Emperors Children So, after much turmoil... here begins my Emperor's Children! (Painted pics.)

[Prot]

On paper, I don't like Fulgrim at all. In my case he plays into an issue I'm already seeing which is too many characters, not enough boots. 

 

He might be great, but Lucius is without a doubt a shining star in almost any list, and the Exaltant Lords are just great value characters.  

 

I admit I hit an absolute brick wall here. In the past my Deathwing Knights could stand and exchange blows over a long period of time, but E.C. cannot do that. In fact, I'd say my World Eaters actually hit harder than these guys. The Infractors struggled a lot after they got the charge off on the Genestealers. 

 

I will say as bad as this was, my opponent forgot to use fight on death built in to his Aberrants and I was just thinking.... wow that was rough enough. I can't imagine.

 

I know I had to leave a lot out of my mini report, but I forgot to add that after my 5 squads (including Lucius) hit the big Abberant squad and finally killed them, the HQ got back up on a 2+ and the squad went back into reserves and came out the next turn.... lol So I literally could hardly kill anything except the T3 plebs he uses to wall off charge lanes.

 

 

[Rain]

Fair enough. To be frank, I was mostly analogizing to WE, in which Angron does a ton of work for Berzerker Warband, even though E8B hit harder than FB, and ‘Zerks with the BW detachment hit harder than Infractors.

 

Of course part of that is also up to the resurrection rule, because if your opponent invests in killing Ron only for you to roll triple 6’s on 8D6, the game is pretty much over, which is not something that Fulgrim can do. I actually dislike swingy “I rolled well so I win” rules like this, especially ones that require no skill or planning to maximize the chance of (and offer the opponent no counterplay), it either happens or it doesn’t, but that’s another matter.

Edited March 22 by Rain

[Sume]

On 3/7/2025 at 7:46 AM, Prot said:

So with renewed enthusiasm, I've looked through my Chaos collection to see what else I have (besides the Rhino's) that I can 'steal' from Black Legion or World Eaters for the E.C.

 

I want to get the 'basic' stuff out of the way because being the  child I am, once the new EC arrive I'll have less than zero patience to paint a 'rhino'. lol

 

 So I found a nearly completed Maulerfiend kit. Not sure if it will make the list, but I thought I better paint it now. Not my favourite kit to paint, but armour is good, and I want to add it quickly. 

 

This isn't an amazing job, but it's good enough:

 

 

 

 

Hi there.  I love the rhinos.  So very colorful and I can see you airbrushed them for sure.  I was more curious as what was the demon looking mouth thing next to the marine gunner on the rhino to the right?  I have 2 chaos upgrade sprues I bought years ago that was intended for a renegade guard army that never really got off the ground.  Now I am just using them for EC and I see that bit on the sprue and was lost.  Thank you. 

Sorry for your game.  As I thought the army needs some long range threats and I dont know why we were not given more.  

[Tallarn Commander]

Sume, that demon-mouth bit does indeed come from the Chaos vehicle upgrade sprue So you can still find it in kits like the Chaos Rhino, Chaos Predator, Defiler. It is an adorable little bit that I've been meaning to use since 2002.

[Sume]

I have 3 of them and I am trying to figure out what it is meant to be.  Also, it so reminds me of the dungeon keeper PC box art.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

It's a Warp Siren, which was a vehicle upgrade in 3rd and 4th ed for chaos vehicles.  I seem to recall it giving a leadership penalty to nearby enemy units.

 

Since then, I've used it as a doom siren on my noise dreadnoughts, but really its just decorative now.

 

As for what it is, its basically a warp empowered speaker.

[Sume]

Thank you.  I do recall the Warp Siren upgrade now.  I think I had forgotten or no one in my area actually put it on the vehicles.  

[LSM]

9 hours ago, Dr_Ruminahui said:

It's a Warp Siren, which was a vehicle upgrade in 3rd and 4th ed for chaos vehicles.  I seem to recall it giving a leadership penalty to nearby enemy units.

 

I think it was originally intended to be the Dirge Caster vehicle upgrade.

 

(The 1999 Codex had a Slaanesh-flavoured Warp Amp upgrade, which decreased enemy leadership rather brutally - <18" -1, <12" -2, <6" -3. The 2002 Codex then added the Dirge Caster as an "Undivided" upgrade - giving nearby friendly units Fearless - and still having the Slaaneshi Warp Amp; though vehicles could not be equipped with both. The 2007 Codex then did away with all the Cult vehicle upgrades - Warp Amps, Coruscating Warp Flames, Nurgling Infestations, and Destroyers - and changed the Dirge Caster to -1 to enemy leadership when Tank Shock'ing.)

 

The Warp Amp had a rather neat conversion shown off in the 1999 Codex (that's also the Destroyer conversion in the image's top right corner:

Edited March 24 by LSM

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Trust @LSM to best remember the days of yore!  I am pretty certain his recollection is better than mine - so go with what he says instead.

 

And yes, @Sume, my recollection as well as that it was generally viewed as not worth the points and not fielded even then.

 

Edited March 24 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Prot]

Sorry, I meant  to answer this but yea, it's just the old Chaos Rhino Upgrade sprue back when they gave you a ton of these flavorful bits.

 

I am saving a few for 'headlights' on my new Rhino.

 

I'm thinking of running 3 Rhino's and trying the other Detachment out. But I will say the Coterie has amazing strats. They came in very handy. 

 

Also I like the... Peerless Bladesmen? The one that lets you pick between sustained and lethal hits in Melee if you charged. That is one of the detachment rules I think could have really helped me this game. 

[Prot]

On 3/22/2025 at 4:03 PM, Rain said:

Fair enough. To be frank, I was mostly analogizing to WE, in which Angron does a ton of work for Berzerker Warband, even though E8B hit harder than FB, and ‘Zerks with the BW detachment hit harder than Infractors.

 

Of course part of that is also up to the resurrection rule, because if your opponent invests in killing Ron only for you to roll triple 6’s on 8D6, the game is pretty much over, which is not something that Fulgrim can do. I actually dislike swingy “I rolled well so I win” rules like this, especially ones that require no skill or planning to maximize the chance of (and offer the opponent no counterplay), it either happens or it doesn’t, but that’s another matter.

 

You're right... it's a good analogy. It's hard to put my finger on but this army doesn't seem to be the blunt object of World Eaters overall. And that's fine, it's probably intended and makes sense.

 

I was just thinking in World Eaters I don't feel the need to take Angron either, but he doesn't hurt the army either. So how am I killing vehicles with WE?  And then I realized it's the lack of Predators. The Noise Marines are great anti-elite infantry.

 

So maybe I do have to pull the Landraider and just get heavier into the bodies. I really felt it in this game. I didn't have the ability to do actions. I always felt like I was trying to keep my head above water.

[Sume]

1 hour ago, Prot said:

Sorry, I meant  to answer this but yea, it's just the old Chaos Rhino Upgrade sprue back when they gave you a ton of these flavorful bits.

 

I am saving a few for 'headlights' on my new Rhino.

 

I'm thinking of running 3 Rhino's and trying the other Detachment out. But I will say the Coterie has amazing strats. They came in very handy. 

 

Also I like the... Peerless Bladesmen? The one that lets you pick between sustained and lethal hits in Melee if you charged. That is one of the detachment rules I think could have really helped me this game. 

It's all good.  I was looking at the upgrade sprue trying to spice up my 3 demois pattern rhinos and proteus land raider.  When I ran across them.  I was like what is this?  Looks like some sort of sonic weaponry.  Then of course forget that 3rd and 4th ed Chaos Marines had cult upgrade parts for the vehicles.  I ended up putting one on my Land Raider and I think the other 2.  I'll save for the mauler fiends or see if I can rig up something for a Noise Marine lord.