Horus Heresy Legion Melee Weapons Upgrade Set

[Mr Farson]

 

 

Why would they release a box of Terminator upgrades when the Terminators haven't been resculpted, and the upgrade kits for the old ones already exist?

 

Are you suggesting they release a pack and then sculpt/release a new pack for the inevitable new Terminators? Or just release a pack for the new scale that hasn't even come out yet

 

Why do you assume the terminators will get updated when the only model that was inscale with the new size was discontinued and replaced with model scaled to current models?

 

The current "Terminator upgrade kits" were designed for the previous resin iterations and are  smaller than the plastic limbs. Their attachment points are also out of whack with how the plastics are angled which leads to very unusual poses without work.

 

I've built 30 of termies with those arms so I know what I'm on about with these.

 

Thole termie upgrades should've have been updated when the plastics came out in the first place.

[Joe]

My favourite part of the Q&As at WHFest 2023 was when prompted over the size discrepancy between newer and older Terminators, the panel hosts turned around and said "the team know that there's a size discrepancy between the new Indomitus Terminators in Warhammer 40,000 and the older plastic Terminators in the Horus Heresy. Don't worry, they'll be sorting that out."

[Waaagh?]

 

 

Sometimes, simply taking a good design and changing the medium is exactly what a kit needs. Changing things for the sake of it doesn't automatically make them good either.

 

 

And I'd sure as :cuss: rather work with plastic over finecast. 

[HeadlessCross]

 

 

Yea, ideally they could have just flipped the CAD file and made 5x left and 5x right handed bp's + swords. That would make the kit 11/10. 

Nah. The Marine range is so bloated with only right hand pistol left hand melee weapon that it's unnecessary. Look at the current Berserker Marine kit. Absolutely absurdity. 

 

Which does make me bring up the fact there's little Marines holding a Bolter/Bolt Rifle left handed. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

@Marshal Rohr Sounds reasonable to me. I'm thinking ten boxes myself. 

 

@Antarius I recommend the Imperial Fists. Fantastic character traits, a beautiful, complex and stoic Primarch, gorgeous colour scheme, great rules and each one of them is an absolute chad. 

 

I love this release. Fantastic. Price wise I'd like it to be cheap but I'll happily pay £50 a box. I'm just so darn HAPPY. 

 

FOR THE EMPEROR!

[Mr Farson]

 

 

Sometimes, simply taking a good design and changing the medium is exactly what a kit needs. Changing things for the sake of it doesn't automatically make them good either.

 

 

I take it you use a brick phone then?

 

An updated resculpt is not a selling point, it's the minimum acceptable level for a release. 

 

Going back to the striking scorpions, the precious iterations replaced one part models and added several new wargear options. When they came out they weren't praised for their update in looks they were lauded for their new wargear option's.

 

The new ones offer nothing beyond being in plastic which is an absolute embarrassing state of affairs for 2024

[HeadlessCross]

 

Accurate take

 

People praise mediocre releases far too easily

 

Gw puts out plenty of low effort mediocre kits and this is one of them

 

Take the plastic striking scorpions, a plastic remake that adds nothing new to the kit, a mediocre release.

 

Compare that to the new vespid that received a visual re design along with new unit options alongside weapons, an good release.

 

The mere act of converting something to plastic doesn't mean it's "good" 

 

 

Vespid and Striking Scorpions are straight up model kits though. A weapon kit is something that has been demanded for a long time and something GW hasn't done in forever. 

 

What would it take for you to say it's a good release?

[Mr Farson]

 

Vespid and Striking Scorpions are straight up model kits though. A weapon kit is something that has been demanded for a long time and something GW hasn't done in forever. 

 

What would it take for you to say it's a good release?

 

 

For it to have come out alongside the special and heavy weapons 

 

Missing charnabl weapons added, drop the plasma pistols, right handed power fists and power swords.

 

Weapons that are two handed to have a one handed option in addition.

 

Increase the number of heavy chain blades or offer a second kit / sprue etc which is two handed weapons in bulk.

 

Terminator melee weapons and arms as a kit / sprue etc 

 

 

Pie in the sky

 

Mirrored weapons and arms with chain axes and a few very fancy weapons for paragon blades

 

 

[Robbienw]

Terminators are blatantly going to get rescaled kits a bit further down the line, no chance of them doing a terminator one until they come out.

Edited October 3 by Robbienw

[Vassakov]

This thread is starting to remind me of the aphorism that Magic: The Gathering players would complain if Wizards put $20 notes in booster packs that they were folded wrong...

[HeadlessCross]

 

 

 

For it to have come out alongside the special and heavy weapons 

 

Missing charnabl weapons added, drop the plasma pistols, right handed power fists and power swords.

 

Weapons that are two handed to have a one handed option in addition.

 

Increase the number of heavy chain blades or offer a second kit / sprue etc which is two handed weapons in bulk.

 

Terminator melee weapons and arms as a kit / sprue etc 

 

 

Pie in the sky

 

Mirrored weapons and arms with chain axes and a few very fancy weapons for paragon blades

 

 

Sooooooooo you wanted an unfocused upgrade kit? LOL

[Ahzek451]

Generally speaking for most Legions this is a really nice set. Kudos to GW. However, I likely will skip out and hope for some legion specific weapon boxes down the road. As a T.sons player, would prefer to have power weapons in the shape of a kopesh, staves, aether fire weapons, etc. 

[Waaagh?]

 

Generally speaking for most Legions this is a really nice set. Kudos to GW. However, I likely will skip out and hope for some legion specific weapon boxes down the road. As a T.sons player, would prefer to have power weapons in the shape of a kopesh, staves, aether fire weapons, etc. 

 

You will get them but in resin. They've already done two legions.

[Astartes Consul]

 

Generally speaking for most Legions this is a really nice set. Kudos to GW. However, I likely will skip out and hope for some legion specific weapon boxes down the road. As a T.sons player, would prefer to have power weapons in the shape of a kopesh, staves, aether fire weapons, etc. 

 

Will be interesting to see what happens with the ‘Armoury of…’ sets. The two so far - Blood Angels and Sons of Horus - both have a wide range of weapons available.
 

But other legions either have only  one special type of weapon - Ultramarines and Death Guard - or none, just as Iron Hands. Of course that might change with future Campaign books. 

[Waaagh?]

 

 

Will be interesting to see what happens with the ‘Armoury of…’ sets. The two so far - Blood Angels and Sons of Horus - both have a wide range of weapons available.
 

But other legions either have only  one special type of weapon - Ultramarines and Death Guard - or none, just as Iron Hands. Of course that might change with future Campaign books. 

 

They still might see themed bolters alongside special ranged weapons in their sets. The armoury sets cover both ranged and melee.

 

DG for example would come with a few bolters with DG icons, then some scythes and alchemy flamers.

 

 

 

 

 

[Schrödingers Primarch]

 

This thread is starting to remind me of the aphorism that Magic: The Gathering players would complain if Wizards put $20 notes in booster packs that they were folded wrong...

It's pretty embarrassing that some members of the Horus Heresy community constantly complain about not getting the toy of their choice. The Horus Heresy is doing great and selling enough to keep expanding a range of miniatures that already has more depth than most full game systems. Generally if people are not happy with what's available, convert a miniature and make it your own. 

Super excited to pick up multiple of these kits and flesh out some despoiler & veteran squads. Hopefully we see more melee based lists or legions in the future, now that you can procure the bits outside of warhammer.com.

 

Edited October 3 by Schrödingers Primarch

[Tyriks]

This is excellent. Hope we don't have to wait long for release!

[SkimaskMohawk]

 

Sorry to be salty but they're not world eaters specific as noted elsewhere in here. That said, the upgrade packs are £24 and likely contain enough axes for 5 guys and a slew of bits.

 

Again, I know I'm likely being unreasonable, but when it's a literal objectively better free upgrade you're punished for not taking, it's ridiculous not to have them for sale in a palatable manner when you need dozens.

 

Instead I guess I'll continue with counts-as that everyone has an axe even if they've got a chainsword.

 

Outside of the world eaters you see them available as stock for reavers (which the kit comes with), an option for terror marines, and an option for the wolves and sons of horus inductii. Maybe they're 1/5 or unit-wide options for exemplary battle units. But even so, they're the definition of legion-specific special weapons; we'll probably see a new upgrade pack for world eaters like SoH and BA already got.

 

It's also worth mentioning that the world eaters are very much not balanced around free chain axes. It's certainly useful and helps the math, but the strength of the legion comes from the bonus attacks in the charge that can never be disrupted, the rampagers and their special weapons, and the bonuses from either of their special rites of war. You can make a fantastic army without swapping in any chainaxes.

Edited October 3 by SkimaskMohawk

[DarkChaplain]

That's a really chunky set, I didn't expect the variety, or the amount of pieces in the box.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Legion specific stuff will come in the future. This is a great set for doing 'vanilla' and providing plenty of options for Sergeants and kitbashing etc.

 

This is a great release. 

[Marshal Mittens]

I am very suprised, in a good way. These are great and I need like 4 boxes. 

 

Would have loved to see chain axes too, but this is a very good kit. 

Edited October 3 by Marshal Mittens

[LittlePlasticHomies]

I don’t see any mention of material - any idea of these are resin or plastic? Also, anybody know if these will fit primaris marines or does the aquilla really get in the way?

[Marshal Loss]

I think it's a great kit overall - far better than I'd feared even if a little less than I'd hoped for. Putting aside that this absolutely should have been a core release accompanying 2.0, my only real criticism is that I'd prefer not to see sprue space used on things like 10 bare heads in a melee weapon pack. Much prefer to receive bits like that dotted throughout subsequent infantry kits. But the weapons look good and it shouldn't be too problematic to accumulate the numbers of specific weapons I'm looking for through bits sites and weapon swapping.

 

Hopefully it's released promptly as I'd love to have this in hand ASAP

[Sky Potato]

I’d have been much happier with matching right handed pistols than the heads.

 

One kit could have made despoilers AND destroyers. Missed opportunity.

 

I’ll still grab at least three boxes at launch though.

Edited October 3 by Sky Potato

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

@LittlePlasticHomies These are plastic. 

 

No idea if they suit Primaris but i have seen cool conversions using HH heavy/special weapons on Primaris.