Horus Heresy Legion Melee Weapons Upgrade Set

[Astartes Consul]

 

I’d have been much happier with matching right handed pistols than the heads.

 

One kit could have made despoilers AND destroyers. Missed opportunity.

 

I’ll still grab at least three boxes at launch though.

 

Yeah but then who is going to buy a plastic Destroyer Squad kit some time in 2028 when its released?

[DuskRaider]

 

 

Yeah but then who is going to buy a plastic Destroyer Squad kit some time in 2028 when it’s released?

That’ll actually be the Destroyer Weapons Upgrade Kit, the bodies themselves will be released two years prior and you’ll have to utilize the legs from one of the older kits. 

Edited October 3 by DuskRaider

[LameBeard]

 

 

It's also worth mentioning that the world eaters are very much not balanced around free chain axes. It's certainly useful and helps the math, but the strength of the legion comes from the bonus attacks in the charge that can never be disrupted, the rampagers and their special weapons, and the bonuses from either of their special rites of war. You can make a fantastic army without swapping in any chainaxes.

Interesting. Maybe if you get 5 minutes you would sketch such a list in the Horus Heresy sub-forum. There are already a few ideas floating around but they seem very extreme tournament lists to me, and probably aren’t going to feature the simple footsloggers I’m building…

[Marshal Rohr]

 

That’ll actually be the Destroyer Weapons Upgrade Kit, the bodies themselves will be released two years prior and you’ll have to utilize the legs from one of the older kits. 

Brutal 

 

I’m sure we will get Destroyers before then!

[DuskRaider]

 

Brutal 

 

I’m sure we will get Destroyers before then!

Yeah, hopefully. I guess. I don’t know, I haven’t played HH 28mm in years so I don’t care anymore lol. 

[ThePenitentOne]

The only marines that interest me are the Chambers Militant of the Inquisition... But I love the drawing-the-sword arm set. It gives me Iado/ Iajutsu joy.

 

Not gonna buy a box for that bit, but would I ever love a set of those arms.

[Indy Techwisp]

 

The only marines that interest me are the Chambers Militant of the Inquisition... But I love the drawing-the-sword arm set. It gives me Iado/ Iajutsu joy.

 

Not gonna buy a box for that bit, but would I ever love a set of those arms.

 

You'll probably find this stuff on Bits sites pretty quickly after it launches, so getting just the Drawing Sword is doable.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

 

The only marines that interest me are the Chambers Militant of the Inquisition... But I love the drawing-the-sword arm set. It gives me Iado/ Iajutsu joy.

Lol, you know what? I've been practicing iaijutsu for 20 years and teaching it for 15 and that never occurred to me. It just felt like a badass drawing a bigass chopper. But now I like it even more.

[Urauloth]

This is a really nice set, better than I expected.

 

Also a step closer to my dream of Death Guard with pikes...

[OttoVonAwesome]

It is a bit dissapointing they didn't have more chainswords in sheathes. 

[INKS]

really cool kit, I think it would mix pretty well into 40k, kill team, whatever. looks good.

 

looking for curved lighting claws but these don't look too bad

Edited October 4 by INKS

[TheArtilleryman]

It’s a bit of a shame there is such a firm response to those who don’t like the kit. People can have an opinion, and objectively if you look at this it is definitely reasonable to be picky about the contents of the box when you are potentially going to pay upwards of 30 quid for a box of tiny plastic swords that anyone outside of the Warhammer community would say is totally ridiculous. Sometimes we can have a very different concept of value when it comes to this hobby than we would for anything else.
 

It’s cool what’s in this box but it’s definitely not perfect. If they gave you 2 more chainswords and 2 more bolt pistols, plus another 6 pairs of arms (only need 6 cos you get some on the tactical sprue), it would be considerably better because this would give you the ability to make 2 full assault squads, plus some kind of veteran unit. This would be in line with the heavy weapon boxes that give you 3 x 10 heavy weapons to be able to equip 3 squads of marines. I don’t think that is an unreasonable wish when at the end of the day you are paying the price of a full squad of models, and not actually getting any models.

Edited October 4 by TheArtilleryman

[apologist]

That's a fair point. Relative worth is just that – relative. I'm glad this kit exists, but am not really its target market.

 

Like all kits, it won't suit everyone, and I imagine many of us would make little tweaks here or there if we could. Whether that's to add more of a particular favourite at the cost of something else, or simply to tweak a particular aesthetic choice.

 

I am slightly surprised that GW didn't follow the template of the ranged boxes more closely; though whether that's a good or bad thing will likely vary depending on what your particular tastes are!

Edited October 4 by apologist

[Redcomet]

 

 

I take it you use a brick phone then?

 

An updated resculpt is not a selling point, it's the minimum acceptable level for a release. 

 

Going back to the striking scorpions, the precious iterations replaced one part models and added several new wargear options. When they came out they weren't praised for their update in looks they were lauded for their new wargear option's.

 

The new ones offer nothing beyond being in plastic which is an absolute embarrassing state of affairs for 2024

You could not be more wrong if you tried. Jes Goodwins designs for the entire Eldar range, are perfect and timeless. No changes are needed. All people wanted was them in plastic. 

[beefeb]

This might be my first GW purchase of 2024.

[Halandaar]

 

I take it you use a brick phone then?

 

Ah yes because saying that plastic toy soldiers don't have to look different from metal toy soldiers is exactly the same as saying there was no need to advance handheld technology beyond the level reached in 2003. You should actually be embarrassed by how bad this fallacy is.

 

 

An updated resculpt is not a selling point, it's the minimum acceptable level for a release. 

 

I hope the universally negative reaction to your post tells you that simply updating from metal/resin to plastic is a selling point for the majority of hobbyists. How many times have we seen people just state they aren't going to buy anything in resin, no matter how much they like the sculpt? Material is a genuine sticking point for a lot of people.

 

 

Going back to the striking scorpions, the precious iterations replaced one part models and added several new wargear options. When they came out they weren't praised for their update in looks they were lauded for their new wargear option's.

 

Basically every part of this is wrong; the "previous iteration" (i.e. the metals from late 4th Edition) didn't replace one-part models, they replaced the infamous "bucktooth" metals from 3rd edition which all had separate chainsword arms, and they absolutely were praised for their updated visual design because the 3rd edition bucktooth ones were universally derided as a downgrade from the 2nd edition originals, which is why they were replaced just a few years later. 

 

And the "several" new wargear options you mention on the 4th Edition do-over? It added the option for the Exarch to take a 2-handed biting blade instead of a claw/chainsword combo. 

 

 

The new ones offer nothing beyond being in plastic which is an absolute embarrassing state of affairs for 2024

 

Ironically, the new kit adds the same amount of new wargear combinations for the exarch as the previous version which you inexplicably seem to think was better (now can take dual blades with wrist pistols, in addition to the biting blade or blade/claw) plus two different helmet and chest options, plus bare head options for the entire squad. It adds more in the way of optional parts than any previous Scorpion kit did over it's predecessor. 

 

Anyway, thanks for bringing all this up because the 3rd Edition Striking Scorpions actually prove the point I made initially, which is that visual/style change just for it's own sake is not necessarily good. I mean just look at these things.

 

 

 

[Castellan Wulfrik]

I do wish they'd cut the heads and replaced them with right handed pistol hands, but otherwise a pretty good box that will certainly not set this place on fire when the price gets revealed. 

[AutumnEffect]

 

I hope the universally negative reaction to your post tells you that simply updating from metal/resin to plastic is a selling point for the majority of hobbyists. How many times have we seen people just state they aren't going to buy anything in resin, no matter how much they like the sculpt? Material is a genuine sticking point for a lot of people.

 

I'd just like to chime in and say that materiel is definitely a sticking point for me. I haven't bought resin or metal in years and the fact that a lot of kits I do like are resin is definitely sticking point that stops me from buying them.
A Forge World resin Chaos Dwarf army was enough for a lifetime. I still have PTSD from trying to rank them.

I'm also confused by the point about the example of the weapon options in the new Vespids release being something that makes it 'good'. The new weapon options are, in my opinion at least, pretty terrible and I am just happy that they are in plastic now.
Is it just the fact that they have new weapon options the thing that makes it a 'good' release regardless of if you'd ever even build them?

[Gorgoff]

 

Lol, you know what? I've been practicing iaijutsu for 20 years and teaching it for 15 and that never occurred to me. It just felt like a badass drawing a bigass chopper. But now I like it even more.

You'll feel like a space marine. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

 

 

Ah yes because saying that plastic toy soldiers don't have to look different from metal toy soldiers is exactly the same as saying there was no need to advance handheld technology beyond the level reached in 2003. You should actually be embarrassed by how bad this fallacy is.

 

 

I hope the universally negative reaction to your post tells you that simply updating from metal/resin to plastic is a selling point for the majority of hobbyists. How many times have we seen people just state they aren't going to buy anything in resin, no matter how much they like the sculpt? Material is a genuine sticking point for a lot of people.

 

 

Basically every part of this is wrong; the "previous iteration" (i.e. the metals from late 4th Edition) didn't replace one-part models, they replaced the infamous "bucktooth" metals from 3rd edition which all had separate chainsword arms, and they absolutely were praised for their updated visual design because the 3rd edition bucktooth ones were universally derided as a downgrade from the 2nd edition originals, which is why they were replaced just a few years later. 

 

And the "several" new wargear options you mention on the 4th Edition do-over? It added the option for the Exarch to take a 2-handed biting blade instead of a claw/chainsword combo. 

 

 

Ironically, the new kit adds the same amount of new wargear combinations for the exarch as the previous version which you inexplicably seem to think was better (now can take dual blades with wrist pistols, in addition to the biting blade or blade/claw) plus two different helmet and chest options, plus bare head options for the entire squad. It adds more in the way of optional parts than any previous Scorpion kit did over it's predecessor. 

 

Anyway, thanks for bringing all this up because the 3rd Edition Striking Scorpions actually prove the point I made initially, which is that visual/style change just for it's own sake is not necessarily good. I mean just look at these things.

 

 

 

I have those SS and they are notorious for falling over all the time. A pain in the butt.

[Varyn]

This looks like a great kit, so much more than I was expecting. 

 

Yes it could have been released sooner, yes it could have another 75 pieces to satisfy everyone's individual whims, but to be honest, this is an absolute slam dunk. 

 

Anyone who collected heresy armies prior to 2.0 knows how much of a pain it was to get melee weapons and arms, this is a godsend.

 

In summary, this as an awesome boon and to all the negative nelly's...

 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Surprised certain users aren't here hurling insults about entitlement. Somewhat surprised mods are being so tolerant of different opinions as well. 

 

Of course it isn't a perfect release but it is still a great release and for the majority of people this is really going to open up modelling and army building by giving us lots of choices for our Veterans and Despoilers etc. So much kitbashing potential here too. It's GW so of course it will be pricy. 

 

You can't please everyone all of the time but I think GW have made a really solid kit that will satisfy a lot of people. 

 

And Legion specific stuff will more than likely arrive down the road. 

 

I tip my hat to GW and will be looking at getting at least 10 boxes myself. 

[Xirix]

 

And Legion specific stuff will more than likely arrive down the road. 

 

 

Not even more than likely, last stream they said Legion specific stuff in plastic once enough/all the legion-agnostic stuff is done for Marines.

[Petitioner's City]

 

Not even more than likely, last stream they said Legion specific stuff in plastic once enough/all the legion-agnostic stuff is done for Marines.

 

Andy said, but it wasn't stated if it's all, or some legions, or even what these plastics might be defined as - or how long it will take (and of course what even is all the agnostic stuff - like how long is that list.

 

Heck, was it even a "might" too?

 

I feel people took a vague suggestion and maybe have read too much into it?

 

Edited October 4 by Petitioner's City

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

This arrival of the melee weapon sprue has been so well received that anything trying to rival it would need to be nothing short of the second coming of the Emperor.