I've recently come into some Chaos Space Marines, around 3.2k of them; I have questions

[Helias_Tancred]

Subject says it all.

 

I've been in the hobby since 2012. I've never collected CSM nor to be frank played against them much. So I'm a newbie on them. 

 

Straight CSM. Either new on the sprue, NIB, or built and primed in wraithbone or chaos black? None are the old first gen CSM, these are all the new more recent and slightly larger sculpts. Very nice sculpts. I plan to build/paint them as Black Legion. 

 

Let me get to my questions so far:

1. If you build the Chaos Lord with the accursed weapon (which in the kit is the axe) and then you go with the power fist on the left hand instead of the plasma pistol does that mean when he attacks in melee he gets his accursed weapon attacks AND the power fist attacks?

 

2. To lead the 5 man Chaos terminator squad what would you recommend? A Chaos lord in terminator armor, or a Sorcerer in terminator armor? The re-rolls to advance and charge that the latter has seems sorta clutch for that unit?

 

3. What is the best build for the Hellbrute? After looking at his rules I was thinking twin lascannons, hellbrute fist, and heavy flamer?

 

4..  I'm going to list what I have, and you experienced CSM players can let me know if this is a pretty decent collection in terms of throwing together some lists? My main intent is to have them as that "other army" that I can use to teach someone to play 40k, or if I want to take a break from my Dark Angels and try something new, or one of my friends comes over and wants to play them, etc etc. So anyways here's what I have:

 

30 Legionaries

10 Raptors 

5 Chosen

5 Possessed

20 Cultists

5 Chaos terminators

2 five man Havoc squads, one with autocannons and the other with missile launchers

Abaddon

Fabius Bile + surgeon gimp

Chaos sorcerer

Dark Apostle + assistants

Master of Possession

Lord Discordant on helstalker

Warpsmith

4 Obliterators 

2  Venomcrawlers

Forgefiend

Hellbrute

Chaos Rhino 

Chaos Predator Annihilator 

 

How am I doing with this? I was thinking in the future maybe a chaos Land Raider, another chaos rhino? Anything obvious like a jump pack character like Haarken Worldclaimer, or a Chaos lord with jump pack to lead the raptors?

 

Looking for analysis, ideas to grow it, criticisms, things to avoid, etc etc. 

 

Thanks. 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Helias_Tancred

[Helias_Tancred]

Also any advice on building the Forgefiend?

 

Also just from my research I think another 5 Chosen and a Chaos Vindicator would be wise choices. 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Helias_Tancred

[Tallarn Commander]

1.  No, the lord chooses which weapon. Most folks go with hammer plasma currently.
2. Either could work, but the Sorc is considered slightly more effective.

3. Any number of configurations could work. I also usually take fist and twin lascannon.

4. With this collection you can run a number of fun, solid lists. Note that Havoc missile launchers are considered the worst heavy weapon they can take. It’s not good at all in the current edition.

 

These days most folks build the Forgefiend with triple plasma. I love my Chosen. I don’t have a Vindicator but it is generally considered a good, albeit swingy, tank. 

 

Welcome to Chaos!

Edited 6 hours ago by Tallarn Commander

[Helias_Tancred]

2 hours ago, Tallarn Commander said:

1.  No, the lord chooses which weapon. Most folks go with hammer plasma currently.
2. Either could work, but the Sorc is considered slightly more effective.

3. Any number of configurations could work. I also usually take fist and twin lascannon.

4. With this collection you can run a number of fun, solid lists. Note that Havoc missile launchers are considered the worst heavy weapon they can take. It’s not good at all in the current edition.

 

These days most folks build the Forgefiend with triple plasma. I love my Chosen. I don’t have a Vindicator but it is generally considered a good, albeit swingy, tank. 

 

Welcome to Chaos!

 

Thank you for answering my questions!

 

Hammer and plasma it is then. Yeah when I looked at the Chaos Lord in Terminator armor and the Sorcerer in terminator armor I actually liked the stats of the lord better, he's a dependable beat stick, but that re-roll advances and charges is just TOO good for that unit imo. Noted on the hellbrute. I need a little more AT anyways. The havocs are already built, my good friend built them in early 9th edition I believe? I can always proxy them and just state upfront they are lascannons?

 

Glad to know I can do some fun stuff with this collection. After reading in detail the weapon configuration of the Forgefiend, I agree, triple plasma looks solid!

 

I've never had a chaos collection EVER since I've been in the hobby. I've done Blood Angels, Crimson Fists, Dark Angels, and Black Templars but never anything Chaos. I always told myself and my friends I'd never play any "chaos filth" but if I did it would be Black Legion or Thousand Sons. Well, here I am lol, with a Black Legion collection to be my foil to my Dark Angels and a spare collection for teaching people how to play 40k, or me or my 40k friends running them out of interest or a change?

 

I kinda like Haarken Worldclaimer over a Chaos Lord with jumpack for a character to go with that raptor squad. Thoughts on that? Also when building legionaries, let's say you have 3 ten-man squads, how many do you make as more melee focused, and how many you make more shooty focused?

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Helias_Tancred

[HeadlessCross]

1. You choose between the attacks. I usually go Fist/Hammer so that I have slightly more reliable hitting in the event of melee modifiers. Doesn't happen a lot, but that situation being prepared for is superior to a few Plasma shots in a game. 

2. That would depend on the detachment, but generally Terminator Sorcerer is better since he'll buff their shooting too. 

3. No build for the Helbrute works LOL. Just take all melee weapons if you plan to rush up, or two range weapons if you don't. Mix build doesn't work. 

4. That you have Fabius makes me think you should go towards Creations Of Bile for a list, but to learn the game a bit better I'd recommend Renegade Raiders or Pactbound. How large is the list supposed to be?

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Helias_Tancred said:

 

Thank you for answering my questions!

 

Hammer and plasma it is then. Yeah when I looked at the Chaos Lord in Terminator armor and the Sorcerer in terminator armor I actually liked the stats of the lord better, he's a dependable beat stick, but that re-roll advances and charges is just TOO good for that unit imo. Noted on the hellbrute. I need a little more AT anyways. The havocs are already built, my good friend built them in early 9th edition I believe? I can always proxy them and just state upfront they are lascannons?

 

Glad to know I can do some fun stuff with this collection. After reading in detail the weapon configuration of the Forgefiend, I agree, triple plasma looks solid!

 

I've never had a chaos collection EVER since I've been in the hobby. I've done Blood Angels, Crimson Fists, Dark Angels, and Black Templars but never anything Chaos. I always told myself and my friends I'd never play any "chaos filth" but if I did it would be Black Legion or Thousand Sons. Well, here I am lol, with a Black Legion collection to be my foil to my Dark Angels and a spare collection for teaching people how to play 40k, or me or my 40k friends running them out of interest or a change?

 

I kinda like Haarken Worldclaimer over a Chaos Lord with jumpack for a character to go with that raptor squad. Thoughts on that? Also when building legionaries, let's say you have 3 ten-man squads, how many do you make as more melee focused, and how many you make more shooty focused?

 

 

 

Yeah triple plasma for the Forgefiend. 

 

Hearken is dependent on if you want an Enhancement on the Raptors, but generally you don't. 

[Helias_Tancred]

40 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

1. You choose between the attacks. I usually go Fist/Hammer so that I have slightly more reliable hitting in the event of melee modifiers. Doesn't happen a lot, but that situation being prepared for is superior to a few Plasma shots in a game. 

2. That would depend on the detachment, but generally Terminator Sorcerer is better since he'll buff their shooting too. 

3. No build for the Helbrute works LOL. Just take all melee weapons if you plan to rush up, or two range weapons if you don't. Mix build doesn't work. 

4. That you have Fabius makes me think you should go towards Creations Of Bile for a list, but to learn the game a bit better I'd recommend Renegade Raiders or Pactbound. How large is the list supposed to be?

 

lol poor Helbrute. We're mostly playing 1k games.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Helias_Tancred