Horus Heresy Angron Transfigured + Lotara Sarrin

[SkimaskMohawk]

10 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Specialist games once again proves they are top dawgs. 

With two very divisive models? Hardly.

 

Angrons face is in the awkward position that GW fulgrim was in, in that they can't overlap too hard on certain features and they had a hard time finding a direction. I'm sure it's not even that bad and it's mostly due to the eavy metal highlighting; the paint job style and limited angles does a lot to hide the potential of the model. Maybe the legs being back jointed instead is my only major gripe.

 

But lotarra is a pretty bad take. With the scarred face, hairstyle and sword, it feels repurposed. It also looks like :cuss: compared to the human characters coming out for necromunda, TOW, or MESBG.

 

Heresy just has the D- team compared to all the specialist games. Both rules and sculpts.

 

 

 

[Captain Idaho]

Hmmm. If there's a Lotarra model coming... that must mean there's rule coming right?

 

Wonder what's happening? Bar HH 3.0 of course, I meant I wonder how it'll be organised. 

[Marshal Rohr]

Nvm that’s too mean

Edited February 14 by Marshal Rohr

[jaxom]

4 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

Did Lotarra have one eye before? Looks like she also has the butchers nails.

 

Dont remember her having a sword. They should have given her her trademark pistol. Maybe its possible as an alternate bit. 

 

3 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

In the Betrayer novel she has no Butcher´s nails. And I agree that it looks weird on her although there may be a possibility that she also had to undergo the treatment when the Siege of Terra began. Readers of that book might know more on that subject.

 

The model might be okay for a Stargrave Captain but she has no relevance for 30K battles unless you want to recreate a boarding mission in which Ultramarines board the Conqueror and Lotarra and her staff make a last stand on the bridge. 

I think it’s supposed to be wiring for the Conquer’s interface implants and and a high quality augmetic eye.

[de Selby]

The Lotarra model isn't very exciting but I love the new Angron. I never liked the plastic one, but I think this guy is just as cool as the resin Fulgrim. I love the wings, the bling, all of it.

 

I'm not going to go through the whole thread politely disagreeing with people, I just wish there was some supply and demand effect at work that meant I could get this guy cheaper :D

[irlLordy]

Lotara is a bit of an odd choice, given shes not an Astartes, but the model isn't bad. I would have thought she'd be using her pistol though.

 

I wonder if there will be other models to go along with her though, naval armsmen or whatnot. The 30k equivalent of Navy Breachers which would also fit in well with ZM games.

[LSM]

1 hour ago, siegfriedfr said:

The problem with this model is that it has human legs,  whereas bloodthirsters or daemon princes usually have bovine arched legs.

 

Whatever Lore reason will be invoked to justify this design, it just looks wrong compared to similar daemon models.

 

Oooh, good point (though for me it's not a negative). The humanoid legs are the main thing setting it apart, and stop it from looking as much like a Bloodthirster (as the 40k model does).

 

The original Epic scale model had humanoid legs as well.

 

Edited February 14 by LSM

[TheArtilleryman]

Nice mini of whoever that lady is but her legs are way too narrow at the bottom. It looks really odd.

[Joe]

It's great watching all the stuff Simon Egan told us about at the last Open Day in 2019 slowly trickle out. Angron is looking excellent - definitely a display case rather than play model if I wind up buying him, though.

[Matcap86]

43 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

Hmmm. If there's a Lotarra model coming... that must mean there's rule coming right?

 

Wonder what's happening? Bar HH 3.0 of course, I meant I wonder how it'll be organised. 

 

Says in the article there's a pdf coming closer to release.

[Wispy]

If you put Transfigured's head on 40k Angron's body, you'd have one good Angron total.

[Corswain]

Well that was unexpected.

 

I think I'm in the camp that prefers the 40K one but I get why they might try to distinguish them more from their 40K versions.

 

Lotara is interesting. I hope she is Astra Militarum rather than World Eaters.

[Lay]

Interesting that daemon princes can become more monstrous over time. I never really thought about it but it does make sense. Even for an immortal daemon there's always more power to gain.

[Marshal Loss]

What an unexpected surprise to wake up to on a Saturday morning. I have a lot of kneejerk pre-coffee thoughts and you'll have to forgive me for echoing some other good points made by the community given I've arrived 4 pages deep.

 

Firstly I am surprised that this wasn't saved for a major event as the preview of a Sam Egan sculpt is a pretty big deal. SG/FW's prioritisation of sculpts and release/preview timing is a bit odd (to be generous) as always. References made to rules downloads for both models closer to release, but no mention of Legiones Hereticus: World Eaters. I'm sure that will definitely happen but curious when and where, particularly if 2.5/3.0 is coming, and what this means for the game. I have a vested interest in this as I'm still really hoping that they've redone the hilariously bad Legiones Hereticus: Emperor's Children.

 

Wasn't expecting Lotara to get a model. I don't really have any particular thoughts on her sculpt other than noting that her 'power sword' appears to in fact be a charnabal sabre and I think the decision to have her waving it around is a bit silly considering her most iconic moment involved her shooting a World Eater in the head. A pose where she was aiming down the barrel of her pistol would have made far more sense to me.

 

For the big guy himself, I think the armour looks great, and there are lots of wonderful details and throwbacks to the old sculpt as you'd expect. But there is a lot that I'm a bit 'eh' on. I think he looks too anthropomorphic and don't like the face. I'd have preferred a different pose as well, and while the wings look great in isolation (and as a Fulgrim Transfigured owner I appreciate this is an extremely expensive display model), I'd have preferred them posed differently as well. The weapons are nice (the axe is sick) but I am very disappointed to not see the Black Blade given pride of place. Homogenising his weapons into 'Blades of the Red Angel' for rules purposes is a concept that worked well for Fulgrim Transfigured because the latter didn't have any known named/notable weapons in his daemon form, but the Black Blade was a big deal in the narrative.

 

I suspect that a lot of the design decisions I don't like about this were made to differentiate Angron from his 40k sculpt, in particular the pose, where I think it would have benefited from being a more intentional homage to the iconic Angron sculpt that launched Primarchs and Heresy itself into miniature form.

 

On a positive note, I think that looking forward, one figure that will really benefit from this treatment is Mortarion, where I can see the approach taken here by the sculptor producing a better version of Morty than his 40k sculpt.

[MARK0SIAN]

Angron seems smaller than I was expecting. The Siege of Terra books make him out to be enormous. I’m sure there’s a scene where he’s throwing mortals in the air and swallowing them whole. He just doesn’t seem big enough to match the description in the books.

[Rain]

8 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

 I’m sure there’s a scene where he’s throwing mortals in the air and swallowing them whole. 

That’s incredibly metal.

[Corswain]

I like it a lot more after having had time to check out the video. The price would probably still dictate that I would purchase the 40K one though.

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

6 hours ago, INKS said:

I actually like this Angron more than the 40k one. His wings seem too big, but I really like the armor on this one.

I don't think GW has ever used Valentines day as a big preview day, so this feels incredibly unprecedented. Bizarre choice, but I'm not mad. I'll be honest, I've stopped visiting the community site as often as I used to. 

I love that this transfigured model is a clear progressive path of his 30k Primarch model. Elements that tie the two together, but one is clearly sipping the soup of the Immaterium. The knee pads are an evolution, the teeth of the 12th Legion iconography is still there, but now more Khornate. Similarly, the Grecian-inspired shinguards are still there, but scaled up and sporting more soup-goodness. The breastplate is still there, with the curls on the pectorals, but now buried under trophies and skulls. Similarly, the shoulder pads evolved. Once again, the shape is retained but the 12th jaw iconography is replaced by - you guessed it, chaos soupy goodness. There are other such clear paths of progression on the vambraces on the fore arms, the peturges (that's the Roman belt), and the Iron Halo is now similarly a twisted icon of the damned, rather than the (arguably) once noble Warhounds/World Eaters jaw.

I'm actually less mad at the 40k model now, because the progression system feels smoother. I forget which frater mentioned it earlier, but it's as if the last remnants of Angron were present in this model, before his first banishment and he became one with the Khorne soup-aid gestalt and thus a pawn in the great game.

 

6 hours ago, Ubiquitous1984 said:

I'm surprised that the LS model wasn't a BL Celebration release to coincide with a HH Character series novel about her.  This release, although welcome, feels very random!

Knowing that they have some insane logistical issues, ones that got exacerbated by Covid19, the disruption to logistics is still being felt like an aftershock across numerous industries... I wouldn't be shocked if this was the intent. Either the model got delayed in its sculpting time-frame or production frame, or the book got shoved up earlier, who knows?
 

5 hours ago, Preliminary Bombardment said:

Is that the first ever female HH model?

 

Genuine question as I’m not familiar with the range!

As others have mentioned, there's the whole Sisters of Silence thing. Gorgeous models, there's a bunch of fantastic Sisters of Silence artwork in Visions of Heresy and The Art of The Horus Heresy books.
 

3 hours ago, Cactus said:

I think Lotarra's hair is braided. The similarity with the nails is surely intentional.

 

Weren't there rumours of a Shadow Crusade campaign book or was it only wishlisting? That would be the perfect place to reintroduce the zone mortalis void warfare rules where shipboard officers are more likely to be directly involved.

It's probably braided to reflect the Legion she serves. It's noted that humans that got assigned to the Legions would slowly pick up their respective Legions' cultures over time, some didn't - but most did. See Illya Ravallion, a logistics officer who got assigned to the White Scars. She thought their culture bizarre at first, but assimilated. They even gave her an honorary title, though I can't for the life of me remember what it was.

Yes, I think there were talks of a Shadow Crusade campaign book, I think it was around the time of Alan Blighs' passing. That might have been scrapped, reworked, or put on an indefinite back burner. I could be mistaken about that, though. I feel Bowden would know, but let's not pesture him and remind him of his beloved friend. 
 

2 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

A model should be a gaming piece. When it becomes too valuable to move around, because of fear of breakage, then it turns into some form of art piece. That´s not a trend which I condone.

I mean, I agree with you and disagree simultaneously. I do think GW should put out models just for the sake of collections and collectors. You're telling me people wouldn't buy an official Emperor model? Or GW made busts of key-figures from its IP(s)? I'd buy the snot out of a bust of the Lion, Russ, Curze, Magnus, Goge Vandire, Gabriel Seth, Yarrick, Ibraham Gaunt, etc.

However, I do like that the options are there for it, for those who want it. 

My comparison would be the fan made supplement for Battlefleet Gothic, called Battlefleet:Heresy. It's set during the Crusade and Heresy. There are rules for the Gloriana class ships, the Legion ones, as well as a few other notable Gloriana or Gloriana adjacent ones. There are two categories of rules. One represents them as best as possible to ships that are the size of Manhattan Island if not larger. (For reference the population of Manhattan circa 2024 was 1.6 million, I'm sure a Gloriana would push those numbers to insane levels.) The second set of rules basically takes a battle-barge template, and adds a little more to it.  The first set of rules is absolutely bonkers and insane and you will never kill a Gloriana, regardless of fleet combination - unless you bring your own Gloriana. The second rule set, well - if you focus fire, it'll die like any battle-barge would under sustained fire.

I've played with both sets of rules for the Nightfall + Iron Blood, and I gotta say, I'm glad the rules are there.

We can also thank Age of Sigmar and modern (2017 onwards) 40k for bringing the trend of "Big Center Piece Model That Doubles As Art Installation". 

I fundamentally disagree with bringing the Primarchs (Chaos or loyalist) back in any capacity, they are mythology and should remain so, but I am glad the models exist, you feel me? 
 

1 hour ago, Joe said:

It's great watching all the stuff Simon Egan told us about at the last Open Day in 2019 slowly trickle out. Angron is looking excellent - definitely a display case rather than play model if I wind up buying him, though.

Love Egans' sculpt work. Can you elaborate on what else he mentioned on that Open Day? What did he mention at the time that's been released or previewed, what has come out, and what is still locked away in a cabinet file marked with an ostentatious "I"?

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

I prefer this Angron to the 40k version. Properly spiky as a servant of Chaos should be. The "traditional" depictions of slightly different bloodthister always made him a bit unintresting for me. Whether it's good decision to make such drastic departure from the established look  is antother question. Lotara, though... That's a downgrade from the official art. Not sure what's going on with her head and legs look weirdly thin compared to the upper body. However, such an od choice for a model, not to mention the generic warrior-leader pose.

 

[Marshal Loss]

30 minutes ago, Hungry Nostraman Lizard said:

Yes, I think there were talks of a Shadow Crusade campaign book, I think it was around the time of Alan Blighs' passing. That might have been scrapped, reworked, or put on an indefinite back burner. I could be mistaken about that, though. I feel Bowden would know, but let's not pesture him and remind him of his beloved friend. 

 

Way back in the day (we're talking the 2015 HH Weekender, which is making me feel very old) the FW studio's original plan was that the sixth black book following Tempest would cover the Shadow Crusade. I don't know how far along they got with rules, though art and concepts were shown and discussed at that weekender, but in part they made the decision that two WB/UM heavy books in a row combined with a large number of legions still not having rules was a problem and changed tact, which is what gave us the Book 6 we subsequently received: Retribution.

[01RTB01]

3 hours ago, Typhonian said:

I like Angron's model a lot, especially that it looks more like Primarch and less Bloodthirster.

 

Only two things irk me:

The feet, was hoping for an armored/boot option. 

The weapons are a little too generic and "spiky", would prefer classic chainaxe.

 

Alas I don't think the model will have any options. 

There may be options, Fulgrim has options. 

[redmapa]

All these transfigured primarchs I'm surprised they haven't dared to make Lorgar transfigured yet, he even has rules!.

[Gorgoff]

21 minutes ago, redmapa said:

All these transfigured primarchs I'm surprised they haven't dared to make Lorgar transfigured yet, he even has rules!.

Or the Khan on bike.. 

[01RTB01]

9 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

Or the Khan on bike.. 

That's the biggy, it'll be quite the sight.

[Mithrilforge]

I like the 40k version better , it especially lost me with massive and “resin” , even with my distaste of GW/FW resin aside its wings are waaay to large, as others have said this is more like a display piece that you wouldn’t want to remove from your oversized cabinet  .

and I can’t imagine the price, it’d probably be enough to buy a water pump in a third world village  …. 
 

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