Old but New (seriously old... early 40k millennium!?!)

[Farva Ramathorn]

Hi

 

How old... Rogue trader and Space Hulk

 

How about mid 80's.. 

 

I'm a very incompetent painter and an even less competent player.  Way back then, it was always challenging to find someone interested in playing, it wasn't very easy to connect with like minded souls pre-interweb forums and mobile apps. All the paints took forever to dry and destroyed your brushes as soon as look at them (high toxicity destroyed a few braincells as well). However I did connect with the books. 

 

From Drachenfels & the Dark Future to Deathwing.  and yes I still have them in their very battered 1st print well read condition. 

I've got a fairly large library and recently started rereading the Horus Heresy. Unfortunately Ive also discovered how challenging it is to fill gaps in my collection hence why I'm here, that and I've always been drawn to all aspect of 40k.

 

So hello to all, my son is probably older than many, and I'd really appreciate a nod if you are an equally aged veteran.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jolemai]

Welcome to the B&C 

[WAR]

Welcome to the B&C, @Farva Ramathorn

[phandaal]

"Get this. You're Arcot Ramathorn... Ram... And I'm Rod Farva... Rod. Car Ramrod. Car Ramrod. You get it?"

 

Welcome to a fellow hobbyist of culture!

[Dr_Ruminahui]

I think you'll find a fair number of old grognards here - I too have some legs in the hobby, though not quite to the extent you do, having started with the first necromunda box set though I didn't seriously jump in until 3rd edition.  That said, I remember those old Testor brand paints (which are, or are similar to, the ones you refer), though those from building models as a teen rather than from my gaming.

[Bonehead]

Started off in  the hobby as a wee un in about '90- got leant a copy of the 40k compendium (or was it the other one?) and a couple of WDs. Tail end rogue Trader starting point.

Glad to have you aboard!

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Hello, frater! Welcome aboard!

[LameBeard]

Very happy to see someone even older than me - I started in ‘89 with Space Hulk, Blood Bowl and Rogue Trader 40k.   Check out the ‘Oldhammer’ club for some nostalgia. I think we should start a Space Hulk club too …

[Farva Ramathorn]

Oldhammer... will check it out.

 

I've just starting painting up the original Space hulk game terminators and some of the Genestealers.    Tarting them up for a family games night over the christmas week.

 

Popped into the local store on Sunday.  The guy there showed me how to assembly one of the latest space marines, can't get over how detailed they are now.  He then proceeded to give me a tutorial in dry brushing. I felt both old (I'm probably older than his dad) and young, felt like I was 12  rocking up for a weekend taster session.  

 

Only went in to see what books they had!

 

[LameBeard]

Post pictures! First edition Space Hulk was the best. 

[roryokane]

Welcome, Venerable Ancient!

[Rusted Boltgun]

Welcome!

I'm of a similar vintage with v.1 Space Hulk as my proper introduction as getting army together and finding someone to play 40k was quite a challenge. I could play Space Hulk against my Dad though!

I wish I'd still got my novels, I had Drachenfels! 

Enjoy your painting journey, are you like me and need a magnifying lamp?!!

[Farva Ramathorn]

Magnifying lamp is definitely on the xmas list.   

 

It wasn't a conscious decision to get back into the models.    An accidental journey of model aircraft assembling: spitfire>red arrow>F14 Tomcat.... (When the weathers bad, you can't beat gluing your fingers together on a Sunday afternoon with a bottle of red wine!!) ... and  my son getting the latest Space Marine Game and asking me lots of questions.  It all re-lit the old flame. 

 

And yes, my aircraft assembly went from 1/110 to 1/72 to 1/48 scale because of my eyesight

 

 

Fun fact -  I owned Space Crusade when it was first released on Amiga/PC

[Cenobite Terminator]

Welcome to the forums!

[N1SB]

On 11/25/2024 at 9:00 PM, Farva Ramathorn said:

From Drachenfels & the Dark Future to Deathwing.  and yes I still have them in their very battered 1st print well read condition. 

 

So hello to all, my son is probably older than many, and I'd really appreciate a nod if you are an equally aged veteran.

 

Brother Farva, I finally managed to beat Chainsaw Warrior.  It was the PC version, like 30 years after I played the original card set.

 

So you are far from alone.  In fact, I strongly suspect Games Workshop's recent success is from what they actually officially call "lapsed" players, or people like you and me and others that returned to The Hobby after decades.  It turns out there were way more of us returning players than the active players at the time.

 

You've been keeping up with the lore, but good news, there have been many new tricks in painting.  Less strain on the eyes and wrists.  It turns out the way we were taught to paint was very, very inefficient.  But I suspect you're just happy we get new Beakie pattern power armour and Terminator suits, like me.

 

Welcome home, Brother.

[Farva Ramathorn]

 

I will look at getting a set of the latest terminators, if only to compare directly to the 1st Gen space hulk terminators.   1st Gen look very underwhelming just comparing them to the latest ''Standard' Space Marines!

 

New Beakies is also on the radar. My 30 model plastic boxset back in the 80's was painted in one go from a Halfords rattle can. Enamel Gloss 'Baby' Blue. 

 I dont have a clue where they went, but I do have a small box of painted and unpainted random miniatures which need the update treatment. Just as well I couldnt be arsed with ebaying them.

 

First off, I'm practicing some newly discovered techniques on previously painted 1st Gens and on all the unpainted genestealers from my Original 1st Edition Space Hulk.  Pictures will follow, you will be unimpressed by my skills 

 

 

Need to catch up a bit on Lore.   "when I was a lad" Deathwing terminators were all black!

 

 

[LameBeard]

5 hours ago, Farva Ramathorn said:

 

Need to catch up a bit on Lore.   "when I was a lad" Deathwing terminators were all black!

 

 

Dude, the lore on Deathwing going white was in Space Hulk’s first expansion nearly 35 years ago!

 

Definitely read that novella and don’t worry about all this “Primaris” and returning Primarchs nonsense. Sorry - spoiler alert.

 

The new terminators have beautiful poses and detail but they are so massive I can’t see them working on a board game any more, you’d need a very big table for scaled up Space Hulk. 

[crimsondave]

There's a good many of us old folks here.  You'll fit right in.  

 

I started in the early 90s Rogue Trader.  Still have my OG RT copy.

[Farva Ramathorn]

14 hours ago, LameBeard said:

Dude, the lore on Deathwing going white was in Space Hulk’s first expansion nearly 35 years ago!

 

Definitely read that novella and don’t worry about all this “Primaris” and returning Primarchs nonsense. Sorry - spoiler alert.

 

The new terminators have beautiful poses and detail but they are so massive I can’t see them working on a board game any more, you’d need a very big table for scaled up Space Hulk. 

 

thanks, I'm clearly mis-remembering.   I'd forgotten all about that expansion pack. 

 

I will dig out the book, I'm pretty sure there is reference to armour schemes and I think pre expansion (subject to memory... I have suffered a few concussions over the years) there was a lot of black terminator imagery in White Dwarf at the time.  But then again there is some lost and forgotten stories where some of the early writers went in very odd directions which are not canon. 

 

Very good point on the size of the new terminators.   I'll post up a picture of what I have in due course

 

 

[Rusted Boltgun]

The box art for the metal terminators had Dark Angels in black terminator armour. I think the SH box had it on the side of the lower half (I can't drag mine out just now).

 

You could seek out the metal Deathwing Terminators from back into the day that are a bit smaller. They might be a bit expensive though. Don't ask me how I know .

I was surprised at how much fun the original Space Hulk is still, after all these years. A relatively simple rule set but it creates great tension.

[Farva Ramathorn]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:28 PM, LameBeard said:

Post pictures! First edition Space Hulk was the best. 

In progress. 

I plan to get magnifying glass and more than one brush so I can revisit the old models properly.

 

2020's space marine towers above 1980's terminators. 

 

There are so many raised details on modern models that a simple rough attempt at dry brushing makes a huge difference, as born out by the black/green model that has just been started.

 

 

My son takes credit for blue and purple marines.

[Farva Ramathorn]

Found models from my youth

 

Quite a few unpainted, incomplete or with paint so thick they're unrecognisable.. Bloody teenagers. 

 

 

[LameBeard]

1 hour ago, Farva Ramathorn said:

Found models from my youth

 

Quite a few unpainted, incomplete or with paint so thick they're unrecognisable.. Bloody teenagers. 

 

 

Jes Goodwin Eldar will always look great. You could always try Biostrip 2.0 if you want to start again on the thick paint. Or sell them for cash so someone else can. The pre-slotta model must be *really* old.

 

[N1SB]

22 hours ago, Farva Ramathorn said:

there was a lot of black terminator imagery in White Dwarf at the time.  But then again there is some lost and forgotten stories where some of the early writers went in very odd directions which are not canon. 

 

Don't worry, Brother.  The black Dark Angels Terminator art was on the side of the inside box of Space Hulk, with like the aquila being red, and they DID recycle that art in the White Dwarfs, etc.  You either a.) remember exactly as it was or b.) we BOTH are suffering from editionmentia (dementia from misremembering old editions).  Either way, you're not alone.

 

And rejoice, because in the Horus Heresy/30k, they actually use the original 1st ed colours.  Like the 1st Legion are actually black, Space Wolves are plain grey.  If you recall the half-Eldar Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines, it turns out he's in the current timeline, a special emissary of the Eldar to Roboute Guilliman.  They're making these callbacks.

 

But I do like this metaplot of how it's like someone went back in time and changed the past, look Back to the Future, and only we remember how things were.

 

Edited November 29 by N1SB

[LameBeard]

The side of the box art I remember.