Daemons Rumour: Daemons getting merged with Cult Marines

[ZeroWolf]

We'll find out soon enough as they'll have to address the issue either way. It'll be a case of "codex demons is gone, use the index!"  Or "don't worry, codex demons is out one month before 11th drops" 

[Tokugawa]

I am worrying about we receive stuff like " Death Guard great unclean one", with inferior datasheet, and no longer access to current daemon allied units.

[Silas7]

On 1/17/2025 at 7:29 AM, Scribe said:

Lame. Daemons should exist as a stand alone.

I this condensing armies where possible is healthy for the game. This also should drive up value per codex; if you are one of those people still buying em

[HeadlessCross]

13 hours ago, Silas7 said:

I this condensing armies where possible is healthy for the game. This also should drive up value per codex; if you are one of those people still buying em

This is condensing armies incorrectly though. The Cult Legions have always used the basic codex. So you're actually still at more codices than there should be. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Rolling Daemons into Legions is a kick in the teeth for people who like playing Daemons (mixed or mono). However I can understand the reasoning behind it. That doesn't mean I agree with it - I personally would rather Daemons be thier own thing - but I get why GW is doing it. 

 

Do we know if all Daemons are actually making the cut though?

 

What I've seen/heard is that not every Daemon is going into the Legions. Some will just be gone (I presume Legends?).

[jaxom]

On 1/17/2025 at 10:25 PM, FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants said:

I’m actually thinking how cool a Khorne Daemon army led by Angron with no actual WE marInes could be.

Was that + 8 bound and exalted 8 bound the Angels of something thing in the previous WE codex?

 

On 1/19/2025 at 10:35 AM, Alternis said:

Well we are starting to see Dark Admech rear its head in another system + strong mentions of them in the present 40K setting in all things Vashtorr related. 
So I think downsizing these codexes does give more room to introduce things like traitor guard, dark Admech……Codex: Zoats 

Wild theory: Vashtorr and technodaemons end up in Dark Mech and Be’lakor ends up legacy/AoS only. Balance: each system ends up with a unique daemon faction leader outside of the Greater Daemons.

[Brother Tyler]

I'd love to see the Chaos Daemons rolled into the Cult Heretic Astartes books (e.g., Nurgle with Death Guard, Slaanesh with Emperor's Children, etc.) AND a Chaos-aligned codex (someone called it "Lost and the Damned" earlier) that is similar to the Agents of the Imperium codex, allowing the multi-Power daemon armies like we've seen, but also allowing renegades, mutants, traitors, and Warp-spawn of various other types.

[Nephaston]

A lost and the damned codex would certainly be nice especially for oddballs like Be'lakor. Speaking of Be'lakor, if daemons get perma split does that mean he gets put into the chaos knight dex, since he owns a knight household?

[ZeroWolf]

38 minutes ago, jaxom said:

Was that + 8 bound and exalted 8 bound the Angels of something thing in the previous WE codex?

 

Wild theory: Vashtorr and technodaemons end up in Dark Mech and Be’lakor ends up legacy/AoS only. Balance: each system ends up with a unique daemon faction leader outside of the Greater Daemons.

Would have to edit the sprue to take away the dead Primaris marine option 

 

I've wondered if they could put Vashtorr into a codex Iron Warriors since he's pretty pally with ole Perturabo, plus it gives a nice place for that primarch to go 

[Indy Techwisp]

3 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Rolling Daemons into Legions is a kick in the teeth for people who like playing Daemons (mixed or mono). However I can understand the reasoning behind it. That doesn't mean I agree with it - I personally would rather Daemons be thier own thing - but I get why GW is doing it. 

 

Do we know if all Daemons are actually making the cut though?

 

What I've seen/heard is that not every Daemon is going into the Legions. Some will just be gone (I presume Legends?).

 

I feel rolling the Daemons into the legions is something GW were intending to do back when they started refreshing the Daemons for AoS.
Prior to that, AoS Demons were their own faction the AoS Chaos armies needed to ally in, but once all of the Monogod armies released they immediately moved the Demons to the monogod armies.

 

What we're seeing here is that same thing playing out for 40k.
It's just taken way longer for 40k to have all 4 Monogod armies.

 

As for whether all the Daemons are making the cut, I think the Soul Grinder may be going.
If only because GW harp on about how the Daemons of AoS and 40k can be used in both systems and they just took the Soul Grinder out of AoS.

[Plaguecaster]

Extremely blurry leak photos of supposed combat patrol boxes seem to be popping up that include both legion and daemons in them

Khârn, 3 eightbound, helbrute and 5 hounds wonder what a nurgle one will look like 

[INKS]

can't really tell. it's a helbrute, eightbound and dogs? plus Khârn?

can't tell if helbrute is old? maybe newish?

[RedFox]

Old helbrute

 

And that's seems vastly inferior to the current WE combat patrol!

[Macidious]

4 minutes ago, Plaguecaster said:

Extremely blurry leak photos of supposed combat patrol boxes seem to be popping up that include both legion and daemons in them

Khârn, 3 eightbound, helbrute and 5 hounds wonder what a nurgle one will look like 

Such a lame combat patrol compared to the current one 

[Scribe]

Ugh.

 

Go ahead and put Daemons in with the Cults to pad out the roster since GW shackled WE with that dire release, but dont take away the Daemons book itself.

[INKS]

If it's true, it's not a good looking combat patrol. Having Khârn in there means you'd never want to buy more than one. Helbrutes are exactly great either. The dogs are cool but who knows how that is going to look and play and I don't know if WE even wants them. I guess WE are likely to see 1 new character or some model like that and it's not included here if real. which doesn't bode well.

[Tokugawa]

14 minutes ago, Plaguecaster said:

Extremely blurry leak photos of supposed combat patrol boxes seem to be popping up that include both legion and daemons in them

Khârn, 3 eightbound, helbrute and 5 hounds wonder what a nurgle one will look like 

For comparision:

This is current WE patrol.

 

current Khorne daemon patrol for 40K.

 

 

current Khorne spearhead for AoS.

 

Anyone could see what is happenning.

Also, the final nightmare of TSons players may finally come: they receive a bundle box with BOTH tzaangors and horrors, and few to none thousand sons.

[Indy Techwisp]

24 minutes ago, Plaguecaster said:

Extremely blurry leak photos of supposed combat patrol boxes seem to be popping up that include both legion and daemons in them

Khârn, 3 eightbound, helbrute and 5 hounds wonder what a nurgle one will look like 

 

>Khârn in the combat patrol.

 

They learnt nothing from the Deathguard Combat Patrol, huh?
I can see this being "our thing" for this edition...
 

If this rings true for the other Monogod codexes, the TSons combat patrols are gonna be a Masterclass in what not to do for a Combat Patrol...

 

1 minute ago, Tokugawa said:

For comparision:

This is current WE patrol.

 

current Khorne daemon patrol for 40K.

 

 

current Khorne spearhead for AoS.

 

Anyone could see what is happenning.

Also, the final nightmare of TSons players may finally come: they receive a bundle box with BOTH tzaangors and horrors, and few to none thousand sons.

 

I can't wait for Ahriman, 10 Pink Horrors and 2x 3 Tzaangor Enlightened...

Edited Saturday at 12:04 AM by Indy Techwisp

[WrathOfTheLion]

That combat patrol is awful if that is what it ends up being. The current one is way better.

[Lord Marshal]

I think it's fake. Look at how atrociously the models have been photoshopped onto the terrain. I know GW aren't perfect with these things, but even with such a blurry image you can see they've not been properly blended in. The lighting on the closest hound to Khârn and the Hellbrute are noticeably off.

 

As @Joe noted elsewhere, it looks like they took the Crimson Slaughter Hellbrute from the webpage and inserted it straight in.

 

 

Sorry if I just jinxed this being the real Combat Patrol by my saying this though.

 

Edited Saturday at 12:11 AM by Lord Marshal

[Indy Techwisp]

Update from the thread on reddit.

It may be fake.

 

The main reason being that the Helbrute doesn't match the lighting of the other models on the box, instead matching near exactly with this Helbrute from the webstore:

Edited Saturday at 12:11 AM by Indy Techwisp

[crimsondave]

Do we think that’s real?  The writing at the top looks crooked to me.

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, crimsondave said:

Do we think that’s real?  The writing at the top looks crooked to me.

 

Probably fake.
See the 2 previous posts.

[Norman Paperman]

Who even has a camera with that low res in 2025? Other leaks come in full HD with so much gloss that you can’t read sections of the rules due to overhead lighting reflecting off the page. Low res only really makes sense as a factor of distance, not a carefully posed box like this pic purports to be. 
 

GW does do small combat patrols and they’re getting smaller but they tend to make at least some contextual sense for the army. 10 models for WE doesn’t make sense and strikes me as more likely to be rage bait. (Excuse me while I knock on wood, particularly as a TSons enjoyer). 
 

All that said, if GW wants to put some Screamers in the TSons CP that would be pretty sweet. 

Edited Saturday at 02:01 PM by Norman Paperman

[Cenobite Terminator]

Looks dodgy to me.