New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[The boater]

The picture behind the “18 sided dice” is from the old Book 3 Extermination from 1st edition. You can just make out the foot of the dead MkII iron warrior. 
 

[TheVoidDragon]

1 minute ago, The boater said:

The picture behind the “18 sided dice” is from the old Book 3 Extermination from 1st edition. You can just make out the foot of the dead MkII iron warrior. 
 

 

Interesting. Makes me think they might all be 'fake' teases and the dreadnought art might be from something already released too.

[The boater]

12 minutes ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

Interesting. Makes me think they might all be 'fake' teases and the dreadnought art might be from something already released too.

It’s possible, but I haven’t seen that one before… it’s immediately recognizable as leviathan inspired, but it’s different enough to be its own thing. Might be the only new thing they showed off, lol

[INKS]

an 18 sided not a 20? odd

[twopounder]

6 minutes ago, INKS said:

an 18 sided not a 20? odd

Not really.

 

You'll only be able to buy them from GW. Dice are razor thin margin. Unlikely anyone will try to replicate them at scale.

[Gorgoff]

You can buy d18 already. 

And the leg is from an Leviathan. People hve already compared it. Those pictures all doesn't show anything new.

They joke about the most popular rumours. That's the theme of this  website. It's a fun site to tease us a little but who knows if they won't post some true things on it? 

We will see.

I for once was very amused by the whole thing. Good work GW :D

 

[TheArtilleryman]

Fascinating. A bit odd, but fascinating.

 

I know this is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I think the fact it’s explicitly stated like a fact in the video confirms that there will be a new edition, not just a re-box/FAQ update. New models will be exciting, but new edition already makes me a little sad as I’ve said in other threads. I won’t be buying into the rules on this one; I’ll just stick with the three big black books I already got. I have plenty of RG stuff to keep me going for HH anyway.

[Pacific81]

7 hours ago, INKS said:

an 18 sided not a 20? odd

I'm guessing it will be missing 2 and 11?

 

There was a video from Jervis Johnson a while back saying the missing Legions were left as 'hooks' for future writers/developers to pick up on. What are the odds on a Crusade-era boxset featuring one of the lost Legions? 1/20? 

[TheArtilleryman]

3 minutes ago, Pacific81 said:

I'm guessing it will be missing 2 and 11?

 

There was a video from Jervis Johnson a while back saying the missing Legions were left as 'hooks' for future writers/developers to pick up on. What are the odds on a Crusade-era boxset featuring one of the lost Legions? 1/20? 

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[brother_b]

Leaving a little mystery for speculation and wondering is always a good idea. The missing legions provide all of that.

 

I quite enjoyed the video and found it humerous.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, TheArtilleryman said:

Fascinating. A bit odd, but fascinating.

 

I know this is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I think the fact it’s explicitly stated like a fact in the video confirms that there will be a new edition, not just a re-box/FAQ update. New models will be exciting, but new edition already makes me a little sad as I’ve said in other threads. I won’t be buying into the rules on this one; I’ll just stick with the three big black books I already got. I have plenty of RG stuff to keep me going for HH anyway.

Legitimate question, what makes the HH community so change adverse? The impression is given that honestly it feels like sometimes getting nothing would be better than GW pushing the system as a success (which is what the 3yr cycle would represent).

[Xenith]

If you listen to the first words, they confirm a new edition is on the schedule, which is cool.

 

The 24th June lines up with previous releases, I think preorder early-mid june for release mid-late. GW will also want to act fast on this teaser now the internet is talking about it.

 

My guess would be official  preorder 14th June for release on 28th. Announcement May 15th or 17th. Preorder/release a week earlier is possible, feeling too soon, however GW have been planning tis for a while. 

 

 

[Pacific81]

6 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Legitimate question, what makes the HH community so change adverse? The impression is given that honestly it feels like sometimes getting nothing would be better than GW pushing the system as a success (which is what the 3yr cycle would represent).

Having spoken to a number of people who play the game, part of the reason many like the system is that it's a shelter from the storm of constant release upheaval & rat race that 40k goes through.

 

You can collect an army, take a couple of years putting it together and savouring the details, and half of it won't be invalid or unplayable by the time you've finished.

[Valkyrion]

The 3 year cycle for 30k actually works better than it does for 40k, provided that either a) the Libers aren't invalidated by the update, or b) all Libers are released within the first 6 months.

 

Where 40k falls down is the 30 or so required codexes per edition means some players only get their X edition armies for a few months. As long as 30k resists the temptation to try and release 18 Legion Codexes then buying a new edition every 3 years and then simply being left to it is quite nice, no matter the flaws or imbalances - this is it for three years and if somethings broken, find a way around it or self regulate because we may or may not do a FAQ at some point. 

[Mogger351]

48 minutes ago, Pacific81 said:

Having spoken to a number of people who play the game, part of the reason many like the system is that it's a shelter from the storm of constant release upheaval & rat race that 40k goes through.

 

You can collect an army, take a couple of years putting it together and savouring the details, and half of it won't be invalid or unplayable by the time you've finished.

Largely that's true of any of their systems though. But the games GW lets sit in purgatory don't really get any support - so would you accepted fewer releases and less support in return for being left alone I guess is the question. Because that results in a game dying eventually in the conventional sense.

 

Edit: the royal "you" here, not any one specific person.

Edited 14 hours ago by Mogger351

[Robbienw]

3 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

You can buy d18 already. 

And the leg is from an Leviathan. People hve already compared it. Those pictures all doesn't show anything new.

They joke about the most popular rumours. That's the theme of this  website. It's a fun site to tease us a little but who knows if they won't post some true things on it? 

We will see.

I for once was very amused by the whole thing. Good work GW :D

 

 

 

The leg is not from a Leviathan.

[Pacific81]

8 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Largely that's true of any of their systems though. But the games GW lets sit in purgatory don't really get any support - so would you accepted fewer releases and less support in return for being left alone I guess is the question. Because that results in a game dying eventually in the conventional sense.

 

Edit: the royal "you" here, not any one specific person.

I and wargaming buddies still play Epic Space Marine/Armageddon and 2nd edition 40k, so am probably the wrong person to ask lol.

 

I guess GWs business model is built off that constant release cycle and then a consumer base who insist on new things coming out for it constantly. But, in my view a game is still alive if people are playing it and it has a community. 

Armageddon still gets sell out events in the UK despite no new official minis in 20 years.

In the mid 2010s, Blood Bowl had a 500+ attendance tournament in Europe before the relaunch happened (maybe that convinced GW? Who knows)

 

So in that sense if a game is very good, it can stand on its own as a system and miniature range, it doesn't need 'change for the sake of change' update releases.

But as said GW have made that a business model, and I think a good number of fans really into the setting and minis expect that now - I think a lot of 30k players like that they arent subject to quite the same artificial release recycle, and the community is no less stronger because of it. Anyway, sorry have gone off a bit on one there!

 

[Gaz Taylor]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

Legitimate question, what makes the HH community so change adverse? The impression is given that honestly it feels like sometimes getting nothing would be better than GW pushing the system as a success (which is what the 3yr cycle would represent).

I think it's because of the concern about things changing about how your very expensive models will work and all those expensive books you've brought are no longer in use.

 

1 hour ago, Xenith said:

My guess would be official  preorder 14th June for release on 28th. Announcement May 15th or 17th. Preorder/release a week earlier is possible, feeling too soon, however GW have been planning tis for a while. 

Yeah I would think it would be something like this. Partially because it looks right, but also because it's a good start for the financial year for GW! 

 

[Halandaar]

16 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Largely that's true of any of their systems though. But the games GW lets sit in purgatory don't really get any support - so would you accepted fewer releases and less support in return for being left alone I guess is the question. Because that results in a game dying eventually in the conventional sense.

 

You say that, but games like Mordheim still have communities playing them, and indeed Warhammer Fantasy survived in a couple of iterations until GW resurrected it themselves. The relentless invalidation and replacement of 40k over the last several years has really given me a new appreciation for the "dead" game. I'm working my way through getting hold of all the Warcry books in case that is the next one on the chopping block.

 

As far as Heresy goes, anything other than a rules cleanup which keeps all the existing faction rules useable makes me *less* interested in it, not more.

[skylerboodie]

Siege of Terra: Era of Ruin anthology limited edition is likely to drop at the same time, so mid June definitely seems right - given I'll be on holiday and unable to order then, so that tracks

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

Legitimate question, what makes the HH community so change adverse? 

We see 40k and dread that HH becomes that as well.

[TheArtilleryman]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

Legitimate question, what makes the HH community so change adverse? The impression is given that honestly it feels like sometimes getting nothing would be better than GW pushing the system as a success (which is what the 3yr cycle would represent).

For me it is simply that I wanted to collect heresy for a decade. I finally got the chance and invested in over 5000 points of stuff plus the Rulebook and Libers Astartes and Hereticus last year. Potentially getting a new edition a year later that changes all the rules and points just burns a bit after that investment.

 

Is there a chance I might pick up a copy of a new box set if I can find an eBay bargain as dirty cheap as the one I got last year? Maybe. But am I going to go forking out a hundred quid for a new set of books when I don’t play competitively? Nope

 

What might save it is if the rules change but the Libers stay valid and don’t get changed. The Rulebook comes in the big box and eBay will be flooded with cheap ones. However, with the hints that they are bringing more new units into the game, I am not hopeful that this will be the case. In 40K, when codexes have remained valid at the launch of a new edition, there has literally never been a time when they haven’t still replaced them later.

Edited 13 hours ago by TheArtilleryman

[Matcap86]

Them using art of one of the old Black Books but with the new logo on... Wishlisting: Made to order reprint of the Black Books, but with just the lore as a hype vehicle for the new releases?

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

2 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

Having spoken to a number of people who play the game, part of the reason many like the system is that it's a shelter from the storm of constant release upheaval & rat race that 40k goes through.

 

You can collect an army, take a couple of years putting it together and savouring the details, and half of it won't be invalid or unplayable by the time you've finished.

I still remember when I bought the Catachan codex back in the day. A true force for jungle warfare without any tanks but instead with the ability to use traps and use hidden troops at the start of your game. There were also dedicated jungle warfare rules in the codex and how to build a jungle environment from scratch. So I began to build terrain for the first time in my hobby career and paint my Spacenam dudes. When everything was finished the Catachan codex was obsolete and I never got a jungle warfare game in up to this day. So I had to do solo games to experience this joy of wargaming.

[Matcap86]

They now have an instagram account posting cryptic teasers:

https://www.instagram.com/thehorushearsay