New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Pacific81]

NM HH 2.0 vs 3.0 I'll still use whatever miniatures with 40k 2nd edition rules, feeling like that old Luna Wolves Dreadnought who gets woken up mid-way through the Heresy and just has absolutely no idea what's going on! 

[LameBeard]

8 hours ago, Mandragola said:

 

I'd be interested to hear what kind of content people would like to get for 3.0. We could easily write about which units are best (unless GW shocks us all and all the units are balanced perfectly) but I always feel that's kind of obvious, and the community doesn't seem to want content that might be seen as competitive. Would that be useful?

I think you are asking what kind of Goonhammer content would we like? I guess I’d say I want a critical friend of GW. GW always say “it’s the best edition ever” but in reality, often tough choices have to be made in game design:

 

Do the rules reflect the lore?

Does it play quickly?

Does it keep the other player involved?

Does it offer interesting tactical choices - in list building and on the table?

Are the rules intuitive?

Does it strike the right balance between luck and skill?

Are there feel-bad moments and gotchas?

Does it scale well to smaller and larger games? Or more/less terrain-dense tables? Or smaller/larger tables.

 

All of these are difficult to answer based on one read-through, but you guys know your stuff, you may get some hints. Of course there is not “one right answer” to any of these things. Personally I think “Reactions” were an over-reaction, a panic that somehow the non-active player no longer has an attention span to let an opponent have a full turn. But some people LOVE the reaction system.

 

TLDR: try to draw out what some people will like about the changes and why.

[Marshal Loss]

Looking at how to get the most out of subpar units is a valuable one - in a game with as many units as 30k, written as it is by the specialist games team, there are often a lot of very cool concepts that fall through the cracks. They might not ever be top tier but seeing a review dismiss them out of hand doesn't contribute much, save that kind of thing for competitive 40k articles.

[sarabando]

for me id like to see reactions limited

ZM rebuilt from the ground up and put into its own book. 

legacy units and exemplorary battle units supported still 

more consistency across wargear options for all units. (very weird what some units can take and what they cant) 

 

better support for small fast games too. 

[Xenith]

For GH I'd like to see something on how to help people create a theme for their army - this is often a stumbling block in getting people started, or in a game where some things cannot kill everything (unlike 40k/AoS) how to cover your bases strategically. Maybe tips and tactics for odd rules interactions? 

 

For 3.0 I don't need to see much: 

 

- rules tidied up and in a logical place/order.

-Some streamlining - do we need inexorable+stubborn+fearless, or would fearless (1) fearless (2) etc work? 

- limit reactions to max 3 per phase. Units are not allowed to intercept unless they have the rule or wargear that allows it.

-make aircraft relevant again 

- limit save tanking - every model must receive a wound before a second can be allocated. 

- bring tanks in line with dreads - remove sunder from lascannons or increase cost, double hull points, or change explodes to d3 hull points instead of destroyed.

- blast markers - if the hole is over a model, that unit takes 2 hits, like titanicus. 

 

[Joe]

Some more "updates" this morning.

 

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Bolter Blues?
Apparently botguns are going to S3 in the new edition. Huge boost to survivability of marines on foot.

Another possible bonus to Salamanders playstyle?

 

 

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Pump the brakes
Now hearing WHITE SCARS in the box. Are we seeing loyalist vs loyalist? Or maybe more than 2 legions in the box?

 

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Flame weapons ftl
Hearing flame templates are HALFING in size. Feels rough on armies like salamanders, but depends what else we see happen to weapons. There’s always melta.

 

[Valkyrion]

Is a faction focus once a month too much to ask? I've never worked or operated such a website, so I have no idea on the financial/time/personnel aspect of it, but to do 5 and then abandon it is worse than not doing it at all. 

There's 18 legions, plus the various other factions so easily two years worth of content.

The Heresy content you did was good, probably the best out there in my narrow field of view, it just fell off a cliff. Reviews don't really count as 'important' content to me - a bad model review isn't going to change whether my army needs an Arvus or not, whilst faction focus, transport tactica, hidden gems and so on are things you can keep going back to. 'my mate has started a White Scars army, I'll go on goonhammer and read what they have to say about them. Sweet, they have a Land Speeder tactica too!'. etc. 

 

[Astartes Consul]

10 minutes ago, Joe said:

Some more "updates" this morning.

 

 

 

 

 

Impossible not to read this syntax in the voice of a YouTuber. Someone at WarCom HQ is having a lot of fun here.

[Mogger351]

14 minutes ago, Joe said:

Some more "updates" this morning.

 

 

 

 

I've been existing in the belief that at every step there's a truth, a half truth and an outright lie in everything they've done. I can only assume the S3 bolters might be the truth... if there is one?

[Astartes Consul]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I've been existing in the belief that at every step there's a truth, a half truth and an outright lie in everything they've done. I can only assume the S3 bolters might be the truth... if there is one?

 

Or, the White Scars references is pointing to a final release of plastic bikes...

[LameBeard]

21 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

 

Impossible not to read this syntax in the voice of a YouTuber. Someone at WarCom HQ is having a lot of fun here.

Yeah but it’s becoming a bit samey now. Am I meant to be laughing at the same joke each week? Troll those you-tubers by all means, but at some point you are trolling your customers …

[Valkyrion]

I think this 'confirms' hand flamer, flamer and heavy flamer templates. 

 

[Gaz Taylor]

2 minutes ago, LameBeard said:

Yeah but it’s becoming a bit samey now. Am I meant to be laughing at the same joke each week? Troll those you-tubers by all means, but at some point you are trolling your customers …

Only until 22nd May which I imagine they will show everything off at the Dallas Preview.

 

I think it's ace and I'm hoping for another "leaked" video. Hopefully something teasing a model kit but the person getting the pictures is being chased by a security guard 

[Ripper.McGuirl]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

I've been existing in the belief that at every step there's a truth, a half truth and an outright lie in everything they've done. I can only assume the S3 bolters might be the truth... if there is one?

Well, I’m not sure what it says for boltguns, but you may have a point for these mysterious “botguns” they mention.

[Chapter Master Valrak]

1 hour ago, LameBeard said:

Yeah but it’s becoming a bit samey now. Am I meant to be laughing at the same joke each week? Troll those you-tubers by all means, but at some point you are trolling your customers …

 

Be funny if the boxset just leaked 

[LameBeard]

19 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

 

Be funny if the boxset just leaked 

The troll-ers became the troll-ees (say it in Chandler Bing voice)

 

unless they are ready for that - and flood the zone with a bunch of fake potato cam leaks.

[Marshal Rohr]

35 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

 

Be funny if the boxset just leaked 

….did it?

[Irate Khornate]

It will be interesting to see what all jokes and trolling the people working over at the community can come up with. 

[Hfran Morkai]

Didn't they previously state flamer templates doubled in size?

 

So my guess is flamer templates aren't changed, they doubled then halved. 

[MARK0SIAN]

15 hours ago, Mandragola said:

 

I'd be interested to hear what kind of content people would like to get for 3.0. We could easily write about which units are best (unless GW shocks us all and all the units are balanced perfectly) but I always feel that's kind of obvious, and the community doesn't seem to want content that might be seen as competitive. Would that be useful?

To be honest, the content GH produced about the Heresy was great ( I mean the in depth stuff like the legion overviews etc). There just wasn’t enough of it. The recent in depth look at the mechanicum was good but it arrived as we are counting down the months to the new edition. I can’t remember when the last in depth piece before that had been but it feels like it was a while ago.
 

I’d like more of the stuff you were doing, just more often. A Legion overview each month would be good. If it came to a choice, I’d rather have that than something like a model review (not that there’s anything g wrong with the model reviews, but if I had to choose it would be the in depth stuff).

[sarabando]

dropping bolters to S3 seems really odd to me too, i dont think ive ever hear some one complain bolters are a broken part of the game. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

1 minute ago, sarabando said:

dropping bolters to S3 seems really odd to me too, i dont think ive ever hear some one complain bolters are a broken part of the game. 

Dropping Bolters from S4 to S3 was needed as a form of therapy for Little Timmy because he was addicted to hard, unforgiving bolter p*rn.

 

"With S3 his tiny plastic puppets tend to cuddle more", was one concerned mother cited in the Daily Bugle.

[Astartes Consul]

4 hours ago, LameBeard said:

Yeah but it’s becoming a bit samey now. Am I meant to be laughing at the same joke each week? Troll those you-tubers by all means, but at some point you are trolling your customers …

 

I don't see it as trolling, just some mild poking fun. And while it will get samey if it keeps going for months, for me at least, I'm still quite enjoying the fun of trying to work out what, if anything, is a legit kernel of truth.

[MARK0SIAN]

Today’s 3 comments are the hardest to gauge out of all of the drops so far. On the others it’s always felt like at least one of them was probably true and it was fairly easy to work out which one. Bolters going to S3, the white scars or the flamer templates sounds unbelievable so not sure what it is.
 

It’s also the first day without a picture so maybe all three really are red herrings?

Edited Monday at 05:03 PM by MARK0SIAN
Typo - meant to say UNbelievable

[sarabando]

17 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

Today’s 3 comments are the hardest to gauge out of all of the drops so far. On the others it’s always felt like at least one of them was probably true and it was fairly easy to work out which one. Bolters going to S3, the white scars or the flamer templates sounds believable so not sure what it is.
 

It’s also the first day without a picture so maybe all three really are red herrings?

i think that from today we have 

2 legions in the box (IW vs Sallies) 

they hint at other special weapons (rumours of new disintegrators in the box)

Huge boost to survivability of marines on foot (plastic breachers)