Horus Heresy Angron Transfigured + Lotara Sarrin

[Ripper.McGuirl]

I love this Angron and think it’s superior to the previous FW Angron, the current 40k Angron, and the Bloodthirsters.

I’m happy they did Lotara and she will have rules, the model could be more interesting, but I’m not mad at it.

[Domhnall]

I quite like this... in a "it'll be a complete nightmare to paint properly but worth it if I did" kind of way. 

As for the wings, I think they're probably about right for the weight of a Primarch... so much so I'd say they could even be a bit more chunky to lift that weight (ignoring warp shenanigans of course). 

 

It's a difficult balance between wings being too big from a practical perspective as a miniature, and looking odd for being too small... 

I agree with @Lord Marshal though, in that this is better aimed as a display piece, because that's a bad boy I wouldn't want to transport from shelf to table, never mind taking it out the house! 

[Nephaston]

2 hours ago, Rain said:

So, what to they do? Release a human non-Astartes character that shouldn’t ever be on a battlefield as she is a ship captain, not a field commander. THE NAILS ARE A-BITIN SO HARD.

I imagine she is for zone mortalis games, like "a small task force of ultramarines entered the conquerer, with her being the main target".

 

Sure, you may use her for open field battles, but just handwave these scenarios as "what if"

[Ammonius]

27 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

Did lotara get butchers nails at somepoint or are their sculpting team just really weird with hair?

I am hoping that she just has a nails-esque hairstyle as a tribute to her Legion, based off no evidence beyond my squinting at the photos.

Edited February 14 by Ammonius
coffee makes me jittery

[Rain]

2 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

I imagine she is for zone mortalis games, like "a small task force of ultramarines entered the conquerer, with her being the main target".

 

Sure, you may use her for open field battles, but just handwave these scenarios as "what if"

Which is a really weird corner case model choice for a faction missing praetors and with downright ancient kits for Red Butchers and Rampagers from the very dawn of Heresy 1.0. She’s not even an Astartes. It’s like if Tau had a decade+ dry spell and then got a new Kroot Shaper.

[Xenith]

3 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Since I am not allowed to post my gif anymore,

 

Gifs are fine, including the Malcolm one, as long as they're part of a constructive comment/post.  Pasting memes or submitting image only posts frequently isn't constructive. 

Edited February 14 by Xenith

[Cactus]

I think Lotarra's hair is braided. The similarity with the nails is surely intentional.

 

Weren't there rumours of a Shadow Crusade campaign book or was it only wishlisting? That would be the perfect place to reintroduce the zone mortalis void warfare rules where shipboard officers are more likely to be directly involved.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Wow. These models look stunning to me. I find this Angron much better than the 40k version. 

[Scribe]

I keep coming back to it, maybe its the picture but.

 

Neck too long.

Chest too wide, in relation to arms (too short!).

Legs look too long/thin.

 

It just seems off.

[bloodhound23]

1 minute ago, Scribe said:

I keep coming back to it, maybe its the picture but.

 

Neck too long.

Chest too wide, in relation to arms (too short!).

Legs look too long/thin.

 

It just seems off.

 

It doesn't look weird enough to be intentionally uncanny to me, either. That would be fine. This seems just...incoherent.

[Lord Sondar]

Angron does look better in the video than the photo.  I personally quite like it but agree the resin wings are just going to break as soon as you look at them.  

 

The plastic 40k version seems much better for gaming.  While this is a display piece. 

 

Not a fan of the Lotarra mini. But love the character.  Her legs and hair look off as others have mentioned.

[animal310]

What an echo chamber!

 

The Angron model is outstanding IMO. 

[Scribe]

3 minutes ago, animal310 said:

What an echo chamber!

 

The Angron model is outstanding IMO. 

 

Echo chamber? I think the term you are looking for is 'divisive'.

 

There are people claiming its awesome, and people claiming its off.

[Knightsword]

I loved Fulgrim's transfigured model but this one I'm not sure of for some reason. Don't get me wrong, the sculpting and details are phenomenal. I don't know if it's how the neck and the arms look in the photos but it's giving me the vibe of a skinny guy in a baggy t-shirt a few sizes to big. 

[m0nolith]

30k Fulgrim model > 40k Fulgrim model.

 

but….

 

30k Angron model < 40k Angron model.

 

Its still a good model, but not as good as its 40k counterpart. 

 

Edited February 14 by m0nolith

[Lord Marshal]

I am surprised at how divisive he is. Personally as somebody who was soundly 'meh' on the 40k model, I like this version more. It's true that the 40k harkens much closer to the artwork, but I think as others have already said this was probably an inevitable deviation just to differ him from the cheaper plastic version. 30k Fulgrim probably got away with it because there's been a few different depictions of him, as will Mortarion I assume (I'm expecting the 30k one to be a lot closer to the lithe, downwards swinging Visions of Heresy art with more of a death's head skull), whereas if I recall correctly Angron has always been depicted pretty consistently. 

 

One thing I think the 30k model does is help him look closer to his Daemon Primarch brothers in terms of being more unique designs, instead of just an armoured Bloodthirster - something the 40k model got a decent bit of flak for even if the model was faithful to the artwork in that respect.

 

I do wonder how much of the issue is that he looks like a slightly buffed out normal dude when his photo is taken in isolation. As others have mentioned, the video does a much better job of selling the size and intimidation factor of the model. I expect when we see him being 'posed' with armies or just WE collections he'll probably come off better.

 

Edited February 14 by Lord Marshal

[01RTB01]

To try and bring unity back... Erebus was a terrible person...

[TheNicronomicon]

Love Lotara as a character, and the mini is Perfectly Fine, though I’m in agreement with those baffled by what a ship’s captain is gonna do as infantry on a battlefield. Maybe she gets an orbital shot or something? Maybe she’s a token you can remove to Ursus Claw a model off the field into low orbit or something

 

As for Angron…yuck. Something about the pose or dimensions are off. The chest, the legs, and the head all look like they belong to different models. The wings are huuuuge but that doesn’t bother me as much as making his chest about as broad a barn but also giving him a weird little head is odd. The stance doesn’t help either—he’s in a pose but what pose is that?? World Eaters scream and flex; he’s certainly screaming and I think he might be flexing but it looks like he’s never done either of those things before and this is his first attempt. The head is too tiny for the body in a really noticeable way. Not just the shoulders; it looks too small for the legs. 
Maybe it’s the angle but he looks wrong in a way they screams bad design rather than Warp Madness. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

1 hour ago, Domhnall said:

I quite like this... in a "it'll be a complete nightmare to paint properly but worth it if I did" kind of way. 

As for the wings, I think they're probably about right for the weight of a Primarch... so much so I'd say they could even be a bit more chunky to lift that weight (ignoring warp shenanigans of course). 

 

It's a difficult balance between wings being too big from a practical perspective as a miniature, and looking odd for being too small... 

I agree with @Lord Marshal though, in that this is better aimed as a display piece, because that's a bad boy I wouldn't want to transport from shelf to table, never mind taking it out the house! 

A model should be a gaming piece. When it becomes too valuable to move around, because of fear of breakage, then it turns into some form of art piece. That´s not a trend which I condone.

[Aarik]

I'm really surprised by the negative reaction too.  The new Angron looks fine to me, and I liked his 40k model too.  FW was in a tougher spot here because the 40k model really already captures what he would have looked like at the culmination of the Siege, so they had to dial back the mutation a bit here to differentiate the model even if it doesn't quite make sense fluff wise.  Lotara is a cool model to have too, even if she's not the most relevant from a game perspective.  I think one thing making her look wonky though is that her shins/lower legs seem way too thin.  AFAIK she never got the nails implanted, so the hair is probably just chunky/braided hair.

[SalamandersBro]

I love it. I just wish the wings were folded. It would have been easier to transport and play with.

[Fluxeor]

Lotarra is good, but Angron.. I mean sure it's.... Angron, but the 40k model is easily 10x better.

[siegfriedfr]

The problem with this model is that it has human legs,  whereas bloodthirsters or daemon princes usually have bovine arched legs.

 

Whatever Lore reason will be invoked to justify this design, it just looks wrong compared to similar daemon models.

[Marshal Rohr]

Specialist games once again proves they are top dawgs. 

[Typhonian]

I like Angron's model a lot, especially that it looks more like Primarch and less Bloodthirster.

 

Only two things irk me:

The feet, was hoping for an armored/boot option. 

The weapons are a little too generic and "spiky", would prefer classic chainaxe.

 

Alas I don't think the model will have any options.