Someone want to double check me here?

[Tacitus]

UNFORGIVEN TASK FORCE DETACHMENT Grim Resolve Detachment Rule Add an additional paragraph: ‘In your Command phase, select one Adeptus Astartes unit from your army; until the start of your next Command phase, add 1 to the Objective Control characteristic of models in that unit.

 

So now you can give your Hammerfall Bunker or assorted AIRCRAFT an OC of 1?   Drop a Hammerfall next to your homefield objective, then give it OC1 during your command phase? 

[Tawnis]

RAW, that's how I would read it as well. 

[DemonGSides]

Yep.  As long as their OC isn't -, I'd say you're completely correct.

[Tacitus]

Well I'm glad the rules writers are making sure they'll still have a job after they fix a problem that created this problem. 

[DemonGSides]

I'm not sure I see it as a problem. 

 

You're blowing your whole detatchment rule every turn to give a hammerfall bunker +1 OC then I guess have fun with that, but you can accomplish the same thing (Keeping a home objective yours even without a model with OC on it) by bringing 5 regular intercessors.  Hardly a powerful thing; plus if anything comes to contest, they're probably going to flip the objective in either of the two scenarios, unless they dropped 0 OC on it as well.

And if you ever use your detatchment rule on something OTHER than the HFB, then you lose your home objective instantly (There has to be OC to control an objective) unless you stickied it.

[TheArtilleryman]

It might be good in the first one or two turns of the game, but only if you were planning to bring the bunker along anyway. Otherwise its points may be better spent elsewhere.

 

Also remember that the bunker is only 1 model, so if even 1 grot contests that objective then it is lost. Using the rule on a squad of say, 10 infiltrators would give you an extra 10 points towards contesting another objective which could easily swing the scales in any scenario where there is a challenge for it and deny your opponent a victory point at the same time.

Edited July 27 by TheArtilleryman

[Tacitus]

On 7/26/2024 at 6:28 AM, DemonGSides said:

I'm not sure I see it as a problem. 

 

You're blowing your whole detatchment rule every turn to give a hammerfall bunker +1 OC then I guess have fun with that, but you can accomplish the same thing (Keeping a home objective yours even without a model with OC on it) by bringing 5 regular intercessors.  Hardly a powerful thing; plus if anything comes to contest, they're probably going to flip the objective in either of the two scenarios, unless they dropped 0 OC on it as well.

And if you ever use your detatchment rule on something OTHER than the HFB, then you lose your home objective instantly (There has to be OC to control an objective) unless you stickied it.

Not paying attention to the unintended consequences of their rules changes is a problem.  And a problem GW has often.  

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Tacitus said:

Not paying attention to the unintended consequences of their rules changes is a problem.  And a problem GW has often.  

 

What unintended consequences?  Im still not sure what the concern is. 

[Tacitus]

On 7/27/2024 at 7:37 PM, DemonGSides said:

 

What unintended consequences?  Im still not sure what the concern is. 

Allowing Aircraft and Fortifications to suddenly score.  This isn't anywhere close to the first time their Fix did something they didn't intend for.  GW is bad at thinking "2-3 moves ahead" so to speak.  They make a change, either in a fix or a new edition, and only look at its immediate and/or as-intended uses.   They rarely look at the third+ combo piece.   Look at the mess they made with Dev Wounds as one of the most recent examples. 

[DemonGSides]

I still don't think you've made any real concern known.

 

What's wrong with letting an aircraft or fortification score if it completely takes over your detatchment identity?  I think that's a fair power trade.