New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[TheMawr]

26 minutes ago, INKS said:

I am sorry, I am not trying to be difficult but I literally can not see anything other than some squares in that terrible picture.

 

I mean you do make a good point. Are they likely to use someone else fake image to poke holes in it? Normally I would say no. However why was it posted for sale? If GW was faking this on their own how far are they willing to go with it? Would they really post it for sale?  It's since been taken down but it was up there on market place for a short time. That doesn't seem legal either? I am not a lawyer so I will defer to those who know the law better than I do but is there some stance or legs to stand on for them using the fake image even if not theirs to discredit it in some way?  I do understand and realize that their funny site is not the best source of "this is fake". I do think there is probably more credit like many others have been pointing out that it's real.

This is them making fun of themselves... it's just so out of character for them and a new way to approach it. Not saying that it's a bad way to go about it, just very out of character for them.

 

I just dont think GW would or even could take the legal risk either way, but enough said about that, I'd rather want to comment on that last part

 

Its true, there was a time ( I think somewhere between 7th and 8th edition.. ) GW shortly did have this same type of "indie level" humor (for lack of a better word) SATIRE* before, but it faded eventually and they got back to taking themselves quite serious ( or the james workshop humor wich wasnt as good either). GW has been going through some hoops the last few months, especially the marketing and "front end" side ( community page, the way preview shows where done etc.) and I think there might possibly be new employees involved in all of this ? I feel I remember they where hiring for a lot of jobs end of 2024 as that was one thing where people where pointing at when they thought the community website was lacking in content, but it could be one of those hindsight false memories.

 

edit :

* Every time I cant find the proper word mere minutes later someone uses the word I was looking for, in this case Satire... most embarassing about it is.. its the exact same word in dutch

Edited 11 hours ago by TheMawr

[WARMASTER_]

6 hours ago, INKS said:

GW has said it's fake

Maybe it’s just English humour being missed but it’s obviously satire by GW it’s real mate 

[Doobles57]

6 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Are we sure that "Mystery Gun" the Mk.II Veteran has isn't just an Assault Cannon/Soulreaper type Minigun-thing? Or some kind of Marine-Sized Lasfusil?

The box contents mentions 2 sets of "Disintegration weapons" so it'll be some variety of that. 

[Zoatibix]

I absolutely love that Dreadnought, the Termies are cool, too. Not sure about the PA guys. Cool on the Praetor chap.

 

I’m going to have to start saving for this one. Managed to resist HH until now, but I really like the aesthetic of these guys!

[INKS]

16 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

When the leaks were posted on their own site, it should have dispelled any and all remaining doubt anyone could've had. I cannot fathom how you still can maintain doubt now.

Why?

 

I'll tell you how I can have some doubt.

Where is the 20 or 18 sided die? Someone pointed out they can see it in the picture.. I can not. And I did not see it on the website where GW was poking fun at it.

In the list of contents it's also not listed either...

 

someone else pointed out that it's very unlikely that GW would use someone else's image to post on their website because of legal problems. I agree and I get that but at the same time I see the legal grey area where they could get away with this.

 

why was this posted for sale on FB market place? would they go that far for their gag? I don't know about that one. it's been removed now but it was up there for a short period of time.

 

the pictures are terrible and on purpose, I get that. it's hard to tell if the model scales are good or not, they seem off. others have discounted this, so that is fair.

probably doesn't help that I am looking at it on my phone either.

 

so it's probably real, but I have some questions, and this is all out of character for GW. maybe this is a new leaf for them. maybe this is their new marketing. there is a lot more that says real than fake, I will 100% give you that, but it's also not absurd to me that some people, like myself could have doubts. so you can't fathom, but I have just told you why I have some doubts.

 

9 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

Just zoom in....

They're the same standard white dice that shipped in the 2nd edition and Old World boxes.

If you can't make out that those are dice then I'm out of ideas. 

I can make out that those are 6 sided dice. I was asking about the 18 sided die.

 

8 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

I just dont think GW would or even could take the legal risk either way, but enough said about that, I'd rather want to comment on that last part

 

Its true, there was a time ( I think somewhere between 7th and 8th edition.. ) GW shortly did have this same type of "indie level" humor (for lack of a better word) before, but it faded eventually and they got back to taking themselves quite serious ( or the james workshop humor wich wasnt as good either). GW has been going through some hoops the last few months, especially the marketing and "front end" side ( community page, the way preview shows where done etc.) and I think there might possibly be new employees involved in all of this ? I feel I remember they where hiring for a lot of jobs end of 2024 as that was one thing where people where pointing at when they thought the community website was lacking in content, but it could be one of those hindsight false memories.

I mean you could be right, that does make more sense than not.

 

5 minutes ago, WARMASTER_ said:

Maybe it’s just English humour being missed but it’s obviously satire by GW it’s real mate 

Maybe I just missed it then. I did get some of their haha, this is funny sort of thing but it didn't come across as this is real to me. Maybe it was supposed to but it did not.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

I've been seeing complaints of the 3 year edition gap and speculation of churn, with the rhetoric being "we should just stick with 2nd". People are really picking 2nd as their hill to die on? Of the two, the edition with the most polarized have/have nots, un-tested changes warping the game, and hyper punishment with reactions? 

 

I'm starting to feel like I'm living in the twilight zone.

It's because GW expects people to pay for rules, which is absolutely ludicrous with the churn they do. Remember though, even 7th Ed. had its fans and defenders. 

[WARMASTER_]

We’re probably a year + away but I cannot wait for the MKV + Cataphractii releases/upscale favourite heresy MK’s hands down 

[phandaal]

46 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

Would be embarrassing for the Redemptor.

 

"You vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about." 

[Doobles57]

1 minute ago, INKS said:

Where is the 20 or 18 sided die? Someone pointed out they can see it in the picture.. I can not. And I did not see it on the website where GW was poking fun at it.

 

There is no D18 in the picture because that was a joke! There's also no green Flawless Blades sprues in there either! You just said there weren't any dice, I didn't realise you were talking about the D18 thing.  Blimey. 

[INKS]

2 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

There is no D18 in the picture because that was a joke! There's also no green Flawless Blades sprues in there either! You just said there weren't any dice, I didn't realise you were talking about the D18 thing.  Blimey. 

That is on me. I made the false assumption you would know I was talking about the missing dice - the D18 or D20 whatever it was. And that I wasn't talking about the d6.

also had no idea the d18 was supposed to be a joke or that the green plastic was a joke? especially since one of the new kill teams is in green plastic..

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, INKS said:

Why?

 

I'll tell you how I can have some doubt.

Where is the 20 or 18 sided die? Someone pointed out they can see it in the picture.. I can not. And I did not see it on the website where GW was poking fun at it.

In the list of contents it's also not listed either...

The 18 sided dice was one of the "Joke Rumours" that they posted prior to the leak happening.

 

1 minute ago, INKS said:

someone else pointed out that it's very unlikely that GW would use someone else's image to post on their website because of legal problems. I agree and I get that but at the same time I see the legal grey area where they could get away with this.

UK Law wouldn't allow them to do this. End of. Copyright for the leaked images belongs with the one who took the picture. I don't know if this would fly in the USA, but over here, where GW is based, it's just not permitted.

 

3 minutes ago, INKS said:

why was this posted for sale on FB market place? would they go that far for their gag? I don't know about that one. it's been removed now but it was up there for a short period of time.

Either someone Stole them and then tried to Sell them or someone had them shipped to them in error and then tried to sell them. This has happened before multiple times. GW didn't list their own unreleased product on FB Marketplace and eBay for clout and when they found it they got FB and eBay to take down the listings.
 

6 minutes ago, INKS said:

the pictures are terrible and on purpose, I get that. it's hard to tell if the model scales are good or not, they seem off. others have discounted this, so that is fair.

probably doesn't help that I am looking at it on my phone either.

The photos are usually awful for this sort of thing. It's both because they're probably taken using a Camera that doesn't package in location data to the Image file and the "Leaked Image that looks like it's been taken with a Potato" is a meme at this point people are willing to play into.

 

8 minutes ago, INKS said:

so it's probably real, but I have some questions, and this is all out of character for GW. maybe this is a new leaf for them. maybe this is their new marketing. there is a lot more that says real than fake, I will 100% give you that, but it's also not absurd to me that some people, like myself could have doubts. so you can't fathom, but I have just told you why I have some doubts.

I feel this is GW trying to salvage their own marketing plan after someone ruined it. I expect we were going to get some rumour engine style pictures and then slowly build up to clear images over time, but now these pictures are in the wild they're making the best with a bad situation.

 

I hope this has cleared some stuff up.

[Hfran Morkai]

I'm certainly interested to get better pictures of the miniatures even if they're not of particular interest to me as I'm a MkIV and Tartaros fan and am hoping their rescale isn't too far off.

 

I could see myself picking some up though, depending on how they look when we can see them better.

 

I would laugh if these WEREN'T the miniatures though (I do believe they are).

[Doobles57]

1 minute ago, INKS said:

That is on me. I made the false assumption you would know I was talking about the missing dice - the D18 or D20 whatever it was. And that I wasn't talking about the d6.

also had no idea the d18 was supposed to be a joke or that the green plastic was a joke? especially since one of the new kill teams is in green plastic..

The green plastic picture is the new 40K Flawless Blades sprue coloured green. Definitely nothing to do with this box or 30K. 

[ThaneOfTas]

12 minutes ago, INKS said:

Where is the 20 or 18 sided die?

They were never going to be a thing? Same as the green flawless blade sprues it was just one of the bits of misinformation in the Hearsay site. Also while I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt this time that you were always asking about the D18/d20, it really didn't seem that way from your initial comments, and when you were shown zoomed in photos of a bunch of D6s it probably would have been worth trying to explain the misunderstanding. As it stands it certainly has the appearance of goalpost shifting.

[Marshal Reinhard]

19 minutes ago, INKS said:

Why?

 

I'll tell you how I can have some doubt.

Where is the 20 or 18 sided die? Someone pointed out they can see it in the picture.. I can not. And I did not see it on the website where GW was poking fun at it.

In the list of contents it's also not listed either...

 

someone else pointed out that it's very unlikely that GW would use someone else's image to post on their website because of legal problems. I agree and I get that but at the same time I see the legal grey area where they could get away with this.

 

why was this posted for sale on FB market place? would they go that far for their gag? I don't know about that one. it's been removed now but it was up there for a short period of time.

 

the pictures are terrible and on purpose, I get that. it's hard to tell if the model scales are good or not, they seem off. others have discounted this, so that is fair.

probably doesn't help that I am looking at it on my phone either.

 

so it's probably real, but I have some questions, and this is all out of character for GW. maybe this is a new leaf for them. maybe this is their new marketing. there is a lot more that says real than fake, I will 100% give you that, but it's also not absurd to me that some people, like myself could have doubts. so you can't fathom, but I have just told you why I have some doubts.

 

I can make out that those are 6 sided dice. I was asking about the 18 sided die.

 

I mean you could be right, that does make more sense than not.

Dice: why would it need to be included? The leaker never opened the box, and the terrible shot of the dice, aka the small image of them on box that's then been photographed really roughtly, makes it next to impossible to see if the 18 sided is included there. But really why is this a dealbreaker anyway?

 

The images on their own site has been cut down to only show very big closeups of their upcoming products. What legal problems?, the leaker would have to prove it was their photos, and that would be admitting they're leaking stuff in the first place.

EDIT: so wait, with Indywisps take on UK law, would this in fact mean that we have proof the GW leaked it themselves?

 

Are you saying GW posted it on the FB market place?

 

Nothing about the scale of the minis seem off. People seem to have trouble with the fact that the Saturnine are extremely top heavy due to PAULDRONS, but just cover them up, the model scales are fine.

 

This type of humor also is not at all of brand for GW either. They do it quite a lot. It's never been done to this extent sure, but its not out of character.

 

 

Anyway, why its real: too much effort to be a fake. Too many steps involved. The miniatures are too detailed, poor as they are to make out, to be just a fake. The fact that it was then posted on their own damn site proves it, because them posting it on their site if it was actually fake would be insane and extremely detrimental to their own efforts.

Edited 10 hours ago by Marshal Reinhard

[INKS]

9 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

The 18 sided dice was one of the "Joke Rumours" that they posted prior to the leak happening.

 

UK Law wouldn't allow them to do this. End of. Copyright for the leaked images belongs with the one who took the picture. I don't know if this would fly in the USA, but over here, where GW is based, it's just not permitted.

 

Either someone Stole them and then tried to Sell them or someone had them shipped to them in error and then tried to sell them. This has happened before multiple times. GW didn't list their own unreleased product on FB Marketplace and eBay for clout and when they found it they got FB and eBay to take down the listings.
 

The photos are usually awful for this sort of thing. It's both because they're probably taken using a Camera that doesn't package in location data to the Image file and the "Leaked Image that looks like it's been taken with a Potato" is a meme at this point people are willing to play into.

 

I feel this is GW trying to salvage their own marketing plan after someone ruined it. I expect we were going to get some rumour engine style pictures and then slowly build up to clear images over time, but now these pictures are in the wild they're making the best with a bad situation.

 

I hope this has cleared some stuff up.

fair enough on the 18 sided dice. had no idea it was supposed to be a joke.

 

100% could fly in the US, a very grey area, this is why I left it to other who know the law better.

 

Again those this part doesn't make sense. If someone got the box by mistake then what you said above - they could not use those pictures to poke fun at the box? So then it's unlikely to be stolen or received in mistake? Because you are right, there is no way they would list their own product on FB market place...

 

It has cleared some stuff up. I am still questioning the selling of the product though...

 

 

6 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

The green plastic picture is the new 40K Flawless Blades sprue coloured green. Definitely nothing to do with this box or 30K. 

I have not see the sprue so I am guessing you are able to match the one bit with the tip of the blade.

 

[Cenobite Terminator]

Oh Gawd you’re right… geedub did it again!!!

[Urauloth]

I forgot to mention it but the Hearsay site and especially the response to the leak is incredibly funny. Feels like a throwback to a different age of the internet.

Edited 10 hours ago by Urauloth

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, INKS said:

Again those this part doesn't make sense. If someone got the box by mistake then what you said above - they could not use those pictures to poke fun at the box? So then it's unlikely to be stolen or received in mistake? Because you are right, there is no way they would list their own product on FB market place...

 

It has cleared some stuff up. I am still questioning the selling of the product though...

The person who obtained the box took pictures to list on FB Marketplace and eBay, which sadly is a common response to suddenly finding you have an unreleased/unrevealed kit.
 

GW have not used those pictures (since as a UK Company they legally cannot), rather they have taken pictures of one of the Boxes that they have in a Warehouse (probably the Warhammer World one to hazard a guess) and deliberately made them look awful so the resemble the leaked picture.
We can tell they've done this since the way they look awful is different and the pictures on the GW site are just clearer overall.

[INKS]

5 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

They were never going to be a thing? Same as the green flawless blade sprues it was just one of the bits of misinformation in the Hearsay site. Also while I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt this time that you were always asking about the D18/d20, it really didn't seem that way from your initial comments, and when you were shown zoomed in photos of a bunch of D6s it probably would have been worth trying to explain the misunderstanding. As it stands it certainly has the appearance of goalpost shifting.

Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt "this time"

 

I did explain what I was talking about as soon as I caught on that we were not talking about the same thing. I was talking about the d18 - which I did not make clear and is my fault for not doing so, They were talking about the D6 / dice in general. Which is what confused me. This was cleared up a post later with the zoom in. This has nothing to do with goalpost shifting. If I was trying to shift the goalpost then I would not have said, I was wrong and didn't know it was supposed to be a joke... that isn't how that works.  It was a miscommunication and a misunderstanding on my part. To which I have now admitted many times over I did not know that was supposed to be some kind of joke.

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

3 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

The person who obtained the box took pictures to list on FB Marketplace and eBay, which sadly is a common response to suddenly finding you have an unreleased/unrevealed kit.
 

GW have not used those pictures (since as a UK Company they legally cannot), rather they have taken pictures of one of the Boxes that they have in a Warehouse (probably the Warhammer World one to hazard a guess) and deliberately made them look awful so the resemble the leaked picture.
We can tell they've done this since the way they look awful is different and the pictures on the GW site are just clearer overall.

Makes it an even more cut and dry case

[INKS]

17 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Dice: why would it need to be included? The leaker never opened the box, and the terrible shot of the dice, aka the small image of them on box that's then been photographed really roughtly, makes it next to impossible to see if the 18 sided is included there. But really why is this a dealbreaker anyway?

 

The images on their own site has been cut down to only show very big closeups of their upcoming products. What legal problems?, the leaker would have to prove it was their photos, and that would be admitting they're leaking stuff in the first place.

EDIT: so wait, with Indywisps take on UK law, would this in fact mean that we have proof the GW leaked it themselves?

 

Are you saying GW posted it on the FB market place?

 

Nothing about the scale of the minis seem off. People seem to have trouble with the fact that the Saturnine are extremely top heavy due to PAULDRONS, but just cover them up, the model scales are fine.

 

This type of humor also is not at all of brand for GW either. They do it quite a lot. It's never been done to this extent sure, but its not out of character.

 

 

Anyway, why its real: too much effort to be a fake. Too many steps involved. The miniatures are too detailed, poor as they are to make out, to be just a fake. The fact that it was then posted on their own damn site proves it, because them posting it on their site if it was actually fake would be insane and extremely detrimental to their own efforts.

For the dice I was talking about the d18-d20 which I did not know was fake or a joke. If the d18 was real and not in the pic - then yes it would have been proof to me that it was possibly fake.

 

It appears so according to what IndyWisp has said about UK law. They 100% could get away with that in the US though...

still not sure how selling it on FB comes into this though...

 

I personally think this extent is out of character. some humor yes, but I've not seen them do this personally before.

 

Them posting it on their own website to make fun of it... I am not sure that is detrimental to or for them. but there are a lot of other reasons pointed out to me why it is likely real.

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

The person who obtained the box took pictures to list on FB Marketplace and eBay, which sadly is a common response to suddenly finding you have an unreleased/unrevealed kit.
 

GW have not used those pictures (since as a UK Company they legally cannot), rather they have taken pictures of one of the Boxes that they have in a Warehouse (probably the Warhammer World one to hazard a guess) and deliberately made them look awful so the resemble the leaked picture.
We can tell they've done this since the way they look awful is different and the pictures on the GW site are just clearer overall.

I realize that is common. But there was or is a prevailing theory that this is just GW doing all this. there is no other person or there is no "got it by mistake" this time.

that is where I am coming from it at.

 

you are saying the pictures are different. I guess some of them are better? I just assumed they have better software than I do rather than take a better picture, since the pictures they provided still aren't very good. but i get it. they took bad pictures also to make them look bad.

[Indy Techwisp]

14 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

EDIT: so wait, with Indywisps take on UK law, would this in fact mean that we have proof the GW leaked it themselves?

 

Are you saying GW posted it on the FB market place?

To make this clear:
GW did not leak this themselves.

 

They have taken their own images of their own product and styled it to look like the actual leaked pictures for their "theory/rumour" hype website since they can't just use the leaked pictures because those are owned by the Leaker and there could be legal consequences for them using that person's pictures without their permission.

[INKS]

3 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

To make this clear:
GW did not leak this themselves.

 

They have taken their own images of their own product and styled it to look like the actual leaked pictures for their "theory/rumour" hype website since they can't just use the leaked pictures because those are owned by the Leaker and there could be legal consequences for them using that person's pictures without their permission.

ok that makes more sense then.

there seems to be or seems to have been this idea that it was all GW by themselves.

So, it's possible if not likely someone did get a hold of the box. mistaken or otherwise. took bad pics, placed on FB market places and so on. which has now been taken down.

GW responds by taking their own crappy pics of the box - which is the same - and posting it on their hahah funny site and poking fun at it. that it's fake when it's not.

 

I have said it a few times, but I am just not used to GW being like this. Taken me by surprise I guess.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Just now, INKS said:

For the dice I was talking about the d18-d20 which I did not know was fake or a joke. If the d18 was real and not in the pic - then yes it would have been proof to me that it was possibly fake.

 

It appears so according to what IndyWisp has said about UK law. They 100% could get away with that in the US though...

still not sure how selling it on FB comes into this though...

 

I personally think this extent is out of character. some humor yes, but I've not seen them do this personally before.

 

Them posting it on their own website to make fun of it... I am not sure that is detrimental to or for them. but there are a lot of other reasons pointed out to me why it is likely real.

 

 

Okay, so literally dispel any idea of GW putting it on FB. It makes no sense. It didn't happen. You have no reason to think it did. It cannot be used an argument to cast doubt on the validity of the leak.

 

I am not saying it is detrimental for them to poke fun of it on their website. The whole website is doing tongue in cheek style humor. It's very British. Doesn't really matter. What it is doing is driving engagement now that the image is out in the wild anyway. No, I am saying the fact they take the images (or as Indywisp pointed out, their own images made to look like leaked images, but not in fact those, due to legal reasons) is giving absolute validity to the leak. Because most people will now (ok, should now) understand that it is real. It would in fact be extremely counterproductive for them to packpedal now and say "nah, the images were all fake". People expect them to be real, the fact that they've taken them to their site and interacted with them, have validated them. Now not releasing this box would create backlash. <-- this was my original argument

 

The fact that Indywisp clarified that UK law actually means they could not have posted the images, without actually photographing their own box, straight out proves it.