New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[jaxom]

6 hours ago, Cyrox said:

 

If this turns out to be true, then its a proper kick in the jewels for the legions that end up being last.

I really hope its Loyalist book, and a Traitor book again, at release

I’m hoping the rules haven’t changed so much that the unit entries and RoW are not compatible; and the Journals are indeed add-ons.

[Casual Heresy]

I'm really liking the models I'm seeing so far. Really looking forward to more detailed pics. Think I'll be picking up a melee weapons sprue or two now. I have enough Tacticals for now but no despoilers for my boys in blue. Plus I think mkii will suit and Ultramrines Command Squad nicely since I haven't built one yet. I'm liking the new dread and Terminators but don't think I'm likely to get more than come in the box, at least for the next edition. I do hope however the Quad gun comes in Squadrons because I need a good battery of them in my life.

 

I am very disappointed that the preview show is cancelled though. I really enjoy my ritual of getting up before 6:00am to brew coffee, keep the phone off to avoid social media spoilers, and settle down to enjoy the reveals. 

 

Suppose I'll just have to settle for painting the models I have in the morning instead of salivating over new stuff to buy.

[HeadlessCross]

7 hours ago, ThaneOfTas said:

I can't speak for @TheWarmaster on this, but as someone who feels similarly at least WRT 40k, I don't like how messy it makes trying to assign each squad to a squad number in the companies of my homebrew chapter.  10 squads of 10, or 20 squads of 5, or a mix of the two is all nice and neat. Squads of 3/6 however just muddles the whole thing and messes with my totals.

 

I recognise that this is an incredibly minor and niche complaint that probably says more about how many chromosomes that I have than anything else, but it definitely bugs me, I went to the trouble of making a spreadsheet to keep track of each squad in my chapter, and coming up with a colour coding system to make it very clear from the back banner which company and squad I was looking at at a glance, and then GW messes it up by changing the Maths. 

 

Ironically since I've done far less work fleshing out my 30k forces lore so far, I have much less of a problem with the idea in HH than in 40k.

So basically it's as irrational as the people that NEED the upgrades or squads points to be divisible by 5. 

[Marshal Rohr]

44 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

 

Disagree here. Huge, galaxy-spanning warp storm that causes complete chaos, makes precise navigation impossible and gives the Traitors the upper hand surely allows for every possible permutation of scenario?

 

Also, the FW Black Books managed to do plenty with the narrative they addressed. IMO it was more that they could never keep pace with the Black Library books.

Everything they did had to work around the storm or hand wave the navigation issues away. Black Library created a civil war where all the major deployments of loyalist or traitor forces happen in the first and last two years. It’s like jumping from 1941 to 1945 in world war 2, narratively. They had some fun narratives in Retribution but it was always Nickle and Diming forces. The Imperium Secundus arc most common criticism is no one doing anything. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Marshal Rohr

[HeadlessCross]

5 hours ago, TheWarmaster said:

 I honestly don’t know. I just hate the massive influx of 3 man squads these days. 
It’s put me off a lot units, like the DG Deathshroud, the WE big possessed boys and the EC flawless blades type guys. The SW head takers and the many other 3 man units out there. 
I just really like units in multiples of 5 for some reason. I can’t explain why haha. 

How do you feel about bikers?

[Marshal Rohr]

1 minute ago, HeadlessCross said:

How do you feel about bikers?

Or Jetbikes and Speeders

[MoriyaSchism]

2 hours ago, WARMASTER_ said:

It’s looks appropriately DAOT to me but I get what you’re saying 

 

I’m hoping there’s a specific “veterans” upgrade sprue in the box with some cool bits on 

I get what you're saying, but I prefer the style of rifle seen on the Rogue Trader anniversary miniature or mixing other Imperial weapons with the Adrathic Destructor. I made one of my own a while back. 

Edited 16 hours ago by MoriyaSchism

[INKS]

yeah huge egg armor fan. I wasn't interested in HH at all, but this might get me to collect some of it

[DuskRaider]

1 hour ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

Saturnine isn't the oldest anymore - it's a late development :)

 

 

Ugh… it looks like a downgrade to me, especially when compared to the other, now older, armor patterns. I suppose it could be seen as more “tanky”, but it just looks completely impractical from a tactical point of view, especially when compared to Cataphractii and especially Tartaros. 

[Lord Marshal]

33 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

Moving a bit beyond the models, I do wonder what limitations we are going to see imposed on who can take Saturnine as far as consuls.

 

Because I would love to make an Egg wizard...

 

Only if you promise to use egg-related puns whenever casting a spell.

 

Telepathic Fugue? No, it's Scramble Brains.

 

[Antarius]

4 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Only if you promise to use egg-related puns whenever casting a spell.

 

Telepathic Fugue? No, it's Scramble Brains.

 

I'm not sure I get the yolk.

[Mogger351]

Can't find the original source but the internet echo chambers say RoW are gone and the FOC is going to be more flexible. Help finding a source would be grand please.

[Petitioner's City]

1 hour ago, Mr Farson said:

Not a fan of going back to isstvan at this point, start of the heresy is much more limiting when it comes to interesting rules development. All of first ed was early heresy siege of cthonia was a breath of fresh air for exploring later heresy

 

But it never really really did, did it? 

 

The army list was still very much the late great crusade legion army list, the same list from betrayal to crusade, overall. The only new "later" things were really ... Legiones hereticus (emperor's children) (something that begins mid 007.m31!), the inductii rules, daemon engines (a way to save some old fw models), new techno-arcana (set on Mars c 005.m31!) and corrupted knights. 

 

Narratively maybe there was some exploration but the books didn't really capitalize on this, and it was bizarre that you'd be fighting Cthonia or Beta-Garmon with armies that didn't look different from battles set 8 or 7 years earlier, essentially. 

 

When they introduced Legiones hereticus, they should have done it for every legion, and also army list restrictions that suited early, mid, late, etc. 

 

I don't think they ever really explored at scale the later stages of the war, and that was disappointing for sure!

 

However maybe they will do more, what with the Legiones hereticus (world eaters) forthcoming - and who knows what else :)

[Jings]

4 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

But it never really really did, did it? 

 

The army list was still very much the late great crusade legion army list, the same list from betrayal to crusade, overall. The only new "later" things were really ... Legiones hereticus (emperor's children) (something that begins mid 007.m31!), the inductii rules, daemon engines (a way to save some old fw models), new techno-arcana (set on Mars c 005.m31!) and corrupted knights. 

 

Narratively maybe there was some exploration but the books didn't really capitalize on this, and it was bizarre that you'd be fighting Cthonia or Beta-Garmon with armies that didn't look different from battles set 8 or 7 years earlier, essentially. 

 

When they introduced Legiones hereticus, they should have done it for every legion, and also army list restrictions that suited early, mid, late, etc. 

 

I don't think they ever really explored at scale the later stages of the war, and that was disappointing for sure!

 

However maybe they will do more, what with the Legiones hereticus (world eaters) forthcoming - and who knows what else :)

 

Beyond Inductii and Daemonic shenanigans, what, really, was in play at the tail end of the Heresy that wouldn't have been around towards the end of the conflict? I think, given the scale of Legiones Astartes deployment across the Great Crusade and the sudden halt in development due to the Heresy, the approach that GW have taken with the whole older and lesser used gear, and (presumably with Saturnine), newer gear that didn't get a chance to become standardized and had the majority of its operational use during the Heresy proper is the correct approach. Sprinkling it here and there throughout earlier Heresy battles is the best move.

 

Returning to Istvaan V is another little boon. It really got neglected in the Black Library books compared to the battles beforehand. Even Davin got a start to finish conflict. Istvaan V got sprinkles across a bunch of different books with the only real definitive coverage being in the Black Book that's now out of print.

[INKS]

well apparently it's all fake according to GW.

[StrangerOrders]

20 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

But it never really really did, did it? 

 

The army list was still very much the late great crusade legion army list, the same list from betrayal to crusade, overall. The only new "later" things were really ... Legiones hereticus (emperor's children) (something that begins mid 007.m31!), the inductii rules, daemon engines (a way to save some old fw models), new techno-arcana (set on Mars c 005.m31!) and corrupted knights. 

 

Narratively maybe there was some exploration but the books didn't really capitalize on this, and it was bizarre that you'd be fighting Cthonia or Beta-Garmon with armies that didn't look different from battles set 8 or 7 years earlier, essentially. 

 

When they introduced Legiones hereticus, they should have done it for every legion, and also army list restrictions that suited early, mid, late, etc. 

 

I don't think they ever really explored at scale the later stages of the war, and that was disappointing for sure!

 

However maybe they will do more, what with the Legiones hereticus (world eaters) forthcoming - and who knows what else :)

I think the key to keeping Heresy rolling is to not give into the Marvel-itus, not everything needs to be a cumulative progression to Avengers movies.

 

One of the biggest strengths of 40k as a setting irregardless of time periods is thats its a titanic setting with vast armies that struggle to get around (kind of bizarrely unique that armies can fast travel in most scifi/fantasy despite that being historically and very much still one of the biggest problems for forces of significant size). Every legion is scattered into hundreds of subforces, hundreds of Forgeworlds and so on, they can expand pretty much endlessly to cool/insane corners of the Galaxy and expand into crazy variety of Expeditionary Fleet arsenals.

 

Also, hot take but both the Black Books and the Heresy novels were at their best when they weren't enslaved to the biggest battles. I will happily die on that hill.

 

If anything, it annoys me that we are revisiting Istvaan in particular. I'd have been happier to hear about some random compliance were the IW and Sallies were deployed together (that sounds like a disaster).

 

I will happily say that some of the bigger weaknesses in current 40k's narrative is trying to make massive things happen and then collapse into a flailing mess because you aren't sure where half the actors you needlessly want involved should be. Dawn of Fire being such a mess of a series as opposed to how good the Lion is should be indicative.

Edited 18 hours ago by StrangerOrders

[Marshal Rohr]

Does anyone think this might be a sign they’re going to re-release the Black Books in the newer format? Maybe just the lore sections?

[Brother Kraskor]

Get your wallets ready fraters! 

[Matcap86]

9 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Does anyone think this might be a sign they’re going to re-release the Black Books in the newer format? Maybe just the lore sections?

 

Why yes.

 

On 5/9/2025 at 12:12 PM, Matcap86 said:

Them using art of one of the old Black Books but with the new logo on... Wishlisting: Made to order reprint of the Black Books, but with just the lore as a hype vehicle for the new releases?

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Matcap86

[Elzender]

1 hour ago, Jings said:

 

I'm more curious as to what's in the "set", seeing as there's apparently two of them.

 

If I were a gambling man, I'd expect each set will have 5 each of a special and heavy variant (with the pictured being the heavy), and then another 5-10 pistols. Begs the question then if the Vets are getting Disintegrators as an option, will the same be true for TSS/HSS?
 

While very blurry, some of the IW marines next to the consul/praetor seem to be carrying a rifle-sized gun that, at least to me, looks too bulky to be a Bolter. Maybe that is the special-variant of the disintegrator?

[No Foes Remain]

12 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Does anyone think this might be a sign they’re going to re-release the Black Books in the newer format? Maybe just the lore sections?

I would hope so, those books were amazing for lore and I'd be tempted to get them myself even though I own the Black Books I'd like something more portable that those thick heavy beasts.

[INKS]

1 minute ago, Elzender said:

While very blurry, some of the IW marines next to the consul/praetor seem to be carrying a rifle-sized gun that, at least to me, looks too bulky to be a Bolter. Maybe that is the special-variant of the disintegrator?

GW has said it's fake

[Irate Khornate]

After giving it some thought, the only two things I want out of this box are the accelerator canon array, and the dreadnought.

 

The Centurion isn't bad, but my iron Warriors army is MK3. 

 

I am firmly against the egginators. To those who are waiting on that particular model of Terminator to release I hope that they meet your expectations and I'm happy for you if they do. For me, they remind me of the movie The Master of Disguise turtle club scene mixed with an obliterator. The Praetor though is awful. Only thing I like about the model is the hammer.

 

 

[Matcap86]

8 minutes ago, Elzender said:

While very blurry, some of the IW marines next to the consul/praetor seem to be carrying a rifle-sized gun that, at least to me, looks too bulky to be a Bolter. Maybe that is the special-variant of the disintegrator?

 

There's mention of 2 disintegrator weapon sprues in the box on the side of the box.

[TheVoidDragon]

15 minutes ago, INKS said:

GW has said it's fake

 

That rumour site they have set up isn't meant to be an entirely serious 100% accurate thing.