Kill Team Announced: Kill Team Starter [ex-Rumour] (SM vs DG)

[lhg033]

Perhaps another part of the MDF terrain is the fact it can be outsourced - less train on GW's production capabilities when they are already struggling to make enough plastics for everything as it is.

The more I think on this the more I feel this boxset is not for me. I will enjoy the models included vicariously through the projects I see come up here

[Urauloth]

2 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

Is that based on 3rd party discounts or full GW price 

GW, at least. Retailers are still a lifeline!

[TheArtilleryman]

Now it’s been officially put up for pre-order, I have to say I think this is a great deal. £67.50 from GW means £54 from your favourite third-party retailer. That’s a steal, as far as stuff like this goes. 

[Halandaar]

On 10/21/2024 at 11:37 PM, Urauloth said:

£50 for a box of 10 models is pretty painful.

 

14 Models, 2 of which are characters which would probably sell for £22-£26 apiece if released separately.

 

 

 

On 10/26/2024 at 2:13 PM, TheArtilleryman said:

Now it’s been officially put up for pre-order, I have to say I think this is a great deal. £67.50 from GW means £54 from your favourite third-party retailer. That’s a steal, as far as stuff like this goes. 

 

Right - even at face value the two sets of minis retailed at about £45 per set when available. So the box is saving you 25% versus that amount, plus obviously there's the game contents too. 

[TheMawr]

8 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

 

14 Models, 2 of which are characters which would probably sell for £22-£26 apiece if released separately.

 

 

 

3, at least

- The space marine captain, the Deathguard sorcerer and the Deathguard standardbearer ( it became its own character this edition, but always was a seperate release even when it was part of the PM datasheet.. altough the small icon counted as the same thing then.) the last 2 being imho better than the standalones.

 

I say at least because to my eyes ( and a missed oppurtunity on GWs side.) this variant of the plague champion reads much more as a chaos lord than an unit champion ( I will admit I dont know if the loadout matches, or if it requires kitbashing in wich case it doesnt count.) wich is also a deathguard datasheet albeit without a bespoke model.

 

[LSM]

35 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

I say at least because to my eyes ( and a missed oppurtunity on GWs side.) this variant of the plague champion reads much more as a chaos lord than an unit champion ( I will admit I dont know if the loadout matches, or if it requires kitbashing in wich case it doesnt count.) wich is also a deathguard datasheet albeit without a bespoke model.

 

DG Lord can do Plasma Pistol + Plague Encrusted Exalted Weapon. You'd just need to put him on a 40mm base.

 

(Which might be tricky, IIRC a lot of those models have their feet sculpted onto their bases. I hate when GW does that.)

[TheMawr]

19 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

DG Lord can do Plasma Pistol + Plague Encrusted Exalted Weapon. You'd just need to put him on a 40mm base.

 

(Which might be tricky, IIRC a lot of those models have their feet sculpted onto their bases. I hate when GW does that.)

 

Ah yes, there is that

While its easy enough to ply of the pin, it then doesnt really count imho ( after all, one could make a lord from plague marines too with minimal work.) still think its a good basis character for a chaos lord, just shouldnt really count for the value then.

[CL_Mission]

I was a little surprised the the teams were still on individual sprues. We've seen GW cut models out of sprues with other models and make them their own solo kit so I kinda expected them to do the reverse with this one. Perhaps it's something to do with them coming on those funky round sprues?

[Craig]

I really like the precedent this sets. MDF terrain for future starter sets and boxed games is a winner. Space Hulk with MDF hallways, 11th edition with flat-pack scatter terrain etc. Premium terrain is great to have but shouldn't really be necessary in starter sets aimed at getting new players to the tabletop easily.

Also, that they are using the heroes models for boxed games now gets my hopes up they can use the terminator ones for a Space Hulk revival.

[LittlePlasticHomies]

On 10/21/2024 at 4:14 PM, Tastyfish said:

 

I think this is an experiment in having almost 'everything else' ready to play out of the box for starter sets

I agree with this - the arguments about plastic pellets vs mdf ignores where GW benefits from economies of scale and where it doesn’t. Their marginal cost for N+1 plastic terrain will basically be zero because they purchase plastic in such large quantities (they can even benefit by amortizing their fixed costs for the moulds across multiple lines). They have no access to the benefits of scale when using third party partners.

[Urauloth]

5 hours ago, Halandaar said:

 

14 Models, 2 of which are characters which would probably sell for £22-£26 apiece if released separately.

 

 

I meant the reboxed Kill Teams like Phobos and Legionaries, based on the € price. It's not as bad as I expected, though.

[INKS]

I have a separate thread on killteam and the cost of wave two.  The prices are pretty bad.  Oddly enough they are bad enough to make this seem like an awesome deal 

[TheArtilleryman]

6 hours ago, Halandaar said:

 

Right - even at face value the two sets of minis retailed at about £45 per set when available. So the box is saving you 25% versus that amount, plus obviously there's the game contents too. 

And that’s also without having to blind buy them, but just getting the whole lot in one go.

Edited October 26 by TheArtilleryman

[Antarius]

17 hours ago, CL_Mission said:

I was a little surprised the the teams were still on individual sprues. We've seen GW cut models out of sprues with other models and make them their own solo kit so I kinda expected them to do the reverse with this one. Perhaps it's something to do with them coming on those funky round sprues?

I think the idea is that these sprues are made in a way that allows you to remove the models without using a knife or pliers, so you don’t need any tools at all. Now, I’d obviously use my hobby tools to remove them anyway,  but for a starter set where the idea is that you really don’t need anything except for what’s in the box, it makes a certain amount of sense.

[Jukkiz]

41 minutes ago, Antarius said:

I think the idea is that these sprues are made in a way that allows you to remove the models without using a knife or pliers, so you don’t need any tools at all. Now, I’d obviously use my hobby tools to remove them anyway,  but for a starter set where the idea is that you really don’t need anything except for what’s in the box, it makes a certain amount of sense.

The round sprues woudl indicate gundam style factories are making these. I´ve rarely, if ever, seen square sprues in atleast, bandais gundam kits

[lansalt]

21 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

The round sprues woudl indicate gundam style factories are making these

The Space Marine Heroes minis are all like that, but still marked as Made in the UK. It sems like a deliberate design decision just like the sculpted bases.

[Mandragola]

I’m torn on this one. Yes on the face of it it’s a good deal for the models, but I don’t know if it’s the best way into kill team. It doesn’t give you the full rules for the game *or* the equipment dossier. The terrain is nice but is not a full killzone. You don’t get the approved cards or the equipment sprue.
 

All that stuff *is* in hivestorm. That truly is a game in a box. This box is a fairly good way to get two whole kill teams for a decent price. But to play kill team you’d need to spend a lot more on all the stuff you get in hivestorn. 

[Antarius]

2 hours ago, lansalt said:

The Space Marine Heroes minis are all like that, but still marked as Made in the UK. It sems like a deliberate design decision just like the sculpted bases.

Yeah, they mentioned somewhere (although regrettably, I can't remember where) that it's to make the models easier to remove from the sprues without tools.

[DemonGSides]

22 hours ago, LSM said:

 

DG Lord can do Plasma Pistol + Plague Encrusted Exalted Weapon. You'd just need to put him on a 40mm base.

 

(Which might be tricky, IIRC a lot of those models have their feet sculpted onto their bases. I hate when GW does that.)

 

Not tricky at all, just glue the base to the top of a 40mm base.  I've done exactly this with this exact model to make it a Chaos Lord; threw some more bits on the base to mask that it's two bases stacked on top of each other and it even helps elevate it to be an obvious more centerpiece model.

[Urauloth]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Not tricky at all, just glue the base to the top of a 40mm base.  I've done exactly this with this exact model to make it a Chaos Lord; threw some more bits on the base to mask that it's two bases stacked on top of each other and it even helps elevate it to be an obvious more centerpiece model.

Curious how this looks, do you have a pic? Sounds like a useful trick.

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Urauloth said:

Curious how this looks, do you have a pic? Sounds like a useful trick.

 

Definitely!  I will post a pic when I get back home. 

[INKS]

FYI. Because I did not know this either 

the rules are fully downloaded 

so these starter rules get you playing and then you are supposed to go and download the full rules 

 

can someone confitm the equipment dossier is online?

 

as for those models. The ladders and grenades and so on. You only need 1/2 the kit. Sadly you need 2 ladders and it only comes with 2 so you can’t split the box 

 

all the xtra cards and stuff is just extra. You could make your own and save a ton of money 

Edited October 27 by INKS

[DemonGSides]

10 hours ago, Urauloth said:

Curious how this looks, do you have a pic? Sounds like a useful trick.

 

They are definitely taller than normal; the champion is the guy in the left who I thought I finished his base but I was mistaken. Guy on the right is a homemade Biologus Purifier, and he stands a bit higher as well cuz of the base shenanigans.  I'm not too upset about a lil extra height. They're definitely taller but I like important models to be a lil taller so they draw the eye.

 

Theyll get painted... Someday... For sure!

[Cyrox]

I ended up caving and bought this set - the value when considering a thrid party discount is too hard to ignore

 

Might finally do that Under sea Plague Marine Kill Team I've always wanted to do after seeing the Dredge marine stuff.

[ThePenitentOne]

18 hours ago, INKS said:

FYI. Because I did not know this either 

the rules are fully downloaded 

so these starter rules get you playing and then you are supposed to go and download the full rules 

 

can someone confitm the equipment dossier is online?

 

as for those models. The ladders and grenades and so on. You only need 1/2 the kit. Sadly you need 2 ladders and it only comes with 2 so you can’t split the box 

 

all the xtra cards and stuff is just extra. You could make your own and save a ton of money 

 

The Universal Equipment PDF is online. 

 

However, I don't think you can really call the online rules "Full rules" either. They are Lite (SIC) rules. They contain no secondaries (Tac Ops?) or Missions (though there is one mission posted in a separate document). They don't include any terrain rules beyond basic cover. The enviromental/ solo play rules aren't include, and for the time being (at least), Spec -Ops campaign play has been removed from the game.

 

Basically, unless you got Hivestorm which included the BRB, GW will do their level best to make you buy that book regardless of whatever else you buy. It is technically possible to play something close to the real game without it, but you'll be getting bored pretty quickly.