Leaked Drukhari Model, Lady Malys?

[Tokugawa]

Imo Drukhari are not "as old as" Eldar, either story or models.

 

One is in "these plastic kits are 10+ years old, a new set of kits with better detail and scale would help the sales" category. The other(before 2025 update) is "how dare they still sell 199X ancient metal/failcast to customers today?".

[Alby the Slayer]

ChildOfSevenwaters on reddit did a little ps magic and this is what she should looks like, more or less?

 

 

A little confusing so.. GW, the pointy ears is out of the bag now, do the reveal! 

Edited Tuesday at 07:24 AM by Alby the Slayer

[Xenith]

12 hours ago, TheMawr said:

When someone was skeptical on the accidental Fuegan slip for example, as they said people packing it would know, I pointed out that its very likely people working in packing do not know what they are packing at all, might not even speak the language ( here at least this is often the case in packing jobs ) and in general it sounds like the kind of job you have to do on auto-pilot with your mind logged off.

 

A while back, only about 50% or less of the mail order packing staff were into the hobby, same as the bugmans staff - they don't all play the game, it's just a decent job in the area. 

[CL_Mission]

1 hour ago, Xenith said:

 

A while back, only about 50% or less of the mail order packing staff were into the hobby, same as the bugmans staff - they don't all play the game, it's just a decent job in the area. 

Heck, even some people in the hobby would miss it. I was talking about this leak with someone yesterday who I know has been in the hobby as long as me but even they don't have a good grasp and what models Dark Eldar do or do not have, they wouldn't know anything about Lady Malys or the Duke or the Baron. If they came across this model they probably wouldn't give it a second thought and just assume it's some  Drak Eldar model that's always been around.

[Halandaar]

It's great to see any character from the 5th Edition book finally getting a model after all these years, but Malys is the weirdest pick imo given the design overlap between her and Yvraine (I was always of the opinion that Malys had effectively been repurposed into Yvraine back in 8th but I suppose this has proven me wrong)

 

If nothing else, hopefully it means we will see Baron Sathonyx and my old warlord Duke Sliscus one day!

[Ripper.McGuirl]

7 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

It's great to see any character from the 5th Edition book finally getting a model after all these years, but Malys is the weirdest pick imo given the design overlap between her and Yvraine (I was always of the opinion that Malys had effectively been repurposed into Yvraine back in 8th but I suppose this has proven me wrong)

 

If nothing else, hopefully it means we will see Baron Sathonyx and my old warlord Duke Sliscus one day!

I have always been of the same mind with Yvraine/Malys, design wise. Lore-wise, Malys is probably the one that has shown up the most often in the various codexes and snippets, I think. 
My feeling is that it is likely there is more coming in this wave (whenever it may be), as if there was only a single model coming out, Malys *would* be a very odd choice.

[TheMawr]

22 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

It's great to see any character from the 5th Edition book finally getting a model after all these years, but Malys is the weirdest pick imo given the design overlap between her and Yvraine (I was always of the opinion that Malys had effectively been repurposed into Yvraine back in 8th but I suppose this has proven me wrong)

 

If nothing else, hopefully it means we will see Baron Sathonyx and my old warlord Duke Sliscus one day!

 

When we first saw the rumor engines of Yvraine and then the unveiling I held the same theory, it was the whole reason I got invested, however not long after it was proven wrong through Jes goodwins interviews on the subject ( not that he explicitely said so, but when you follow a lot of his interviews you know that if it was the case, he would definitely have let it slip ) and even more his original concept for Yvraine not having the elements we associate Yvraine and Malys with :

 

 

I think the subsequent sculptor who got the job of turning the sculpt into a miniature really really wanted to have a Lady Malys miniature 

 

I think both having the fan isnt that redundant though, if anything else, they maybe should add more fans throughout dark eldar/corsairs/Ynnari if they ever do more. I mean when you think about it, its not that different as multiple imperial characters carrying books or the imperial cruxes, the only reason it doesnt feel like that is because we dont have it. But it adds an interesting exoticness imho. ( same with Triskele, wich imho is heavily underused.) But by all means, there need to be men with fans as well... Always have been a big fan of fans.

4 hours ago, Alby the Slayer said:

ChildOfSevenwaters on reddit did a little ps magic and this is what she should looks like, more or less?

 

 

A little confusing so.. GW, the pointy ears is out of the bag now, do the reveal! 

 

I like the effort though, is this the same person who did the digital assembly of the Deathguard character ? He/She might really be doing everyone a service.. shortly after GW showed of said character, while some of the models leaked only in sprue form took a bit longer to be shown off ( Some TOW sprue and flesh eater court sprues a while back.)

 

However I think the stuff at the height of the ears are actually the shoulderpads, and what is as a piece of cloth and a big plate on the shoulder goes in the square peghole on the back of her skirt. ( however then one popular eldar meme... wich is eldar butts.. couldnt be represented.)

 

[Ripper.McGuirl]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

When we first saw the rumor engines of Yvraine and then the unveiling I held the same theory, it was the whole reason I got invested, however not long after it was proven wrong through Jes goodwins interviews on the subject ( not that he explicitely said so, but when you follow a lot of his interviews you know that if it was the case, he would definitely have let it slip ) and even more his original concept for Yvraine not having the elements we associate Yvraine and Malys with :

 

 

I think the subsequent sculptor who got the job of turning the sculpt into a miniature really really wanted to have a Lady Malys miniature 

 

I think both having the fan isnt that redundant though, if anything else, they maybe should add more fans throughout dark eldar/corsairs/Ynnari if they ever do more. I mean when you think about it, its not that different as multiple imperial characters carrying books or the imperial cruxes, the only reason it doesnt feel like that is because we dont have it. But it adds an interesting exoticness imho. ( same with Triskele, wich imho is heavily underused.) But by all means, there need to be men with fans as well... Always have been a big fan of fans.

 

I like the effort though, is this the same person who did the digital assembly of the Deathguard character ? He/She might really be doing everyone a service.. shortly after GW showed of said character, while some of the models leaked only in sprue form took a bit longer to be shown off ( Some TOW sprue and flesh eater court sprues a while back.)

 

However I think the stuff at the height of the ears are actually the shoulderpads, and what is as a piece of cloth and a big plate on the shoulder goes in the square peghole on the back of her skirt. ( however then one popular eldar meme... wich is eldar butts.. couldnt be represented.)

 

I am pretty sure the sprue is showing us she’s got a gigantic collar behind her head.  The shoulder pads are on either side of it and match up with the shoulders on the body bit.

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, Ripper.McGuirl said:

I am pretty sure the sprue is showing us she’s got a gigantic collar behind her head.  The shoulder pads are on either side of it and match up with the shoulders on the body bit.

 

Yes, thats exactly what Im saying, but is not done right in the assembly :

 

The person making the mockup put the object in the bottom left corner ( with blue arrow ) on the shoulders, and has what are obviously the shoulders ( red arrow, part of the collar ) higher up as sme sort of neck/ear hight decoration.

But I think what is used as a shoulder pad in the assembly is an element that goes on the backside peg ( also shown with a blue arrow.)

[Tastyfish]

Fair enough on the Corsair link, I couldn't quite remember the full details and Valrak is usually a little sketchier on the Xenos side of things so wasn't sure if the name Yriel was one that had initially come from the chat. Between Corsairs, Harlequins, Exodites and Ynari, there definitely is enough for an "Aeldari Agents" book but I can't see that coming out this edition. 

 

Wyches in Kill Team seems an absolute must, it's the perfect place for all their fancy gladiatorial weapons to shine as their own unique styles rather than merely being special weapons adding an extra attack or some extra AP, or worse still - just generic 'wych' weapons in a squad.

[Dr. Clock]

Indeed - pretty sure the 'bigger shoulder pads' are in fact tassets - upper thigh armour.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, Dr. Clock said:

Indeed - pretty sure the 'bigger shoulder pads' are in fact tassets - upper thigh armour.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

Tassets, didnt know the word, but thats indeed what I meant At one time I tried "butt shoulder pads" but that didnt read right haha, so I went with the language Im most familiar with ;)

 

Upon further inspection I do think I got it slightly wrong though, the tassets indeed go on the side and the flatter part of the dress, but the bigger peghole seems to be more fitting with the shape that the segmented "tail" has ( at first I wondered if it would make a snake decoration from her hair.) though Im not 100% sure there.
I wish we got GW or assembled pictures sooner, I can over analyse any sprue or blurry picture.. imagine one that is right up my ally. ( but I did warn there would be lot of speculating by me in this topic )

 

 

[Chapter Master Valrak]

Just a heads up, this may not be the only model released with DE this edition. 

Anyway back to my vacation 

[darkhorse0607]

Just now, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Just a heads up, this may not be the only model released with DE this edition. 

Anyway back to my vacation 

You've got plenty of gators to fight for Dorn. Focus

[TheMawr]

27 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Just a heads up, this may not be the only model released with DE this edition. 

Anyway back to my vacation 

 

It would honestly have been more suprising for a last codex of the edition if it was.. and yet the subjective pessimism/fear is hard to control, so this is good to hear, despite me never ever trusting your rumors on things I really really want

 

9 hours ago, Tastyfish said:

Wyches in Kill Team seems an absolute must, it's the perfect place for all their fancy gladiatorial weapons to shine as their own unique styles rather than merely being special weapons adding an extra attack or some extra AP, or worse still - just generic 'wych' weapons in a squad.

 

Absolutely, while their current rules are not great, I dont think having each individual arena weapon having a different profile really makes it better for 40k itself. Personally I think a more universal profile for the unit works in theory, and its not that element that is the problem.

But, their collection of individual specialists nature is made for kill team, wich has been clear before as wyches have been select candidates in previous incarnations ( including Shadow War Armageddon, wich is kinda kill team ) and when the boxes had one side with an upgrade sprue I expected wyches to be a featured one sooner rather than later.

Now the upgrade sprue kill teams are seemingly done, that hasnt changed though. The gladiator elements would shine, and could even be expanded upon ( more fans! )

 

I know the more popular wish for a kill team is Archons court ( and, I could see that happening now with more Warcryish kill teams popping up ) but I think it also stems from a fear they wouldnt happen otherwise. ( but HQ+retinue units is a thing GW does more regularily lately.) I think the 40k rules for the court might get very messy if they introduce them as a kill team and thus a bigger roster of attaches than they are now, while for wyches either nothing changes or it becomes a voidreavers/voidscarred thing.

[Alby the Slayer]

1 hour ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Just a heads up, this may not be the only model released with DE this edition. 

Anyway back to my vacation 

 

If true, possibly because they had this one ready for at least 2023 and now they have something else too for the codex release?

Or maybe she's a part of a small Drukhari wave?

 

Now, when you will come back, you MUST talk about what you heard, otherwise it's just cruel!

[Tokugawa]

Are you really eager to see your basic battleline unit get update in a £47.5 KT box form?

[CL_Mission]

5 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Just a heads up, this may not be the only model released with DE this edition. 

Anyway back to my vacation 

That's great news!

 

2 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

Are you really eager to see your basic battleline unit get update in a £47.5 KT box form?

Not really but if Wyches were to come to Kill Team I'd hope they take the opportunity to make them Hekatrix Bloodbrides rather than regular wyches, an elite option rather than basic battleline troops. Do I really want to pay £47.5 for Hekatrix Bloodbrides? No, but it's an easier pill to swallow and I probably would at the end of the day, I know what I'm like.

[Jukkiz]

could valraks rumours mean new uriel and archons?

[Iron Father Ferrum]

I don't think they need a new kit -- still look cool as hell -- but Guardians got embiggened a bit so maybe the Kabalites will too?

[TheMawr]

7 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

Are you really eager to see your basic battleline unit get update in a £47.5 KT box form?

 

If it means getting the quality and content of for example the corsair kit ?
Yep, absolutely, without a doubt.

Its not the most popular opinion but I think the prices for battleline arent too bad compared to what I paid when I started where I required 3-4 full price metal blisters to fill up a squad ( sometimes the newer plastic kits still end up cheaper.) yet the variety, (subjective) quality and customization options are far greater in modern generation plastic kits ( those released since around Admech.)

This doesnt mean I apologetically consider all pricing to be good, some elites units are really on the edge, and characters are ridiculously priced at times. Especially those single build low ranking ones you might need multiple of (warlocks are completely unreasonable), wich is something the richer modern battleline kits ( especially if they are also Kill team kits.) help in as you have the bitz to really kitbash those type of characters from them.

 

But with all that Im more a hobbyist, I can imagine from a pure gamer pov battleline pricing is much worse, as they have seen the prices of plastic kits go up from the "more token than miniature" days where you had a box of 10 of the exact same battleline models for the price of a single 2-3 ( 4 even in my early days) model blister to triple of or quadruple that.

 

regardless of all of that I do think GW will be ( and already has been ) updating all pre-7th edition battleline units, of wich currently only Catachans (1999), Kabalite warriors & Wyches (2010), Grey Knights (2011) and Tyranid warriors (2014)  are left. Technically Orks dont have a modern multipart Boyz kit, only a more etb type one and both the battleline daemons as well as tactical marines are in a bit of an uncertain place. ( personally I do think 11th comes with "primaris" tacticals but thats a very different topic.)

And while most people objecting to those updates have a "rather want something else updated" rather than a fiscal argument, I think there probably is a good sales reason why those battleline updates usually come with a bigger release wave, so I think that worry is ungrounded, because if battleline gets updated the release is probably a bigger one. Apart from Kill team I havent seen a "just battleline" update in recent years ( or ever ? ) nor have I seen a big release not being accompanied by battleline units of some form, its not an instead of, its an in addition to situation. Though ofcourse its just a subjective interpretation.

Edited Wednesday at 01:30 PM by TheMawr
changed of to or

[grailkeeper]

Dark EIdar waiting ages for a range refresh. a 2009 era problem but at 2025 prices. 

[Mogger351]

7 hours ago, CL_Mission said:

That's great news!

 

Not really but if Wyches were to come to Kill Team I'd hope they take the opportunity to make them Hekatrix Bloodbrides rather than regular wyches, an elite option rather than basic battleline troops. Do I really want to pay £47.5 for Hekatrix Bloodbrides? No, but it's an easier pill to swallow and I probably would at the end of the day, I know what I'm like.

If they bring back trueborn and bloodbrides I don't want them to simply be wyches and kabalites with an extra attack, leadership and a few extra special weapons. They need more of an identity and a reason for existence than "special weapon unit" as that's already held by scourges.

[ThePenitentOne]

5 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

If they bring back trueborn and bloodbrides I don't want them to simply be wyches and kabalites with an extra attack, leadership and a few extra special weapons. They need more of an identity and a reason for existence than "special weapon unit" as that's already held by scourges.

 

Scourges don't fill that role from a couple of different points of view: on the flavour side, scourges are mercs: they aren't "loyal" to the Kabal, Cult or Coven as a "true" member would be; given the low adherence to loyalty as a concept in Drukhari society, it may perhaps be more fitting to say that as hirelings, they can pick and choose the jobs they take, where true members of a Kabal, Cult or Coven cannot.

 

From a rules point of view, their lack of keywords associated with their lack of membership in a Kabal, Cult or Coven may make their strat use more cumbersome than Trueborn, Blood Brides or Haemoxcytes might.

 

Also: if Marines get a dozen redundant unit choices, then other factions deserve a playing field that's at least a few kits closer to level.

 

Having said all that: Ideally, carving out a different role for these units than their battle-line counterparts would be cool, and is a goal that designers should strive for. Also, the idea of every unit having its own datacard rule, love it or hate it, does help create design space to differentiate battlefield roles, so I'd say there's a good chance we'll see some of that.

[Mogger351]

7 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

Scourges don't fill that role from a couple of different points of view: on the flavour side, scourges are mercs: they aren't "loyal" to the Kabal, Cult or Coven as a "true" member would be; given the low adherence to loyalty as a concept in Drukhari society, it may perhaps be more fitting to say that as hirelings, they can pick and choose the jobs they take, where true members of a Kabal, Cult or Coven cannot.

 

From a rules point of view, their lack of keywords associated with their lack of membership in a Kabal, Cult or Coven may make their strat use more cumbersome than Trueborn, Blood Brides or Haemoxcytes might.

 

Also: if Marines get a dozen redundant unit choices, then other factions deserve a playing field that's at least a few kits closer to level.

 

Having said all that: Ideally, carving out a different role for these units than their battle-line counterparts would be cool, and is a goal that designers should strive for. Also, the idea of every unit having its own datacard rule, love it or hate it, does help create design space to differentiate battlefield roles, so I'd say there's a good chance we'll see some of that.

 

Hard disagree, fluff wise they do represent different branches of society yes. That's not really relevant to the point I was making though.

 

With regards strats etc I guess... maybe? But trueborn are missed because people ran an archon and 4 blasters in a venom. They're not missed for anything other than the fact they were a special weapons caddy you could zoom about at 20".

 

Scourges exist as a mobile/point insertion special weapons squad, so lack the transport element. So the only real difference is they were kabalites with more gun, but "marines have redundant choices and bloat so DE can too" is a weird argument.