Space Wolves Logan Grimnar + Arjac Rockfist + Njal Stormcaller + Wolf Guard Terminators

[crimsondave]

4 minutes ago, TheVoidDragon said:

Some fantastic stuff there, far better update than what some of the other Space Marine subfactions got recently!

I've seen a lot saying that these are somehow "less wolf", but that just seems odd to me. They have the same amount of wolf theming as they've always had; every miniature here is covered in various teeth, claws, wolf-icons, skulls, furs etc to no less extent than it has been since 3rd edition with their classic codex. Complaining about it seems to be completely missing how they've been all along too, they aren't "Viking theme, with some wolf", it's the other way around - the wolfy-ness is their primary element.

If they continue riding around saddled up on wolves and flying wolf shaped aircraft I’ll concede the point to you.

[DemonGSides]

57 minutes ago, Frogian said:

but wasn't that the same from 2nd till 7th? it was only with primaris and 8th that SW got access to regular space marine units. otherwise they have always been the ones where everything bar vehicles is bespoke. BA were never gonna end up with as many units. (this isn't to say BA players shouldn't feel short-shrifted on the Death Company front)

 

Not really, no.  In 5th we got the Tac Squad (Or was it 6th?) so even just on that axis, BA players are used to having bespoke kits even for normal SM units; we had access to some of the best GW bits in extremely generous quantities.  DA got a little shafted, but even then, ICC iconography is easy to sprinkle around the force as well as their upgrade sprue having a lot of character to it.  BA upgrade sprue is "Here's some vampire heads, here's your shoulderpads, here's 10 keychains" and that's about it; none of our normal angel iconography, nothing to harken to the idea of BA as master artisans who use their artistic chops to bend the red thirst to their whims as opposed to being in it's thrall.  Just really anything that would make our force look good.  SW can take any of their previewed stuff so far and really outfit an entire range of space marine things with Wolf-y bits and BA REALLY got shafted on that angle, DA to a somewhat lesser extent.
 

But to answer the supposition about unit count (Which wasn't my point); I wasn't asking for bespoke units in the sense of datasheets, but there's no good reasoning behind Death Company being a paintjob unit; if you WANTED to do that, you were always able to do that, and as one of our most iconic units, it deserved a kit that actually gave some character, as opposed to something that basically ate our entire upgrade sprue as well as increasing the cost to even field the unit; these SW boxes are going to be in line with a normal SM box, but if you want DC, you've gotta buy a AInt box PLUS at least one Upgrade Sprue, probably two.  That's brutal if you didn't manage to get in on the early boxes.

 

I don't want to belabor this any more because it should be about celebrating SW's pretty awesome refresh so I won't keep on complaining.  But as a BA player who got their refresh 6 months ago, I'm pretty annoyed at the disparity.

[Nephaston]

Bye bye sled, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

Not much else to say beyond what was already said; these look mint.

 

[HeadlessCross]

The Terminators themselves look good, but based on what's being shown I have a bad feeling they're going to go the same route of Datasheet that Chaos Terminators did, which makes for a clunky unit I hate reading or rolling for. 

[Son of Rawl]

Guessing this was what the main design team was working on when Blood Angels were being refreshed.

 

Just hoping that Bjorn is still around, and not given the Yarrick treatment.

[siegfriedfr]

This update is simply an homerun.

Much better than Dark Angels, and the less said about Blood Angels, the better.

[Jukkiz]

why isn´t arjacs shield still that towering slab, he was told to have?

[Northern Walker]

These look great, Njall can probably be well converted for other rune priests too.

[INKS]

Me and Space Wolves after seeing these models all day

"Did we just become Best Friends?" YUP!

[Hfran Morkai]

Oh my...

 

I do wish the Wolf Guard Terminators kept their old customisation options. I understand in a game with no points granularity it's not really viable.

 

I'm liking these though.

[Beef]

8 hours ago, Lexington said:

Really dig Grimnar. This is, IIRC, his third model so far, and every single one's been a winner*.

 

Everything else is varying shades of solid. Real nice release for the Wolf fans out there.

 

^{* Well, the actual Grimnar part, anyway. The less said about that damn sled, the better.}

100% agree all his previous incarnations were all great. 

 

Njal on the other hand looked amazing in termie armour. The new model looks great but the old one looked better to me. That could have just been scaled up and I would have been happy. 

[Moonstalker]

I'm pretty pleased with all these models.  The amount of ornamentation matches the new models we've already seen; it's tasteful and not excessive.  Some runes, some charms, some wolf tails, some gems.  Feels like gems and runes predominate, though the wolf skulls on the terminator armor is a little excessive.  I might have to carve off the emblems from their knees.

 

I'm really eager to try a molten steel effect on Logan's axe.  Arjac's model is interesting, with the molded-in battle damage and smithing tongs and hammer hanging from his belt.  The bonding studs on terminator armor is not something that I think I've seen before.  I don't think I'll do it, but I imagine someone out there will use one of those wire techniques to create some lines of electricity from the teleporter studs on his wrist connecting to the ones on his hammer, and it'll look absolutely sick.

 

I'm in the camp that OSL should be used sparingly and with purpose, and I think Njal might be a good candidate for some.  GW went partway with the glowing runes on his staff, but they might look even better casting some light onto his face, hands, and beard.

 

I'm worried about how the wolf guard terminators will look, datasheet-wise.  I think it's probably safe to assume they'll have master-crafted power weapons like Bladeguard.  Without the right special rules, stratagems, detachment rules, etc, I think that might fall short of the amount of killing power they really need.

 

Most of all, I'm worried about dropping $400+ on a pre-order.  That's most of my hobby budget for the year.  But seeing my best friend struggling to find anything Eldar in stock, I think I had better pre-order.

Edited 15 hours ago by Moonstalker

[Wispy]

It's funny GW didn't choose to lead with the models in this perspective/configuration. I had trouble processing Logan's pose until I saw the other angle and Arjac hammer throw pose is immediately turns an already great model  amazing head on.

 

[INKS]

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

1 hour ago, Wispy said:

It's funny GW didn't choose to lead with the models in this perspective/configuration. I had trouble processing Logan's pose until I saw the other angle and Arjac hammer throw pose is immediately turns an already great model  amazing head on.

 

The detail on these models is incredible. Really going to push my paint skill to the limit. That angle on Arjac is great. I probably model him as holding Foehammer but that is a nice option.

Njal is beautiful. Someone needs to convert a diorama of him in the middle of a storm. Might be my favorite model of the refresh.

Terminators look nice. The poses make lend movement to the model.

My only hang-up was/is Logan's pose. This angle is helpful and I think I am coming around to it. The model matches well with the attitude of the most recent fluff on Logan. The dynamism of the model is not what he's doing but what he's about to do. The face is too shaded for my taste. And what's he doing with that hand? Gonna pet his good boi? Love the base and the general idea behind the model. I really would like to see a 360 of the model. The model is quite grimdark and might need a paintjob to match.

In general I am worried about the lack of special weapons in the SW units.

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

I like Logan a lot, couple of small gripes are that the rock seems very large and as my brother pointed out to me he seems a bit skinny for a terminator, kind of like the 6th edition Belial sculpt. The rest of them look cool too. Love Arjac and Njal. The terminators look good, especially love the claws on the champion although it kinda sucks there aren't more fists in the box. I'd like it better if they had the option of taking stormbilters and power fists, though I suppose you could kitbash them with the vanilla termies, using SW bodies, heads and shoulder pads and 'nilla storm bolters and power fists. Even using the vanilla data sheet as the wG datsheet probably won't have those options as they're not in the kit.

Edited 11 hours ago by FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants

[Nephaston]

3 hours ago, INKS said:

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

you don't need space wolves.

You say, just as you catch yourself idly calculating any potential cash you might have lying around. Just as a thought experiment of course.

[Old-Four-Arms]

Very pleased with the lightning claw design. This bodes well for the rumored / upcoming Assault Terminators.

 

Njall not being in Terminator armour is a bit of a miss for me personally.

[Plaguecaster]

He  looks far better here  than he ever did on that stupid sled they thought suited him

I also noticed they've specifically called it a codex and not supplement so that likely means wolves will be losing access to alot of the standard marine stuff like how the chaos legions do 

Will be interesting to see what the lose and remain access to 

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

13 minutes ago, Plaguecaster said:

He  looks far better here  than he ever did on that stupid sled they thought suited him

I also noticed they've specifically called it a codex and not supplement so that likely means wolves will be losing access to alot of the standard marine stuff like how the chaos legions do 

Will be interesting to see what the lose and remain access to 

I missed the part where it’s stated to be a proper codex as opposed to a supplement, may very well put a dampener on those stormbolter and power fist Wolf Guard Terminators I mentioned above that I would have like doing if I ever get around to starting a Wolves army. :(

[gideon stargreave]

1 hour ago, FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants said:

I missed the part where it’s stated to be a proper codex as opposed to a supplement, may very well put a dampener on those stormbolter and power fist Wolf Guard Terminators I mentioned above that I would have like doing if I ever get around to starting a Wolves army. :(

I just built a bunch with all sorts of forbidden weapons, when they get played, I'll just counts them as axes and shields or whatever

[Karhedron]

8 hours ago, Moonstalker said:

I'm worried about how the wolf guard terminators will look, datasheet-wise.  I think it's probably safe to assume they'll have master-crafted power weapons like Bladeguard.  Without the right special rules, stratagems, detachment rules, etc, I think that might fall short of the amount of killing power they really need.

 

Right now Storm Bolters are pretty anaemic so I am perfectly happy with the option to swap them out for a Stormshield. There are a lot of unknowns with WGTs at the moment such as whether we can run a mostly SS squad but have an Assault Cannon in there. I will be interested to see the final stats.

[Wormwoods]

Boooo for more named special characters, but those terminators are lovely. Great pose on the brrrrrrrrt-marine. Really taking advantage of that terminator slouch to make these lads seem heavy.

 

I suppose they are old fogeys.

[Tokugawa]

3 hours ago, Plaguecaster said:

He  looks far better here  than he ever did on that stupid sled they thought suited him

I also noticed they've specifically called it a codex and not supplement so that likely means wolves will be losing access to alot of the standard marine stuff like how the chaos legions do 

Will be interesting to see what the lose and remain access to 

It's 100% a codex supplement

[ZeroWolf]

It would have been odd if it wasn't a supplement, as that would make them the only loyalist sm chapter to fully go independent (ala the God specific chaos legions).