Horus Heresy Loyalist Overseer Consul

[Lord Marshal]

Whips are for Traitors anyway.

 

 

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As we said before, it’s not just the Loyalists who kept a close eye on their Auxilia, and we’ll be getting a look at the Traitor Overseer soon.*

 

Edited December 19 by Lord Marshal

[N1SB]

Sometimes I wonder to myself, why do I even like the Horus Heresy?  I already know how it ends.  It's using old rules, like it's the Windows XP of Warhammer.

 

Then I look at miniatures like this and I'm like, oh, right, that's why I like the Horus Heresy.

[Corswain]

We're all using this as a Chaplain, right?

 

Very nice model and I always love a back banner.

[Lord Marshal]

For the record, the SoH Overseer from the Beta-Garmon book may clue us in as to what we should expect from the Traitor version:

 

[darkhorse0607]

5 minutes ago, Corswain said:

We're all using this as a Chaplain, right?

 

Very nice model and I always love a back banner.

 

Already thinking of ideas for a Raven Guard Chaplain from this guy

[StrangerOrders]

2 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

For the record, the SoH Overseer from the Beta-Garmon book may clue us in as to what we should expect from the Traitor version:

 

Something about the concept of a resin whip makes me tremble in fear. Part of why I can't do RG.

 

The loyalist one is lovely though, they are getting steadily better at fancy MKVI.

 

I do wonder why Overseers wear black though, anyone know?

[Xanthous]

Is it just me, or does his beak look a little flat? Could be the paint job.

[grailkeeper]

Great proto-Chaplain. 

 

I'm surprised it didnt come out with the other Mark 4s a while back.

 

What's the symbol on its banner?

[Lord Marshal]

13 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

What's the symbol on its banner?

 

In the Rogue Trader days it was for 'Field Police', which now seem to have become Overseers. A Space Wolf 'Overseer' from the pre-Russ times had the symbol also, back when they had to serve as Not!Commissars before their Primarch banged heads together.

 

 

Edited December 19 by Lord Marshal

[phandaal]

I like this guy a lot! Personally would replace the helmet with another mark, but otherwise this is great.

[StrangerOrders]

13 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

Great proto-Chaplain. 

 

I'm surprised it didnt come out with the other Mark 4s a while back.

 

What's the symbol on its banner?

I forget the exact name but thats the symbol for the proto-Commissars used by legions with discipline problems until the Primarchs largely axed the rank (Genuinely shocking in Perty's case, feel like the IW would love the rank).

 

Sangi is notable for both keeping them and turning them into a secret police to monitor things like the Red Thirst. (Discussed in Black Book Malevolence, the BA Exemplary Battle PDF which gives them stats and Sangi's Primarch Book).

 

SW used to absolutely spam them until Russ came along and introduced Viking Cosplay to help control the VIth. Amusingly they like to keep suits of armour from this office as a nifty reminder of how low they can sink even by the time of 40k. Amusingly, the SW have oddly exact records from the earliest days if the Crusade that predate even Bjorn. (Discussed in Black Book Inferno and Lukas the Trickster's novel).

 

Extra fun, the SWs keep the armour in what is more or less a 'shame room', a massive gallery where they keep reminders of things they don't want to remember. They make people go there to knock their egos down a few notches every now and then.

Edited December 19 by StrangerOrders

[darkhorse0607]

12 minutes ago, Xanthous said:

Is it just me, or does his beak look a little flat? Could be the paint job.

Listen man, he's tired. It's been a long day dealing with non augmented soldiers

[Vassakov]

Eh, first miss of this round of Legion models for me. It doesn't feel very unique or Heresy-ish. Honestly, with the bare head it's kinda just a Chaplain model with a slight reduction in the number of skulls, and the Mk VI helmet just doesn't quite look right.

 

Glad that others like it, but doesn't really do it for me. Then again, I play Word Bearers in Heresy so maybe the Traitor variant will win me over.

[Doobles57]

39 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

For the record, the SoH Overseer from the Beta-Garmon book may clue us in as to what we should expect from the Traitor version:

 

 

I'd recently started gathering bits to build an Overseer along the lines of this image. So I'll be interested to see if it's worth me continuing or not!

[grailkeeper]

32 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

In the Rogue Trader days it was for 'Field Police', which now seem to have become Overseers. A Space Wolf 'Overseer' from the pre-Russ times had the symbol also, back when they had to serve as Not!Commissars before their Primarch banged heads together.

 

 

 

The new guy even has the red helmet. 

[LSM]

45 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

In the Rogue Trader days it was for 'Field Police', which now seem to have become Overseers. A Space Wolf 'Overseer' from the pre-Russ times had the symbol also, back when they had to serve as Not!Commissars before their Primarch banged heads together.

 

 

 

I was thinking that the model's helmet seemed a little less "beaky" and a tad more "duck-billed", and now I'm assuming that's a purposeful reference to the RT art.

 

Edited December 19 by LSM

[Astartes Consul]

Nice model. Also, as I am currently halfway through painting my own kitbashed Overseer, I have once again been struck down by the GW new model curse...

 

 

[Matcap86]

I'll go against the grain: this one is not for me. Feels too much like the Age of Darkness boxset praetors and the Librarian consul and loyalist legion champion consul who all fell flat for me. 

 

Disappointed after the bangers that were the Iron Warriors and Iron Hands praetors. 

[No Foes Remain]

I don't hate it, I don't like it either. Sitting at the middle ground for me, can't put my finger on why. If the traitor one is like the new Overseer book art or the old one, I'll probably end up liking it.

[StrangerOrders]

17 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

I'll go against the grain: this one is not for me. Feels too much like the Age of Darkness boxset praetors and the Librarian consul and loyalist legion champion consul who all fell flat for me. 

 

Disappointed after the bangers that were the Iron Warriors and Iron Hands praetors. 

In fairness, there is a good reason for that.

 

Generic units, even within the confines of the Loyalist/Traitor divide, need to fit at least the majority of legions. And 30k has largely done a great job at making every legion have an extremely distinct aesthetic. The wider the scatter the more what has to serve all defaults to the center.

 

A generic consul can only express so much culture, so the model is kind of stuck only being able to express itself through its role.

 

I think its a nice model, don't get me wrong, but I don't think we can ever put a generic model option next to Legion-specific sculpts (even non-characters) and call it a fair contest.

 

Which I think is a good problem to have actually, because it reflects the Legions having well-defined identities. Which is one of the ultimate goals of 30k in my mind.

Edited December 19 by StrangerOrders

[Evil Eye]

That's a really nice mini! As with the IH Praetor I can see it working well as a 40K model too with a bit of conversion (specifically a Chaplain). Also that bare head is magnificent!

[Matcap86]

6 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

In fairness, there is a good reason for that.

 

Generic units, even within the confines of the Loyalist/Traitor divide, need to fit at least the majority of legions. And 30k has largely done a great job at making every legion have an extremely distinct aesthetic. The wider the scatter the more what has to serve all defaults to the center.

 

A generic consul can only express so much culture, so the model is kind of stuck only being able to express itself through its role.

 

I think its a nice model, don't get me wrong, but I don't think we can ever put a generic model option next to Legion-specific sculpts (even non-characters) and call it a fair contest.

 

Which I think is a good problem to have actually, because it reflects the Legions having well-defined identities. Which is one of the ultimate goals of 30k in my mind.

 

Don't really agree with this as the examples that I mentioned, I feel, are not as good as for example the old Legion Praetor set, or the Moritat, or the old MK IV techmarine. Which are also all legion agnostic.

 

It feels like the generic models in HH2.0 suffer from '40k'itis' (to coin a new term). A lot of the details and ornamentation are simpeler and more pronounced; almost crass sometimes. Most weapon designs are (in my opinion) excessively large, giving an almost cartoonish look. It might just be the design style of the people involved with these specific miniatures but I prefer the ones I mentioned above. In this model as well a lot of the detail feels digitally stuck on instead of sculpted into the armor design. 

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

I really like it. Perfect for a Chaplain or nearly any other kind of character with Artificer Armour. Specially,I like the Armour, and the backpack banner. The icon of the Opsequiari/like is a very nice touch. The only "but", and just to put one, it's I would like a bolt pistol instead of plasma one. Anyway, nothing it can't be solved with a sharp modeling blade...

Yes, really nice miniature.

 

And the traitor Overseer Consul is coming soon,looks like. I have my own but I'm still curious.

[Gorgoff]

3 hours ago, N1SB said:

Sometimes I wonder to myself, why do I even like the Horus Heresy?  I already know how it ends.  It's using 

best rules GW has currently to offer for a mass skirmisher. ;)

 

3 hours ago, Xanthous said:

Is it just me, or does his beak look a little flat? Could be the paint job.

Like a duck bill.

QUAKQUAK

3 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

Great proto-Chaplain. 

 

Absolutely. 

 

I like him.

Helmet looks ridiculous and the paintjob is terrible as usual but those are easy to fix. 

 

[Marshal Mittens]

I like him. I would probably swap the helmet, but it is otherwise a cool model. I am still torn on weather or not I want to buy more FW resin when I was so burned by it in the past.