part was that a solid FAQ was all 1st needed as well. A fix on daemons here, a fix on terrain rules there; most of it was sorted. We shouldn't need to repay for a new edition and the hope that things are more balanced and fun. 

Edited September 2 by SkimaskMohawk

[SalamandersBro]

 

 

Don't, but could, right? As in, it wouldn't be a real shock to see HH3.0 next summer?

I thought when 2.0 came out, GW said it's not going to follow the 3 year cycle like thier other games. My memory could be bad though.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

I hope the next campaign book is a zone mortalis book the size of the boarding actions book. Honestly, they could rerelease the boarding actions book and just change the wording to fit the heresy system and I’d be over the moon.

[Razorblade]

I could see them replacing AoD and in that swing release a revised core book including errata the revised missions and maybe some minor rules tweaks (maybe not too dissimilar to the transition from 6th to 7th edition 40k) 

[Marshal Mittens]

I have no special information, but I would imagine that they want to get the core of the main armies out there in plastic, and then in Heresy 3.0 we will see army books featuring more stuff for specific legions along with plastic kits for them.

 

I imagine HH 3.0 will not release next year.

Edited September 2 by Marshal Mittens

[Marshal Rohr]

It will be the exact same rulebook with the exact same issue BUT they include the SoC missions. 

[Mr Farson]

 

It will be the exact same rulebook with the exact same issue BUT they include the SoC missions. 

Top kek 

 

You'll get the same 4 core missions for eternity 

[Noserenda]

I dont know how they managed to peak missions years ago and only get worse since? :D 

An improved zone mortalis book would be nice, incorporating boarding actions stuff in the rules too but ill bet they are just as territorial about the terrain too so SG gets ZM and 40k gets BA madness...

[Mandragola]

Luckily there's nothing stopping you using boarding actions stuff for ZM. A wall is a wall. I've got a couple of sets of into the dark plus the nice big doors from hive secundus, so could probably combine them to make a decent ZM board.

[Dwango]

Just ran a small intro ZM event on Sunday. Used both types of terrain and works absolutely fine. 

 

You can use all sorts of terrain types for ZM. The book talks about woods, caves and high density hab areas. We had a mix of types. 

[Waaagh?]

I hope they don't do a 3.0 overhaul.

 

HOWEVER

 

A new rulebook with the errata fixes added, some further tweaks, updated pictures and art as new models have been released and maybe some new missions would be very welcome.

 

They could even make it optional to buy by having the further rule tweaks available as a pdf to use with the current book. Those wanting the new art and new missions though would have to buy the rulebook.

[TheArtilleryman]

 

I hope they don't do a 3.0 overhaul.

 

HOWEVER

 

A new rulebook with the errata fixes added, some further tweaks, updated pictures and art as new models have been released and maybe some new missions would be very welcome.

 

They could even make it optional to buy by having the further rule tweaks available as a pdf to use with the current book. Those wanting the new art and new missions though would have to buy the rulebook.

This sounds like a perfect suggestion. 
 

Something they did once, one time when they released a new edition of WFB, was in the lead up to the release of the new edition GW gave everyone who bought the old starter box in the last few months a voucher for the new Rulebook when it got released. This is something I think they should do for all new editions. 
 

But… don’t do it here, just don’t do a new edition lol

 

Another thought is I wonder what they do with all the old books they don’t shift. They must have hundreds if not thousands of copies of old codexes and rule books that are relegated to bookends when new editions release.

[Noserenda]

yes i am fully aware of the possibilities of Zone mortalis, haing been involved in urban and jungle versions for campaign weekends, my point was we could do with support for the various kits gw already supplies

[SkimaskMohawk]

1st had a well established history of recompiling new units into books that also acted as pseudo erratas/points updates. In fact, the crusade army list came out 2 years into 1st...

[lansalt]

So in a moment of weakness I bought this book and I have it in my hands. I can confirm that it has little or no new actual significant Mechanicum content, and naming it "Space Marines, Custodes and Solar Auxilia in The Martian Civil War" would've been a lot more accurate :/