New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

2 hours ago, TheWarmaster said:

The fact that Saturnine are in squads of 3 has utterly put me off. 
I can’t stand 3 man squads in 40K/HH and I hate that GW seems to be doing it more and more often. 
I miss the days when everything was in multiples of 5/10. 

They look like Obliterators in regards to sheer size and those came in squads of three models. And Gee-Dubbs used to sell you two Obliterators to create a squad of three because that is the Nottingham version of "Rule of Three". Count yourself lucky that apparently an intern packaged the HH 3.0 box contents as he is still uninitiated in the deep mysteries and folklore of Nottingham because this time you really will receive three models.

[Astartes Consul]

6 minutes ago, Joe said:

Chap on the Heresy Discord that leaked the box contents has just flagged that the Legion "Arcane Journals" seem likely given what he's been told, containing;

 

• Exemplary Battles Units
• Legion-specific Units
• Army List Variants (Rites of Wario, Army List Mutations, etc)
• Legion-specific Wargear
• Legion-specific Consuls
• Named Characters / HQs

 

Are the proposed Arcane Journals a bolt-on to the Liber/whatever the equivalent is? Or do they contain *all* the rules for a specific Legion?

[Cyrox]

11 minutes ago, Joe said:

Chap on the Heresy Discord that leaked the box contents has just flagged that the Legion "Arcane Journals" seem likely given what he's been told, containing;

 

• Exemplary Battles Units
• Legion-specific Units
• Army List Variants (Rites of Wario, Army List Mutations, etc)
• Legion-specific Wargear
• Legion-specific Consuls
• Named Characters / HQs

 

If this turns out to be true, then its a proper kick in the jewels for the legions that end up being last.

I really hope its Loyalist book, and a Traitor book again, at release

[Gaz Taylor]

I have lots of conflicting thoughts about the leak. 

 

Firstly, I LOVE the set. I think it looks really good and ticks loads of boxes. Gives me lots of nice nostalgia with a modern twist (also 80s Shoulder pads!!!!!). My first introduction to GW was around the Rogue Trader time (but didn't start doing stuff until 2nd edition after Hero Quest) and this set ticks lots of boxes. Hopefully the new edition updates some of the things I want (bit of streamlining and less wordy stuff). 

 

Secondly, I'm a bit sad/disappointed as I was really enjoying the Horus Hearsay campaign. I thought it was a great bit of fun and I was looking forwards to checking the site and speculating about stuff. That's gone now and I'm a bit sad about it and bit sad on behalf of the people in GW who were running it and allowed to do it like this. I bet that was a fun project to do.

 

Thirdly, I'm hoping there will be plenty of stock when it gets released. I just see there not being enough stock and scalpers making small fortunes, which makes me annoyed.

 

But the models, the theme and set looks amazing. I really love it and very excited.

 

 

[TheWarmaster]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Seems an odd thing to feel so strongly about, why don't you like it?

 I honestly don’t know. I just hate the massive influx of 3 man squads these days. 
It’s put me off a lot units, like the DG Deathshroud, the WE big possessed boys and the EC flawless blades type guys. The SW head takers and the many other 3 man units out there. 
I just really like units in multiples of 5 for some reason. I can’t explain why haha. 

[apologist]

Slightly cleaned-up pic, courtesy of TrojanNinja

 

 

Lots to like here for me! While the models are obviously Legion-agnostic, it's nice to see both Salamanders and Iron Warriors getting some time in the burning nuclear heat sun. The text confirms the box contains the 'Third Edition Hardback Rulebook' – and the presence of the familiar templates suggests to me that the rules are refinement rather than revolution.

 

As far as I can make out, the text reads:

'Inside this box you will find everything you need to field a mighty army in the service of the Emperor of Mankind or the [???] Warmaster Horus.

• Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness [???]-page Third Edition Hardback Rulebook
• Plastic Tactical [???] & Objective Tokens
• Two Rules Reference Sheets
• Twenty-five six-sided Dice and one Scatter Dice
• [Templates?], [two?] Ranger Ruler & one Template Sheet
• Introductory Rules & Construction Guide

– INCLUDES 50 CITADEL MINIATURES –

• One Saturnine Praetor
• One Centurion in MkII Power Armour
• One Saturnine Dreadnought
• One Arak[???] Quad Accelerator Platform
• Six Saturnine Terminators
• Forty Legionaries in MkII Power Armour
• Two sets of Disintegrator Weapons'

 

 

Model-wise, everything looks delightful.

• The Saturnine Terminators look just the right sort of goofy to me, and the Dreadnought looks appealingly chunky and threatening. Part of me is sad that it's not a reimagined/rescaled Castraferrum/box Dreadnought, but I prefer this to the Leviathan.
• It's great to see Mark II marines, and while they look to (again) be on the same digital dollies as the Mark VI and Mark III, I'm looking forward to clearer pictures.
• The characters are quite OTT, but I reckon a bit of conversion work will do wonders; and on first impressions, I do like what we can see better than the Consuls in the last box.
• The fixed emplacement is not really my sort of thing, but nice enough for what it is.

 

Slightly sad to see that the more out-there rumours like the D18 were, as expected, a bit of a tongue-in-cheek joke(!) – and for those fearing push-fit miniatures weren't a joke, note the 'glue required' note at the bottom.

 

Now... my gang is reckoning at £195 or £210 for this box. Anyone want to venture any other guesses?

Edited 20 hours ago by apologist

[Xirix]

3 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Of the six non character terminators seen only three have pairs of plasma, the other three seem to have some form of autocannon or other double barrelled implement and a fist each.

On the front of the box they seem to have those double barrelled guns with a fist having another gun on it, while one of the three has a plasma cannon? So many Heavy weapons on terminators makes me think of these as Devastator Terminators, Or maybe Obliterators pre-fleshening.

 

 

I'm fairly sure these are the same poses as MkVI and MkIII.

 

 

Ah poop, yeah I think you're right.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Really need some nonpotato cam pics now GW

[Varyn]

1 hour ago, Cyrox said:

 

If this turns out to be true, then its a proper kick in the jewels for the legions that end up being last.
 

 

It could be worse, Dark Angels players in HH1.0 waited 8 years for their full legion rules 

 

 

 

 

[PerfectChocolateMadeleine]

1 hour ago, apologist said:

Slightly cleaned-up pic, courtesy of TrojanNinja

 

 

Lots to like here for me! While the models are obviously Legion-agnostic, it's nice to see both Salamanders and Iron Warriors getting some time in the burning nuclear heat sun. The text confirms the box contains the 'Third Edition Hardback Rulebook' – and the presence of the familiar templates suggests to me that the rules are refinement rather than revolution.

 

As far as I can make out, the text reads:

'Inside this box you will find everything you need to field a mighty army in the service of the Emperor of Mankind or the [???] Warmaster Horus.

• Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness [???]-page Third Edition Hardback Rulebook
• Plastic Tactical [???] & Objective Tokens
• Two Rules Reference Sheets
• Twenty-five six-sided Dice and one Scatter Dice
• [Templates?], [two?] Ranger Ruler & one Template Sheet
• Introductory Rules & Construction Guide

– INCLUDES 50 CITADEL MINIATURES –

• One Saturnine Praetor
• One Centurion in MkII Power Armour
• One Saturnine Dreadnought
• One Arak[???] Quad Accelerator Platform
• Six Saturnine Terminators
• Forty Legionaries in MkII Power Armour
• Two sets of Disintegrator Weapons'

 

 

Model-wise, everything looks delightful.

• The Saturnine Terminators look just the right sort of goofy to me, and the Dreadnought looks appealingly chunky and threatening. Part of me is sad that it's not a reimagined/rescaled Castraferrum/box Dreadnought, but I prefer this to the Leviathan.
• It's great to see Mark II marines, and while they look to (again) be on the same digital dollies as the Mark VI and Mark III, I'm looking forward to clearer pictures.
• The characters are quite OTT, but I reckon a bit of conversion work will do wonders; and on first impressions, I do like what we can see better than the Consuls in the last box.
• The fixed emplacement is not really my sort of thing, but nice enough for what it is.

 

Slightly sad to see that the more out-there rumours like the D18 were, as expected, a bit of a tongue-in-cheek joke(!) – and for those fearing push-fit miniatures weren't a joke, note the 'glue required' note at the bottom.

 

Now... my gang is reckoning at £195 or £210 for this box. Anyone want to venture any other guesses?

noooo the Mk II legs don't seem to layered like the old sculpts but rather segmented :( very unfortunate though I'm sure many people prefer this look

[MoriyaSchism]

I'm only going to comment on the things I see clearly. 
 

• The Saturnine Praetor: He looks really over the top and bad. I am curious about seeing his plasma weapon up close once we get some better pictures, the rest doesn't look salvageable. 
• Saturnine Terminators: I've thought about them for a bit after I saw them and I realized why they were bothering me, they aren't actually Terminators they look closer to Centurions and the 3 man unit seals the deal for me. The dual plasma weapons look quite bad. They don't appear to look like any other plasma variant in the Imperial Army and Space Marine Legion arsenal. They look like a mix between the plasma mortar from the Thanatar and one of the Titan plasma weapons.
• Saturnine Dreadnought: I don't like this either. The legs look fine but upper body seems really strange it gives off the silhouette of an upside down egg on legs. At a glance it looks like there are too many gaps in the armour plates on the body. The weapons on it once again don't appear to look like the usual Dreadnought weapons. The bit of loose piping on the plasma weapon looks bad. The other weapon I can't recognize, if it's a disintegrator I'm pretty disappointed by how it looks. Looks like a really stubby oversized multi-melta.
• Accelerator Cannon Gun Platform: I like how this looks. I would love to see a clear view of it. 
• Mark II Armour Infantry: They looks perfectly serviceable, but I can't see what pattern of bolter they are holding.  The Mark 2 Praetor looks alright too.
• Disintegrator Weapons: In this image quality they look like elongated melta guns held in a really awkward way. I will reserve judgement on these until I get a better look at them.

I'm not really disappointed. It's Horus Heresy, as long as I have the rules I can convert whatever I like but I doubt I will be using the Saturnine Terminators as I don't like three man heavy infantry squads. I already have some ideas about the Saturnine Dreadnought because of the way the armaments are distributed on it. I think I'll be combining a Deredeo chassis with some spare Leviathan arms as a stand-in for it. The Deredeo already has two cutouts on its hull for the extra weapons the Saturnine has. I think that might look better than the base Saturnine model. I might get this box if I can sell the Saturnine part of it easily.

[CL_Mission]

2 hours ago, Mandragola said:

I like the mk2s and dread but I’m not too impressed with the saturnines and I don’t care about the turret. I actually wonder if the terminators are push fit, as that was one of the hearsay rumours. They kind of look like they could be. 

We see the terminators with two different load outs on the box which make me think they won't be push fits. It's always possible we get six push fit termines, three with option A and three with option B but I feel confident they'll just be the regular kits.

I wonder if the dread will get the treatment that the Contemptor did in the Age of Darkness box where the one in the box with basic options then later the regular release came with an extra sprue of gubbins. Alternatively it might be like the Leviathan and have two kits available, one focused on range and the other on melee.

[SvenIronhand]

It's funny to see the divided reaction to the Saturnine stuff. Most of the people on Discord love it. But the Heresy oldtimers here on B&C :cuss:ing hate the Terminators.
 

[sarabando]

il be honest the artisitic design they are going for is pretty bad in my personal opinion. 

everything on the sallies side of this just triggers the "3rd party proxy" part of my brain. 

[Dagoth Ur]

What a nice surprise to wake up to!

• Saturnine Praetor: This is a no for me. Don't like the pose, the hammer is weird and the additional sculpting on the shoulders does not work for me. Easy pass.
• Saturnine Terminators: These are a real mixed bag for me. I do like the more exo-skeletal nature of them, reminds me a lot of the idea that TDA is in part based on old exo-armours and protective suits. The double plasma outfit looks a bit weird. I do think they need some form of tabard or loincloth to mask the oddly elongated mid section a bit and I'd prefer if the shoulders were a bit lowered. I reckon I'll have some fun converting them. What I will say I do like is that this feels like a foray into terminators that aren't just smashy bricks but more of a heavy support choice.
• Mark II Centurion: From what little I can see of him, I like him a lot more than the 2nd Edition box praetors.
• Mark II Marines: I think people need to let go of the whole layered vs. segmented armour debate. Given how casting plastic minis works they were never going to be layered without some horrible undercutting issues. These I am most excited for to throw into my Alpha Legion.
• Disintegrators: Now these I am hyper curious for. It's a pet-favorite weapon of mine and seeing them on veterans and in bigger blocks of marines seems very interesting. The design, what little I can make out of it, seems to be a really nice raygun sci fi type of gun. Definitely gonna work some into my various lists.
• Saturnine Dreadnought: I am surprised at how much I like it. Curious to see what sort of role it will occupy in the legion list but more dreads is always a good thing in my book. I wish they had a bit of armour on their thighs but I can easily fix that myself. I particularly like the more tubular plasma gun design. Very funky.
• Gun Platform: Don't really care much about that one. Seems decently sculpted but its whatever.

All in all this is definitely a yes for me.

[Old-Four-Arms]

34 minutes ago, CL_Mission said:

We see the terminators with two different load outs on the box which make me think they won't be push fits. It's always possible we get six push fit termines, three with option A and three with option B but I feel confident they'll just be the regular kits.

I wonder if the dread will get the treatment that the Contemptor did in the Age of Darkness box where the one in the box with basic options then later the regular release came with an extra sprue of gubbins. Alternatively it might be like the Leviathan and have two kits available, one focused on range and the other on melee.

The rear of the box states "tools required " and "glue required", so I'm expecting full models, no ETB.

 

EDIT : IMO, right hand weapon for the Termies could be a disintegrator-type weapon as well. Front of box also shows a plasma & "disintegrator" loadout. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Old-Four-Arms

[Hellath]

For the life of me, I cannot understand how if they leaker had the box set in a car right by their side (presumably outside GW's Studio), clearer pictures couldn't be taken, and now we are in the same situation as with the 2nd edition leak years ago. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Hellath

[Dark Shepherd]

8 minutes ago, Hellath said:

For the life of me, I cannot understand how, if they leaker had the box set in a car right by their side (presumably out of the GW Studio), clearer pictures couldn't be taken, and now we are in the same situation as with the 2nd edition leak years ago. 

Dude had multiple boxes too!

[WARMASTER_]

Happy to see MKII finally! The Saturnine Terminators were never going to do it for me but I think I’ll have to look the the Dread IRL before I decide I love everything about it but the shoulder pads if they’re removable I’m all in

[Lord Marshal]

My initial thoughts, based off PotatoCam.

• I don't hate the Dreadnought as much as I expected based off the initial rumours. I still think the Leviathan beats it for 'Bigger Badder Dread' but I'm not as down on it as a lot of people are - I think if you took off the Saturnine pauldrons it would go down a lot better. My main concern is that pose looks very stiff, so hopefully the legs are aren't a bugger to get it in a different position.
• Terminators are... Saturnine Terminators. Yeah. Not much else to say there really. The dual-plasmas look a bit awkward.
• Saturnine Praetor I'm not sure about. He's definitely got A U R A but I can already hear the "he looks like a 40k model!!!" videos from here, much like the plastic MkVI Praetors. I'd need to see him in HD to make an educated comment on him.
• MkII Praetor looks like a Fafnir Rann kitbash in a good way.
• MkII looks like that one sketch from person-whose-name-I-forgot-sorry that was floating around, so I'm pretty happy. Again, will need to see thm in HD because it's difficult to gleam much from the Potato Cam aside from being in the MkIII/VI poses we all knew they would be.
• Accelerator-Cannon looks fine. I am surprised just how literal Valrak was being when he said it's a bigger Quad-Cannon, because it really is.
• Interesting that the Disintegrator is marked as a Veteran Squad, though I guess it makes sense when they've tended to be pretty rare weapons (Seekers, Destroyers and IH iirc?)

Edited 18 hours ago by Lord Marshal

[Nephaston]

11 minutes ago, Hellath said:

For the life of me, I cannot understand how, if they leaker had the box set in a car right by their side (presumably out of the GW Studio), clearer pictures couldn't be taken, and now we are in the same situation as with the 2nd edition leak years ago. 

Didn't even verify that all the sprues were there. And I doubt this one can kist ask customer service for any replacements.

[TheWarmaster]

39 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I'm only going to comment on the things I see clearly. 
 

• The Saturnine Praetor: He looks really over the top and bad. I am curious about seeing his plasma weapon up close once we get some better pictures, the rest doesn't look salvageable. 
• Saturnine Terminators: I've thought about them for a bit after I saw them and I realized why they were bothering me, they aren't actually Terminators they look closer to Centurions and the 3 man unit seals the deal for me. The dual plasma weapons look quite bad. They don't appear to look like any other plasma variant in the Imperial Army and Space Marine Legion arsenal. They look like a mix between the plasma mortar from the Thanatar and one of the Titan plasma weapons.
• Saturnine Dreadnought: I don't like this either. The legs look fine but upper body seems really strange it gives off the silhouette of an upside down egg on legs. At a glance it looks like there are too many gaps in the armour plates on the body. The weapons on it once again don't appear to look like the usual Dreadnought weapons. The bit of loose piping on the plasma weapon looks bad. The other weapon I can't recognize, if it's a disintegrator I'm pretty disappointed by how it looks. Looks like a really stubby oversized multi-melta.
• Accelerator Cannon Gun Platform: I like how this looks. I would love to see a clear view of it. 
• Mark II Armour Infantry: They looks perfectly serviceable, but I can't see what pattern of bolter they are holding.  The Mark 2 Praetor looks alright too.
• Disintegrator Weapons: In this image quality they look like elongated melta guns held in a really awkward way. I will reserve judgement on these until I get a better look at them.

I'm not really disappointed. It's Horus Heresy, as long as I have the rules I can convert whatever I like but I doubt I will be using the Saturnine Terminators as I don't like three man heavy infantry squads. I already have some ideas about the Saturnine Dreadnought because of the way the armaments are distributed on it. I think I'll be combining a Deredeo chassis with some spare Leviathan arms as a stand-in for it. The Deredeo already has two cutouts on its hull for the extra weapons the Saturnine has. I think that might look better than the base Saturnine model. I might get this box if I can sell the Saturnine part of it easily.

Yeah, the 3 man units sealed the deal for me too. I can’t stand 3 man squads. 

[Son of Rawl]

I'm curiously optimistic about this now. Was getting annoyed with the "Hearsay", as I like the Heresy rules set, and do not want a drastic change like 40k had from 7th to 8th.

[SkimaskMohawk]

42 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

They look like a mix between the plasma mortar from the Thanatar and one of the Titan plasma weapons.

 

Ah there it is. The plasma saturnines look like a unit from AT/LI. Like a super heavy knight chassis or a scaled down titan.

[No Foes Remain]

Gonna agree with the majority on here. IW side I'm all about but hesitant on the Sallies side.

 

Something interesting, it seems these were found from Facebook marketplace in the US.