Black Library Era of Ruin anthology leak

[son of the forest]

16 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said:

I just want to know if it's even still available. Hate to think we have all gone through this to find out it's already sold out.

Nothing on ebay yet so guessing not sold out 

[Watch Captain]

Somewhat reassuringly (?) there are still none up on eBay? 

[Son of Rawl]

[Robbienw]

They should just send invites like amazon do for rare stuff.  Would be random, but would avoid inevitably crashing the website.

[307kg]

39 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said:

I just want to know if it's even still available. Hate to think we have all gone through this to find out it's already sold out.

No copies have made their way to eBay yet. I take that as a good sign there’s still stock available

[Subtleknife]

13 minutes ago, 307kg said:

No copies have made their way to eBay yet. I take that as a good sign there’s still stock available

I've seen a few scalping groups confirming they have got many.

 

By the looks of things the scumbags are holding off putting them on Ebay until after they have got them. I don't think the lack of eBay listings are a sign that they haven't got any unfortunately.

Edited Tuesday at 10:50 AM by Subtleknife

[Matcap86]

1 minute ago, Subtleknife said:

I've seen a few scalping groups confirming they have got quite a few. 

 

By the looks of things people are holding off putting them on Ebay until after they have got them.

 

Blegh, scum. 

[Dried]

23 minutes ago, 307kg said:

No copies have made their way to eBay yet. I take that as a good sign there’s still stock available

Yeah but the bots will detects when the website will be up within a second.
We will take a few minutes at best. It's far enough time to buy all the stock without us noticing.

[TheVoidDragon]

2 hours ago, Subtleknife said:

 

I have just bought an LE, from a far smaller company than GW with a far larger print run. All are signed. It is entirely possible to have a larger print run and still have the books signed and numbered.

 

If the desire isn't there from GW to increase the print run and still have it signed then perhaps they should drop the signature from future series to allow for larger print runs.

 

Finally, you say it "would kind of defeat the point of them". I don't thinkfor the vast majority it would make a difference. If they print and sign 2000, or 10,000 it is still a limited run and I suspect most people would be happy to have them in their collection regardless.

 

If you truly want to keep it limited, then what is your solution for the bots? Because the current system isn't working. 

 

 

How much larger? From what I've seen of other limited edition signed books, the typical number is around the same level as what GW do, usually less. I think it's not quite right to company them to GW on the whole either, as it's specifically the Black Library publishing side of things that is relevant to this - and it's a very small part of GW overall.

 

They already make a version of the book available for those who don't care about it being signed and numbered though, that's what the ordinary hardback and paperback print runs are for.

I don't particular care about the specific numbers of them myself but I just don't think going "Just make them less rare and let everyone get them!" is really an answer as that goes against the point at least to some extent. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:58 AM by TheVoidDragon

[Subtleknife]

34 minutes ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

How much larger? From what I've seen of other limited edition signed books, the typical number is around the same level as what GW do, usually less. I think it's not quite right to company them to GW on the whole either, as it's specifically the Black Library publishing side of things that is relevant to this - and it's a very small part of GW overall.

 

They already make a version of the book available for those who don't care about it being signed and numbered though, that's what the ordinary hardback and paperback print runs are for.

I don't particular care about the specific numbers of them myself but I just don't think going "Just make them less rare and let everyone get them!" is really an answer as that goes against the point at least to some extent. 

The run is about 35,000 I believe. It is a long way off the record for signed book run which I think sits at over 100,000. Now I'm totally guessing here but I don't think GW would get anywhere near those numbers nor suggesting they should if they are signing them.

 

"They already make a version of the book"

 

That is not a solution. That is a complete cop-out. The hard copy is not a substitute for the edition we are talking about, they serve completely different purposes. I have asked how do you solve the current issue with scalpers? I have put forward a solution that would work. You don't like it, that is fine, so what is your solution because you havent offered one? The current solution clearly isn't working-or do you think it does?

 

"I don't particular care..."

 

I suspect you're in the minority with that opinion. I believe the vast majority of fans would prefer a solution that puts a nicely designed book on their shelf while also addressing the issue of scalping, something you’ve yet to offer a viable alternative for.

 

I also don't think such a change would betray the spirit of the Limited Edition series. In my view, the Siege books were created to commemorate an epic storyline and to look impressive on the shelf. That experience shouldn’t be reserved for a small few, nor should scarcity be driven by artificial limits. These aren’t hand-bound collector's tome, they’re relatively affordable £50 books.

Edited Tuesday at 12:34 PM by Subtleknife

[Son of Rawl]

They can post rumour mill on the community site, but no update about the store page

[TheHaplessHeretic]

Sold out according to someone on twitter. I'm still not able to access the site but it seems the bots got it somehow.

 

Anyone here able to get their copy?

[crimsondave]

They should do made to order with only “x” number signed then never make them again.  It would still be limited edition.  There is not a set number to be “limited edition.”  If they did it 6 months ahead of time, scalpers (some anyway) would balk at tying their money up that long.

 

That said, I do not understand how someone justifies paying the scalper prices for the books.  I’m old and have the money but it’s just the idea.  40K is just about my only hobby now that I’m too old and sorry to hunt/fish/anything that requires me to not be lazy, and there’s still no way I’d pay that.  GW could definitely do things to help dramatically but the scalpers have to have a beast to feed.

Edited Tuesday at 01:01 PM by crimsondave

[TheVoidDragon]

29 minutes ago, Subtleknife said:

The run is about 35,000 I believe. It is a long way off the record for signed book run which I think sits at over 100,000. Now I'm totally guessing here but I don't think GW would get anywhere near those numbers nor suggesting they should if they are signing them.

 

 

 

From what I can see you sometimes get authors like John Green do signed books with that sort of numbers, but those tend to be for what end up being quite mainstream best-sellers you'd find in a typical higherstreet bookshop rather than books from a quite small publisher making tie-in material to a fairly niche hobby.  If they're going to the effort of making that many signed books then that's obviously something they think is beneficial for them to do, but unfortunately for whatever reason GW doesn't put much focus on the books (they make a very small amount from them) and doesn't think it's worthwhile. 

There's also a slight difference between signing that many of the ordinary book, and specifically having higher quality, special edition hardcovers with extra features specifically made to do that with.
 

 

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That is not a solution. That is a complete cop-out. The hard copy is not a substitute for the edition we are talking about, they serve completely different purposes. I have asked how do you solve the current issue with scalpers? I have put forward a solution that would work. You don't like it, that is fine, so what is your solution because you havent offered one? The current solution clearly isn't working-or do you think it does?

 

 

You put forward a "solution" that is also a book that serves a different purpose, either one that just isn't signed/numbered at all, or just making them less rare. That isn't addressing the actual issue, that's just swapping out the book for a different product that does a different thing.
 

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I think you would be in the minority when it comes to your opinion. I think the vast majority would prefer a solution that gets a book with a nice cover on their shelf and mitigates the scalping problem—something you have not provided a solution for.

 

 

The queue system obviously doesn't work. They still manage to buy all the books.

Making them available only in-stores just causes further difficulty in getting them

 

A non-signed/numbered version would be nice for those who aren't bothered about those things, but for those who are the problem would still be there.

 

A larger print run of several times more than current would make them more available, but it would be diluting that whole limited numbered aspect of it and I expect even if they doubled the amount, it still wouldn't be enough. 2400 or so already seems a fairly large amount compared to how many signed and numbered limited edition books by publishers like Folio society tend to make, some of them only get a few hundred. 

 

A made-to-order is both just a huge task and just defeats the point of doing a signed/numbered book in the first place.

Of course everyone would like some sort of magic solution that makes it so this is no longer a problem, but that doesn't mean there's some easy answer to it all.

Edited Tuesday at 12:58 PM by TheVoidDragon

[Joe]

1 minute ago, Son of Rawl said:

They can post rumour mill on the community site, but no update about the store page

 

Almost every article is a pre-scheduled post. That and they likely don't have an update to share at this time.

[Robbienw]

If it was mostly aquired by bots they'll probably cancel all the bot orders again.

[Lord Marshal]

21 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

If it was mostly aquired by bots they'll probably cancel all the bot orders again.

 

I bet a big part of the problem in this case will be people who are genuinely not bots, and may not ordinarily scalp, but have since seen that buying and reselling one of these books is essentially free money.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 01:21 PM by Lord Marshal

[ZeroWolf]

Yeah, it's worth mentioning that every article is prewritten, often weeks in advance and then set to a timer. Only times when that doesn't happen, is when something goes spectacularly wrong. For examples of this, look at the Leagues of Votann launch and the very quick withdrawal of the Horus Hersey 3.0 countdown.

[m_r_parker]

I just got back from my local store. Got there at 08:30, was third in the line. Long story short - nobody got a copy. Store Terminal was only an advantage whilst the queue was as in place, which didn’t last. 
Hoping that if scalpers managed to get some, that their orders are cancelled. I’m also hoping for a physical release at WHW.

[Robbienw]

16 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

I bet a big part of the problem in this case will be people who are genuinely not bots, and may not ordinarily scalp, but have since seen that buying and reselling one of these books is essentially free money.

 

 

 

True.  And there is no way you can account for this as you don't know peoples intentions for a single order.

[Subtleknife]

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From what I can see you sometimes get authors like John Green do signed books with that sort of numbers, but those tend to be for what end up being quite mainstream best-sellers you'd find in a typical higherstreet bookshop rather than books from a quite small publisher making tie-in material to a fairly niche hobby.  If they're going to the effort of making that many signed books then that's obviously something they think is beneficial for them to do, but unfortunately for whatever reason GW doesn't put much focus on the books (they make a very small amount from them) and doesn't think it's worthwhile. 

That wouldn't be a problem with the solution I've put forward. The pre order would guarantee any book printed is already sold. And it is clear it may be possible to sign books in greater numbers than in currently do.

 

Hell I'm not even hard over on what they do, as long as it addresses the current issue. Doing nothing isn't a solution. 

 

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There's also a slight difference between signing that many of the ordinary book, and specifically having higher quality, special edition hardcovers with extra features specifically made to do that with.

This is a £50 book that could be mass produced. This isn't a handbound real leather tome. Let's not confuse it with those truly exclusive pieces you can get outside of 40k. So no I don't agree there is much of a difference.

 

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You put forward a "solution" that is also a book that serves a different purpose, either one that just isn't signed/numbered at all, or just making them less rare. That isn't addressing the actual issue, that's just swapping out the book for a different product that does a different thing.

I am sorry but what you are suggesting is completely false. Most people are buying these book because of its look. They arent buting it as an investment etc. There is no reason why a larger run can't be numbered and potentially signed. 

 

What I have said addresses the problem directly. Potentially, if the run was extremely large they might have to drop the signature—but I doubt the majority would care. 

 

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2400 or so already seems a fairly large amount compared to how many signed and numbered limited edition books by publishers like Folio society tend to make, some of them only get a few hundred. 

The Folio society books are generally a much higher quality than the £50 books GW are producing here. And the ones at the same price point generally arent as limited-although they dont have signatures etc. If we are talking about their LEs specifically, they arent really comparable.

 

For instance they generally individually design and illustrate the hardback taking years to come to fruition. They then individually number the books. Often they are also hand bound etc. I'm not sure GW LEs, however nice, are quite in the same league.

 

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A made-to-order is both just a huge task and just defeats the point of doing a signed/numbered book in the first place.

Except that isn't true. A made to order run allows everyone to get a copy in the special edition case, that can be numbered, potentially signed, and look good on people's shelves. All the while, avoiding the issue of scalpers hoovering up the entire supply. I would guess most people are buying these as they are fans of the stories and they want something that will look nice.

 

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Of course everyone would like some sort of magic solution that makes it so this is no longer a problem, but that doesn't mean there's some easy answer to it all.

So I take it, after asking for one a few times now, you don't have a solution. I think that says it all really.

 

This looks like it might go around in circles, so I hope you can forgive me for bowing out here.

Edited Tuesday at 01:55 PM by Subtleknife

[307kg]

The site is still down, but when I refreshed the page, it prompted me to verify that I was human. I’m not sure why this wasn’t implemented earlier, but it seems they’re now rolling out some form of user authentication.…

[OpossumStrong]

3 minutes ago, 307kg said:

The site is still down, but when I refreshed the page, it prompted me to verify that I was human. I’m not sure why this wasn’t implemented earlier, but it seems they’re now rolling out some form of user authentication.…

Yeah i just had to look for curtains and check them 

[TheHaplessHeretic]

3 minutes ago, 307kg said:

The site is still down, but when I refreshed the page, it prompted me to verify that I was human. I’m not sure why this wasn’t implemented earlier, but it seems they’re now rolling out some form of user authentication.…

 

Got the same thing. Dare we hope that there's a chance after all?

[Watch Captain]

Perhaps they should use the Captcha style method to verify but use obscure GW images to weed out the scalpers?