New Fuegan Miniature

[Mogger351]

2 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Eldar are closer to summer and might be late winter/ early spring. Summer is for the Wolves (rumoured)

Yeah, I can't imagine GW dropping big range refreshes in Jan and Feb, so I imagine guard/eldar will stretch until end of March possibly to allow room for some other stuff.

 

Knights are next, they'll be the splash release in April. Maybe EC in May? June is down as the HH new edition/box.

 

So in the back half of the edition we still get:

- Wolves

- BT

- GK

- DG

- Tsons

- WE

- Chaos Knights

- Drukhari

- Votann

- Daemons(?)

 

Unless I missed some?

 

So even at 1 a month they're going to finish within 3 months of 11 booting off. But I suspect it won't be one a month unless it's an average due to a couple of months without a codex and a couple with a dual release maybe.

[Halandaar]

28 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Yeah, I can't imagine GW dropping big range refreshes in Jan and Feb, so I imagine guard/eldar will stretch until end of March possibly to allow room for some other stuff.

 

All these ranges went up for preorder in full (except Eldar in 2022) during January or February of the respective year:

• 2024 Old World Bretonnians & Tomb Kings, AoS Flesheater Courts, 40K Dark Angels
• 2023 AoS Slaves to Darkness, 40K Astra Militarum and 40K World Eaters
• 2022 40K Eldar* (wave 1 , rest came in March)
• 2021 AoS Hedonites of Slaanesh
• 2020 40K Adepta Sororitas
• 2019 AoS Gloomspite Gitz

So yeah, it's perfectly feasible the a big range of Guard or Eldar (or even both!) could be out by the time March begins. Christmas money at the ready!

Edited October 25 by Halandaar

[DeadFingers]

38 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Yeah, I can't imagine GW dropping big range refreshes in Jan and Feb

But the last big Guard wave dropped at the end of January 2023?

 

There's so many things scheduled for next year I don't think they can really afford to be skipping any months. Even if Guard, Eldar, Emperor's Children and Space Wolves are the "only" big releases for 40k and the rest just get their Codex and mandatory single model, that's still plenty. And like you said, there's also supposed to be a significant HH release. And that's without even counting AoS, which just had a new edition drop and also needs to start pumping out books, and supposedly has big things coming for Death and other factions, rumours of Chaos Dwarfs, Cities of Sigmar, and others. And all of this is assuming the rumoured Votann second wave is not happening in 2025. And without counting Kill Team, Warcry and other games, which also have regular releases.

 

So yeah, I really don't think they can afford to play it slow and do "off months" if they truly intend to release all that within the span of 12 months. Specially with the 2 weeks preorder time still going, which usually means the following week after a big release is something minor.

Edited October 25 by DeadFingers

[Mogger351]

28 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

 

All these ranges went up for preorder in full (except Eldar in 2022) during January or February of the respective year:

• 2024 Old World Bretonnians & Tomb Kings, AoS Flesheater Courts, 40K Dark Angels
• 2023 AoS Slaves to Darkness, 40K Astra Militarum and 40K World Eaters
• 2022 40K Eldar* (wave 1 , rest came in March)
• 2021 AoS Hedonites of Slaanesh
• 2020 40K Adepta Sororitas
• 2019 AoS Gloomspite Gitz

So yeah, it's perfectly feasible the a big range of Guard or Eldar (or even both!) could be out by the time March begins. Christmas money at the ready!

 

20 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

But the last big Guard wave dropped at the end of January 2023?

 

There's so many things scheduled for next year I don't think they can really afford to be skipping any months. Even if Guard, Eldar, Emperor's Children and Space Wolves are the "only" big releases for 40k and the rest just get their Codex and mandatory single model, that's still plenty. And like you said, there's also supposed to be a significant HH release. And that's without even counting AoS, which just had a new edition drop and also needs to start pumping out books, and supposedly has big things coming for Death and other factions, rumours of Chaos Dwarfs, Cities of Sigmar, and others. And all of this is assuming the rumoured Votann second wave is not happening in 2025. And without counting Kill Team, Warcry and other games, which also have regular releases.

 

So yeah, I really don't think they can afford to play it slow and do "off months" if they truly intend to release all that within the span of 12 months. Specially with the 2 weeks preorder time still going, which usually means the following week after a big release is something minor.

You might both be right, but I mean they're evidently taking the foot off now, so if they were in a mad rush  3-4 month gap now doesn't make sense either.

 

I hope you're both right, it might of course be that 11th is not a reset edition or actually further out (seems unlikely). When I say slow or off months I meant in the context of 40k. It's very common to have a month where a codex isn't dropped,but is usually sandwiched between a dual book month or something.

[DemonGSides]

4 hours ago, Xenith said:

 end-of-edition

 end-of-edition

 

We're almost at that time again, which is crazy. I think I've played as many games of 40k this edition as I used to play each month in 9th. 

 

I think we're literally, at a minimum, over a year and a half away from this, and I expect if they do 11th that soon, it'll be more of a "We put the FAQs into the Core Rule Book and have a new big box to sell you" as opposed to a 8th/10th paradigm shift.

Idk how much work you're intending "almost" to do here, but I do not consider over a year away anything close to "almost".

[Mogger351]

21 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I think we're literally, at a minimum, over a year and a half away from this, and I expect if they do 11th that soon, it'll be more of a "We put the FAQs into the Core Rule Book and have a new big box to sell you" as opposed to a 8th/10th paradigm shift.

Idk how much work you're intending "almost" to do here, but I do not consider over a year away anything close to "almost".

It's all perspective, it's the latter half which is a sign of getting closer. It also depends what you play/collect, as its not really started for some factions yet.

 

I agree we're a year away from "almost at the end" but simultaneously, half my armies are consigned to, I assume, back end of next year at best. So I've kinda written them off for this edition.

[Halandaar]

52 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

You might both be right, but I mean they're evidently taking the foot off now, so if they were in a mad rush  3-4 month gap now doesn't make sense either.

 

You have to look across the whole business, not just 40k. There's only so much production time available and GW have other systems to service, one of which is in it's edition launch year. They just put out 3 full ranges of minis in other systems (Skaven and Stormcast for AoS, Warriors of Chaos for TOW), plus Kill Team and the new LI stuff, and there's still MESBG to come before Christmas.

 

Between that and the fact that Jan/Feb is a very common time for big releases, there's no reason they couldn't put out two sizable 40k releases in that window.

 

 

 

 

 

[Metzombie]

1 hour ago, Halandaar said:

They just put out 3 full ranges of minis in other systems (Skaven and Stormcast for AoS, Warriors of Chaos for TOW), plus Kill Team and the new LI stuff, and there's still MESBG to come before Christmas.

Plus Squats for Necromunda and StD for AoS this year.

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

It's all perspective, it's the latter half which is a sign of getting closer. It also depends what you play/collect, as its not really started for some factions yet.

 

I agree we're a year away from "almost at the end" but simultaneously, half my armies are consigned to, I assume, back end of next year at best. So I've kinda written them off for this edition.

It is all perspective, and I think a lot of people could stand to get some.  I play a predominance of "index" armies, and I've been having plenty of fun playing 10th.  Writing it off because you didn't get an early codex is a weird decision.

[Cyrox]

Here we go

 

No mention of Fire Dragons, but hints a the more Phoenix Lords as rumoured 

Edited October 25 by Cyrox

[CL_Mission]

Offical article is up with some more pictures. Beautiful miniature. 

Edited October 25 by CL_Mission

[Mogger351]

6 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

It is all perspective, and I think a lot of people could stand to get some.  I play a predominance of "index" armies, and I've been having plenty of fun playing 10th.  Writing it off because you didn't get an early codex is a weird decision.

I play a lot of crusade, I have armies with no crusade rules and multiple armies who won't get any until it's too late into the edition to use them.

 

It's only fun for so long plodding along with the vanilla stuff whilst watching people marine companies move through the ranks, swarms absorbing biomass, ork warbosses building their waagh etc.

 

So yes I've been using them, i still use them but I'm not going to buy multiple books that won't see much if any use in the last year of the edition.

1 hour ago, Halandaar said:

 

You have to look across the whole business, not just 40k. There's only so much production time available and GW have other systems to service, one of which is in it's edition launch year. They just put out 3 full ranges of minis in other systems (Skaven and Stormcast for AoS, Warriors of Chaos for TOW), plus Kill Team and the new LI stuff, and there's still MESBG to come before Christmas.

 

Between that and the fact that Jan/Feb is a very common time for big releases, there's no reason they couldn't put out two sizable 40k releases in that window.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that's a circular statement, yes they can fit a lot of releases in small windows, but conversely you're also showing why it isn't likely to be more or less all 40k for 2 months imo.

[ThePenitentOne]

13 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 Writing it off because you didn't get an early codex is a weird decision.

 

Perhaps.

 

But maybe, not as weird a decision as starting the three year count down clock when only two armies have their full rules, rather than starting it once all armies have their full rules? I mean, I can have "fun" playing an index army against someone who has a full dex worth of options... But in a lot of cases, I don't think I'm having as much fun? The problem with responding in the way have is that it makes it sound like you support a 3-year edition cycle or even endorse it. And I know, that's probably not the case- very, very few players do think a 3 year edition cycle is a good thing. Disputing the choice of words they use when they say it makes it feel like there's an argument against the overall point when there probably isn't.

 

The official Fuegan announcement is up on Warcom, and I'm surprised how much it talks about Ynarri.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9gcmddz9/fuegan-a-phoenix-lord-reborn/

 

Edit: Just read @Mogger351's response about Crusade and couldn't agree more, especially since 10th has less core Crusade content than 9th did (mostly because simplifications of core rules no longer support the old content- the absence of meaningful psychic powers in 10th for examle removed an entire category of battle honours).

Edited October 25 by ThePenitentOne

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

4 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

June 2023 for 10th, likely June 2026 for 11th.

 

We know there's nothing more for 40k this year, so we've got everything for the first half of the edition. Eldar are squarely in the 2nd half of the edition and if they drop near June that'll be in the last third.

 

I hasten to remind you of the 10 or so books that we know will have likely less than a years worth of use.

 

This is sad. If I could make just one single change to GW it would be to move to a 4 year edition at a minimum (ideally 5/6 years). I really hoped that with HH, bringing back ToW and keeping LoTR that they would have enough systems to go round that they could move to four year cycles.

 

So if Fuegan is coming how many Phoneix Lords models are now left in resin/metal?

[DeadFingers]

1 minute ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

So if Fuegan is coming how many Phoneix Lords models are now left in resin/metal?

Asurmen, Baharroth and Karandras. The latter is the only one not rumoured to be coming soon.

And this is assuming we're not counting the FW one.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Can Index armies be functional; yes. Can they be fun; yes.

 

Should certain factions get less than half an edition of relevance; obviously not!

Does it make it a fairer, more balanced, more competitive experience to have an index vs codex; obviously no!

 

Is the 3 year cycle bad; Extremely!!!

 

There are no merits or benefits to a 3 year system.  

@DeadFingers Not many then. Aeldari players have had to wait a long time with their range update spread out over multiple editions but at least it is happening and the models are stellar.

[ZeroWolf]

2 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

 

This is sad. If I could make just one single change to GW it would be to move to a 4 year edition at a minimum (ideally 5/6 years). I really hoped that with HH, bringing back ToW and keeping LoTR that they would have enough systems to go round that they could move to four year cycles.

 

So if Fuegan is coming how many Phoneix Lords models are now left in resin/metal?

They appear to keep the 3 year cycle now because they run their business in 3 year cycles looking at their financial statements. Adding more games won't really change that.

 

(For what it's worth I'd say a 5 year cycle would be better, but if they've wired their company to 3...then that's what it'll be. For now)

[Halandaar]

24 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I think that's a circular statement, yes they can fit a lot of releases in small windows, but conversely you're also showing why it isn't likely to be more or less all 40k for 2 months imo.

 

Apologies, but I am not claiming that it will be "more or less all 40k for 2 months".

 

There are 8 release days across January and February; 40K only neds to take 2 of those for both factions to come out in that timeframe. That still leaves plenty of time for everything else.

 

 

[INKS]

This is kinda funny. they had no intention of showing it off yet and because of some mistakes in shipping they had to make a post today. lol

poor GW, couldn't get a proper reveal. I am sure that was a big sigh moment from someone at the company. "well guess we have to talk about it now"

 

[Scribe]

40 minutes ago, CL_Mission said:

Offical article is up with some more pictures. Beautiful miniature. 

 

Stunning.

[Mogger351]

52 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

 

Apologies, but I am not claiming that it will be "more or less all 40k for 2 months".

 

There are 8 release days across January and February; 40K only neds to take 2 of those for both factions to come out in that timeframe. That still leaves plenty of time for everything else.

 

 

Waves of that size are usually 2 releases each (even BA were) so that makes it 4/8.

[Magos Takatus]

It's frustrating to me that I could paint like a madman up until he is released and still not be ready for him to be my first priority to paint. He will 100% go on the pile, though.

[INKS]

3 minutes ago, Magos Takatus said:

It's frustrating to me that I could paint like a madman up until he is released and still not be ready for him to be my first priority to paint. He will 100% go on the pile, though.

can't imagine, what do you have to paint / is in the way?

[Jukkiz]

i feel like it´s way too clean, the dragon scales across helmet and pelt as loincloth gave it more character. This just feels exarch MOC base

[Emperor Ming]

Unless all the metal and resin Pl's will be redone in plastic, I guess some will be retired to legends?

 

Cant see them all getting new models