Emperors Children So, after much turmoil... here begins my Emperor's Children! (Painted pics.)

[Prot]

 Since I've been around the Chaos block so many times since I started playing 40K, I've only truly indulged in EC once. Many, many years ago. If I can find some old pics, I'll show them to you but trust me, they're bad. It's from back when the only 'unique' pieces were all metal.

 

The reason I liked EC is not the same weird, twisted stuff that a lot of people like. For me it was the pursuit of perfection. Often falling short of this in life, I feel like as people we can be enslaved to lofty ideals. So I can relate to EC, even Lucius whom maybe embodies this the most for me.

 

Enough babble, I quickly wanted to start work on base units I may have in collection and hit the ground running.

 

I finished these Rhino's last night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have my concerns about the codex. But the overall theme is something I really want to try since it's such a unique look and Chaos really doesn't get 'new' stuff very often. Hopefully I can stick this out.

Edited March 4 by Prot
Added EC tag

[Tallarn Commander]

"Were it not sinful then, striving to mend,

To mar the subject that before was well."

-Shakespear, Sonnet 103

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

They look very slick with that pink & turquoise scheme. Sadly the vintage Rhino kit does not have enough hard points to attach a lot of options onto the vehicle. So further wargear looks like it has been bolted on.

[Marshal Loss]

Nice display picture...

 

Good luck with the project. The blue looks good against the purple

[Dr_Ruminahui]

 

When I first saw the thread and avatar, I thought is was Marshal Loss - I feel like I've stepped into the above meme.   I think you guys need to play a game of 40K to determine who needs to change their avatar.  

 

Nice to see you putting on the pink - look forward to seeing more of your stuff.  Surprised you went with chaos rather than slannesh symbols on the top - is it because you had templates for the one and not the other?

 

As well, you should put the "Emperor's Children" tag on it to ensure it gets moved when the EC get their own forum.

Edited February 27 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Marshal Loss]

4 hours ago, Dr_Ruminahui said:

 

When I first saw the thread and avatar, I thought is was Marshal Loss - I feel like I've stepped into the above meme.   I think you guys need to play a game of 40K to determine who needs to change their avatar.  

 

 

 

I've been using it for not far off 4 years now and based my scheme around it - so there's no chance that I'll be changing. 

[N1SB]

Holy hell, Brother Prot, I know you're efficient, but I saw the title and I was like "Dang, EC aren't even out yet, they're still in pre-order!" 

 

11 hours ago, Tallarn Commander said:

"Were it not sinful then, striving to mend,

To mar the subject that before was well."

-Shakespear, Sonnet 103

 

"You never know what is enough, unless you know what is enough."

- William Blake, Proverbs of HELL

[Prot]

OH gees... sorry guys. I'll change my avatar. lol  Can't believe that. I DEFINITELY should have know better. 

 

I am hoping this project goes the distance. I am going to start a different thread to bounce some stuff off you guys based on the codex.... Hopefully I can add a few more things to this thread before the box set comes out.

 

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Sure, I (and I'm sure others as well) are happy to help.  That said, my contributions are likely to only be theory based and artistic - knowing the differences in our painting speeds and gaming frequency, its almost certain you'll be getting in games with your EC before I do.  Don't know if its helpful, but you can see some of my preliminary thoughts here.

 

To that, I would add that I'm not sure why GW thinks demonettes are worth 12 points a model - I don't think I would want to field them at any more than 8.  Seekers seem a better deal at 18 points a model (or 9 points a wound), though that's obviously less so if you face a lot of D2 weapons (I don't).  That said, I suspect the demon ally detachment will be let down by the demon units and their somewhat inflationary point costs.

 

Thanks for swapping avatars - it really makes it easier for me.   I'll be adding the EC tag to your thread, BTW - you can always remove it if it becomes inappropriate.

 

 

[General Strike]

Oh boy, Prot is painting EC. This is gonna be good. 
 

[Prot]

Hey folks thanks for the encouragement!

 

Unfortunately, for full transparency, I don't think this is going to get off the ground.  I suppose it's a bit personal but Friday night, I logged into a gaming store I frequently buy from online in my country.... about 5 mins before they could (legally) list the pre order box. 

 

I saw it as it appeared, put it directly into my cart, immediately checked out and got the error message that it was sold out.

 

I couldn't be available for noon on the GW website, so I tried today (Canada) all sold out.

 

So I'm done. After 20+ years of chasing this product, and playing all Chaos releases this is a time where I have to pass and not reward the over hyped, under delivered, self created demand, business model of GW.

 

So unless this box falls directly on my lap, I'm not chasing it. I've done this for years, and I did everything reasonable to get it and it's not meant to be.

 

Just for clarity I'm not angry or anything.. I'm way past that with GW (I think that bubble burst when the Black Library dice for Custodes went straight to ebay for a few hundred bucks a cube, and I did contact GW.)

 

I won't be standing in line March 15th waiting for my local GW to open to fight for the few my local store will be lucky to receive.  I did go back to the larger online store I buy from and at some point today they listed a 'wave 2' pre order which also sold out. 

 

To those that got it.... congrats. I assume it was a very short window of opportunity for you. I hope you're not selling it, and you have as much hobby/playtime enjoyment with it as I would have.  Please post your progress! 

 

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Sorry to hear that, Prot.  I too had tried to grab a box online, but unfortunately had a vet appointment so wasn't able to be at my computer at 11 and by noon it was long gone (cat is fine, just fat).

 

I then went to my local GW, and was able to have them set aside a box for me to pick up on release day (if I don't get it that day, its up for grabs).  Now, I'm not 100% convinced that the GW employee actually recorded my name in such a way that this will actually occur, but I'll phone to check during the week.

 

Don't know how your local GW works, or if you have one, but if you do its worth a look into.

[Ulfast]

Damn, I would really have liked to see you paint more EC. But I do understand your view which I share. I don´t really get GW selling points. 

 

But perhaps have a more slow grow project of EC? 

[Grotsmasha]

GWOZ has stock, if only someone was willing to be an intermediary....

[Prot]

Thanks folks. If my local GW happens to have one, maybe it'll be meant to be. But to be honest, it doesn't look good. Every local store (and the bigger online ones in Canada) sold out almost instantly. 

 

Chaos has never been a big seller for GW so I wonder how much of this is bots reposting boxes on ebay (there's a lot up there already). 

 

I had some emergency work to do this weekend and just could not sit in front of the GW site.

[The Fulgrussy]

I was hoping to say this sooner, I had trouble getting an account activated.

 

Sorry to hear you didn't get a shot at a box on pre-order day.

 

If you're located in Canada my local store still has the Champions box in stock and they ship Canada wide.

 

I can't seem to send private messages, I assume another new account quirk, but I'm happy share if you're still interested.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Rather than derail this thread, I've sent you an message explaining, @The Fulgrussy.

Edited March 4 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Prot]

5 hours ago, The Fulgrussy said:

I was hoping to say this sooner, I had trouble getting an account activated.

 

Sorry to hear you didn't get a shot at a box on pre-order day.

 

If you're located in Canada my local store still has the Champions box in stock and they ship Canada wide.

 

I can't seem to send private messages, I assume another new account quirk, but I'm happy share if you're still interested.

 

Thank you. Message received!

 

I also want to thank CrimsonDave who had generously reached out to me. 

 

I ended up grabbing a box at the Canadian store...shipping is just very reasonable on a big box like that.

 

Anyway, I don't want to make this about 'retail' etc, but I just wanted to let everyone know that Chaos has found a way to find me again.

 

I really appreciate the members of the BnC. Always stepping up when in need!

[Ulfast]

Good news then! Shall be fun to watch you paint that army :)

[Prot]

So with renewed enthusiasm, I've looked through my Chaos collection to see what else I have (besides the Rhino's) that I can 'steal' from Black Legion or World Eaters for the E.C.

 

I want to get the 'basic' stuff out of the way because being the  child I am, once the new EC arrive I'll have less than zero patience to paint a 'rhino'. lol

 

 So I found a nearly completed Maulerfiend kit. Not sure if it will make the list, but I thought I better paint it now. Not my favourite kit to paint, but armour is good, and I want to add it quickly. 

 

This isn't an amazing job, but it's good enough:

 

 

 

 

[Comandante Alexos]

Great beginning! I love the tone of the Mauler! Very nice 

[Prot]

Well a minor update.

 

I do have a box coming but not sure when it will arrive.

 

I took a chance, and zoomed out to GW locally and waited in line. I got one of 6 boxes. Only 3 were visible so I was third in line and my first thought was (as ridiculous as this sounds) I'm lucky I got one.....

 

By the time I went to the til, they were pretty much gone. I asked the store manager if he had any more in the backroom. He said no. He only got three and he's considered a "high volume store" so it surprised him as well.

 

I did feel a bit of guilt. I know I will use both boxsets as I love the Lord, and love both troop types and do see needing 4 x 10. I plan to use the extra Noise Marines to kit bash some Flawless blades, or a Lord Kakophonist. 

 

So I had some time this weekend, assembled 1.5 troop squads, and the lord.

 

Here's my observations so far:

 

The sculpts: Fantastic. Every piece is unique. Think of World Eaters (new) and you'll have a good idea, except imagine an even greater departure from the standard "Chaos Space Marine" sculpts which are pretty darn good still. (I have a full Black Legion army of them.) The Backpacks are next level, as are the heads. 

 

There is a great balance here between new and twisted, and an homage to the old 2nd/3rd edition art line here. The bodies are less static than Primaris Marines. I'd say they struck a great balance of bodies in motion in relation to bodies 'aiming' or posing.

 

Quantity: I think it's decent. There's a lot of heads, but I wish there were a few more. The shoulder pads are good, a few extra will get you some good kitbash ideas for additional troops if you want. 

 

Assembly: I put my dual handed weapon arms together on the side, then glue them to the torso before they entirely dry. (IE: A bolter being held by two hands.) I admit I sometimes struggle to get the wrist angle right. This is GREATLY improved. The notch/angle of the wrist is very well detailed and creates an excellent fit into the forearms. This is almost fool proof now. (I still managed to have to rejig one or two, but nothing serious.) The legs... .same thing. No more guessing, or looking at the box photos to reimagine the angle of a shin connection to a knee joint. This is a new level of joint fitting for me.

 

Lord Exultant: Just a great, unique sculpt. It's rather inflexible on the build, but the variants are good, and most importantly the cape is easy to paint separately. This is important for me as I hate painting capes on the fig, and some of them are horribly to do separately. This is a nice change; I hope they keep doing it this way.

 

 

 

Right now I'm working on the Noise Marines which look amazing.. they are similar in build (not surprisingly) to the Havocs with a pinch of that excessive Noise marine look.

 

I hope everyone is making some good progress with their boxsets.

 

 

[Sume]

54 minutes ago, Prot said:

Well a minor update.

 

I do have a box coming but not sure when it will arrive.

 

I took a chance, and zoomed out to GW locally and waited in line. I got one of 6 boxes. Only 3 were visible so I was third in line and my first thought was (as ridiculous as this sounds) I'm lucky I got one.....

 

By the time I went to the til, they were pretty much gone. I asked the store manager if he had any more in the backroom. He said no. He only got three and he's considered a "high volume store" so it surprised him as well.

 

I did feel a bit of guilt. I know I will use both boxsets as I love the Lord, and love both troop types and do see needing 4 x 10. I plan to use the extra Noise Marines to kit bash some Flawless blades, or a Lord Kakophonist. 

 

So I had some time this weekend, assembled 1.5 troop squads, and the lord.

 

Here's my observations so far:

 

The sculpts: Fantastic. Every piece is unique. Think of World Eaters (new) and you'll have a good idea, except imagine an even greater departure from the standard "Chaos Space Marine" sculpts which are pretty darn good still. (I have a full Black Legion army of them.) The Backpacks are next level, as are the heads. 

 

There is a great balance here between new and twisted, and an homage to the old 2nd/3rd edition art line here. The bodies are less static than Primaris Marines. I'd say they struck a great balance of bodies in motion in relation to bodies 'aiming' or posing.

 

Quantity: I think it's decent. There's a lot of heads, but I wish there were a few more. The shoulder pads are good, a few extra will get you some good kitbash ideas for additional troops if you want. 

 

Assembly: I put my dual handed weapon arms together on the side, then glue them to the torso before they entirely dry. (IE: A bolter being held by two hands.) I admit I sometimes struggle to get the wrist angle right. This is GREATLY improved. The notch/angle of the wrist is very well detailed and creates an excellent fit into the forearms. This is almost fool proof now. (I still managed to have to rejig one or two, but nothing serious.) The legs... .same thing. No more guessing, or looking at the box photos to reimagine the angle of a shin connection to a knee joint. This is a new level of joint fitting for me.

 

Lord Exultant: Just a great, unique sculpt. It's rather inflexible on the build, but the variants are good, and most importantly the cape is easy to paint separately. This is important for me as I hate painting capes on the fig, and some of them are horribly to do separately. This is a nice change; I hope they keep doing it this way.

 

 

 

Right now I'm working on the Noise Marines which look amazing.. they are similar in build (not surprisingly) to the Havocs with a pinch of that excessive Noise marine look.

 

I hope everyone is making some good progress with their boxsets.

 

 

As someone thats new to Emperors Children.  Have dabbled with Chaos over the last 20 years.   Using my own or borrowing others stuff.  I also have a rather large Slaanesh Demons force.  I totally get how you feel about the pre order thing.  I didnt have the money for it.  Nor the desire to try and wait tell the online shop opened to experience the sold-out sensation.  When a good friend of mine asked me the Friday before release if I got it.  I told him no, and he was like lets try and get one.  

For a long day.  We travelled to the warhammer store we frequent the most.  He was sold out within 5 minutes of the 6 boxes he had.  We arrived 15 minutes late go figure right.  Then tried a second one in the area.  She was also sold out of all 6 she had.  We then decided to try a different major city.  On our way down, we stopped at a LGS that we tend to avoid for a lot of reasons.  Got the only spare copy.  OF course the LGS we like have 2 but the owner was not sure if he would have any.  Found that out on Sunday.  We then procced to visit 3 more stores.  The first store had one, the 3rd warhammer store didnt have anymore.  He sold out of all 6 too.  Then the third shop we got there around dinner time just sold the last of the their 3.  The hype seems real or a lack of supply.  I remember the hoops I had to go through while being a hobby shop store owner myself when GW redid the Legionares and stuff back in 2019.  I dont envy the stores having to deal with this one.

[Prot]

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time but I wanted to make a quick post on my first game last night.

 

I ended up playing coterie of the conceded.

 

My list was basically what I had put together with a few minor proxies:

Lord + 10 Infractors + Rhino

Lord + 10 Tormentors + Rhino

 

6 Flawless

Lucius (on his own, but stayed near the flawless)

 

Landraider w/ 2 squads of Noise marines (+ 1 Kakophanist)

Maulerfiend

 

Daemon Prince with Wings.

2 Spawn

 

My opponent (we roll for random opponents) was Genestealer cult. I had beaten this list my last 2 times with Ultramarines, and a VERY narrow win with Dark Angels (I think literally a 1 point win). This is a very good army.

 

Basically he runs a lot of cheap infantry and 4-5 vehicles with lasers and assault units. This is lead by 3 large squads you have to be able to handle: 2 Abberant squads which are gross and extremely suriviviable and hit like a truck (also -1 to wound when attacked by higher S than T.) And the third beefy squad he leads with is a large Genestealer squad with an HQ.

 

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Long story short I got whooped pretty bad. I mean the game was pretty much over in T3. The score was close but I had lost too much board control and couldn't kill much.

 

I levelled the 20 man squad for an early kill, but the Infractors were useless, and the Tormentors might have been slightly misplayed, but did nothing to the frontlines I faced.

 

Good and bad highlights:

 

- I thought the DP might not be a great idea in a small list, but in Coterie the ability to flip a dice into a 6 was huge.

- The Flawless are bad, but ironically against Aberrants they were AMAZING. I can't think of a single better use case in 40K for them. The only down side is not many attacks, and D2 against a T6, 3 wound models.

-More on Abberant beatdown: I couldn't kill these.... I mean one of his Abberant squads took attacks from 5 of my squads and maybe lost 2-3 models. Way too many resources. Only Lucius and the Flawless did anything.

-The Landraider was something I wanted to pull but it was literally the only thing I had that could make a deep threat. I hate to say it but without it, the army could not threaten all his laser tanks.

- Noise marines were disappointing. Good at removing chaff, but that's it. The Abberrants laughed them off, then due to the short range, would end up mauled in one instance. (the other squad kept running back until out of room). 

- I hate to say it but as I feared, the Kakophanist was extremely underwhelming. I know some argued with me on this, but his only saving grace is the time you get 1-2 mortal wounds on something. I think he should be 50 points tops, and I am considering removing him.

- The army needs predators.

- I felt the whole time my army was too small, and easily bullied. I obviously will have to play a bit better. I had played with my  World Eaters and did better against this army, so this did surprise me abit.

 

I'm a little stuck on what to change. I'll have to really reconsider the list at this point. 

 

 

[Rain]

Have you considered running Fulgrim? I know the model isn’t out yet, but he feels semi-mandatory to give the army punch. It’s sad because I personally prefer to run “my dudes” and exclude special characters, and especially primarchs, but it is what it is.