New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[MoriyaSchism]

6 hours ago, The boater said:

Something I noticed with the salamander squad, I don’t think those are bolters, I think there’s two types of disintegrators, one underhanded that looks like a heavier version and one carried like a normal rifle  

If you look at the Iron Warriors side some of the guns look like they are shoulder mounted.

[TheWarmaster]

2 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

If you look at the Iron Warriors side some of the guns look like they are shoulder mounted.

They don’t appear to be shoulder mounted to me to be honest..?

[Gorgoff]

On Discord someone uttered this rumor:

Spoiler

All the major factions (Marines, SAux, Mech, Talons in whatever form they come in) will have books on launch

Make of that what you want but if true all libers are oor the can.

But on the other hands it could mean that they got a major overhaul ans that the new edition will be different enough to justify new books.

[Marshal Rohr]

That makes me feel better about the Arcane Journal rumor not being true. It would take YEARS to get 18 out plus whatever crumbs they send to Mech, Solar, and Talons. 

[The boater]

27 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

On Discord someone uttered this rumor:

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All the major factions (Marines, SAux, Mech, Talons in whatever form they come in) will have books on launch

Make of that what you want but if true all libers are oor the can.

But on the other hands it could mean that they got a major overhaul ans that the new edition will be different enough to justify new books.

I’ve seen a rumor that major changes are happening to list building that will make all the books pretty unusable. Guess we’ll find out soon enough. It would be a really bad move though if GW just released all those nice new mech kits and made them unplayable 4 months later

[Gorgoff]

6 minutes ago, The boater said:

I’ve seen a rumor that major changes are happening to list building that will make all the books pretty unusable. Guess we’ll find out soon enough. It would be a really bad move though if GW just released all those nice new mech kits and made them unplayable 4 months later

If true that we get the major libers day one it still is annoying but at least the rules are available 

[No Foes Remain]

4 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

If you look at the Iron Warriors side some of the guns look like they are shoulder mounted.

Could be that they've gone similar with the volkites having Charger (medium), Caliver (large) and Culverin (heavy)?

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, The boater said:

It would be a really bad move though if GW just released all those nice new mech kits and made them unplayable 4 months later

 

That's why I'm doubtful it'll be a repeat of 2.0's launch, with Mech and SA/Talons being SOL for three-six months respectively; back when 2.0 launched the amount of people collecting those armies AND who didn't have a Legiones collection to pass the time with could probably be measured in less than a percentage. 

 

This time around, they've actually got quite a lot of Mech and Solar Auxilia players, a number of whom may not have a Legiones force in reserve, so there's much more impetuous to have everything playable at launch.

 

Then again, there is the Armies of Middle-Earth situation currently ongoing, but I suspect that has a lot more to do with GW having to rush the new MESBG edition out to coincide with War of the Rohirrim than anything else.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Lord Marshal

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

It seems with HH 2.0 and HH 3.0 Gee-Dubbs are marketing towards Rogue Trader grognards despite this not being a remastered Rogue Trader game. HH 2.0 had the Beakie marines and HH 3.0 the Saturnine Terminators. I wonder what will be left for HH 4.0? 

[Redcomet]

9 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

It seems with HH 2.0 and HH 3.0 Gee-Dubbs are marketing towards Rogue Trader grognards despite this not being a remastered Rogue Trader game. HH 2.0 had the Beakie marines and HH 3.0 the Saturnine Terminators. I wonder what will be left for HH 4.0? 

HH has always been aimed at the older gamers. 

[MARK0SIAN]

46 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

It seems with HH 2.0 and HH 3.0 Gee-Dubbs are marketing towards Rogue Trader grognards despite this not being a remastered Rogue Trader game. HH 2.0 had the Beakie marines and HH 3.0 the Saturnine Terminators. I wonder what will be left for HH 4.0? 

They’ll have pretty much exhausted the 40K nostalgia so look out for square bases and rank and file Horus Heresy. 

[SvenIronhand]

2 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

It seems with HH 2.0 and HH 3.0 Gee-Dubbs are marketing towards Rogue Trader grognards despite this not being a remastered Rogue Trader game. HH 2.0 had the Beakie marines and HH 3.0 the Saturnine Terminators. I wonder what will be left for HH 4.0? 

I rated this disagree and let me explain.
 

Contemptors, Jetbikes, the concept of Siege Dreadnoughts, Field Police, Robots, The Imperial Army, etc would all care to differ. It’s harder to find where Heresy hasn’t taken a RT era concept.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

3 hours ago, MARK0SIAN said:

They’ll have pretty much exhausted the 40K nostalgia so look out for square bases and rank and file Horus Heresy. 

 

Mordian Iron Guard players would be ecstatic.

[Dagoth Ur]

4 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

It seems with HH 2.0 and HH 3.0 Gee-Dubbs are marketing towards Rogue Trader grognards despite this not being a remastered Rogue Trader game. HH 2.0 had the Beakie marines and HH 3.0 the Saturnine Terminators. I wonder what will be left for HH 4.0? 

Reimaginings of 1st and 2nd edition 40k stuff were already well present in 1st Edition Horus Heresy. The Master of Signals and lore on the discipline corps in the legions are just two examples of that.

[Petitioner's City]

11 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

That makes me feel better about the Arcane Journal rumor not being true. It would take YEARS to get 18 out plus whatever crumbs they send to Mech, Solar, and Talons. 

 

Arcane journals aren't codices, they are supplementary rules to core rules. I think when someone mentioned that they meant a series of books which would supplement the 3.0 liber Astartes, hereticus, etc.

 

The Imperial Fists arcane journal for 2.0 would have featured, as an example:

 

The wargear from Cthonia

The special characters from Cthonia and Mars

The imperial fists inductii

The Huscarls

A scenario or two

Further rites

Maybe one or two generic units for all legions

Fluff

 

That small pool of content is what an arcane journal has, and its intended not as a "codex" but a supplement to the codex which already exists in the core book (for old world, forces of fantasy and Ravening Hordes; for heresy, liber Astartes and liber Hereticus).

 

Everything core to a given legion - for the Fists, Dorn, Sigismund, templars, etc - would in this model still be in the Liber Astartes, as that is the core necessary book. The AJ, which is optional extras, ie the list above which we've seen across the edition. In an AJ model, you find this in one book, rather than in three campaign books.

 

That's the best comparison to the Forces of Fantasy and Ravening Hordes, and their respective AJs. 

 

The biggest benefit of an AJ series is ultimately equality - every legion gets the same quantity of rules - those ten or so pages of rules, scenarios, etc - in their AJ, rather than being missed out across the whole edition.

 

The other thing, by this summer, in 18 months since the game's release, SDS will have released 9 AJs for Old World - it's more than feasible that all 18 heresy "AJ"s for the different legions could be done relatively at pace, in 2 to 3 years. Each legion would still have the Liber list, and the current content it has - but all 18 would be expanded in the way only a few really have this edition (ie the chunky expansions to emperor's children, and especially the multi-book content for Sons of Horus and imperial fists) That's a good timetable, and just means more content for all :) 

Edited 2 hours ago by Petitioner's City

[No Foes Remain]

33 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

Arcane journals aren't codices, they are supplementary rules to core rules. I think when someone mentioned that they meant a series of books which would supplement the 3.0 liber Astartes, hereticus, etc.

 

The Imperial Fists arcane journal for 2.0 would have featured, as an example:

 

The wargear from Cthonia

The special characters from Cthonia and Mars

The imperial fists inductii

The Huscarls

A scenario or two

Further rites

Maybe one or two generic units for all legions

Fluff

 

That small pool of content is what an arcane journal has, and its intended not as a "codex" but a supplement to the codex which already exists in the core book (for old world, forces of fantasy and Ravening Hordes; for heresy, liber Astartes and liber Hereticus).

 

Everything core to a given legion - for the Fists, Dorn, Sigismund, templars, etc - would in this model still be in the Liber Astartes, as that is the core necessary book. The AJ, which is optional extras, ie the list above which we've seen across the edition. In an AJ model, you find this in one book, rather than in three campaign books.

 

That's the best comparison to the Forces of Fantasy and Ravening Hordes, and their respective AJs. 

 

The biggest benefit of an AJ series is ultimately equality - every legion gets the same quantity of rules - those ten or so pages of rules, scenarios, etc - in their AJ, rather than being missed out across the whole edition.

 

The other thing, by this summer, in 18 months since the game's release, SDS will have released 9 AJs for Old World - it's more than feasible that all 18 heresy "AJ"s for the different legions could be done relatively at pace, in 2 to 3 years. Each legion would still have the Liber list, and the current content it has - but all 18 would be expanded in the way only a few really have this edition (ie the chunky expansions to emperor's children, and especially the multi-book content for Sons of Horus and imperial fists) That's a good timetable, and just means more content for all :) 

 

Only issue I see is that, if 30k is on a 3 year cycle, some Legions/Forces will just be getting their rules before an edition change which (let's be honest) it's great. If they could pump them out quicker, I'd be all for it otherwise it's just going to be tougher on those Legions who come later as they get their rules last, but - knowing GW - the latter Legions would be better off (rules creep and all that) than those who come first which causes even more issues.

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

Arcane journals aren't codices, they are supplementary rules to core rules. I think when someone mentioned that they meant a series of books which would supplement the 3.0 liber Astartes, hereticus, etc.

 

The Imperial Fists arcane journal for 2.0 would have featured, as an example:

 

The wargear from Cthonia

The special characters from Cthonia and Mars

The imperial fists inductii

The Huscarls

A scenario or two

Further rites

Maybe one or two generic units for all legions

Fluff

 

That small pool of content is what an arcane journal has, and its intended not as a "codex" but a supplement to the codex which already exists in the core book (for old world, forces of fantasy and Ravening Hordes; for heresy, liber Astartes and liber Hereticus).

 

Everything core to a given legion - for the Fists, Dorn, Sigismund, templars, etc - would in this model still be in the Liber Astartes, as that is the core necessary book. The AJ, which is optional extras, ie the list above which we've seen across the edition. In an AJ model, you find this in one book, rather than in three campaign books.

 

That's the best comparison to the Forces of Fantasy and Ravening Hordes, and their respective AJs. 

 

The biggest benefit of an AJ series is ultimately equality - every legion gets the same quantity of rules - those ten or so pages of rules, scenarios, etc - in their AJ, rather than being missed out across the whole edition.

 

The other thing, by this summer, in 18 months since the game's release, SDS will have released 9 AJs for Old World - it's more than feasible that all 18 heresy "AJ"s for the different legions could be done relatively at pace, in 2 to 3 years. Each legion would still have the Liber list, and the current content it has - but all 18 would be expanded in the way only a few really have this edition (ie the chunky expansions to emperor's children, and especially the multi-book content for Sons of Horus and imperial fists) That's a good timetable, and just means more content for all :) 

I feel like even doing one every two months for Old World is still wayyy to slow, and would infuriate the legions that spent all of first waiting for their rules. I think going back to that would piss people off (specifically me). An even worse, but likely scenario, is the legions forge world doesn’t really think or care about because they have not had development since Alan passed (Ultramarines, Wolves, Ravens) would basically get an Arcane Journal that is their current Liber Entry + existing Exemplary Unit and then they’re sent back outside to play for another ten years. If they’re going to make Heresy a success they need to start introducing things people want and the Saturnine Stuff really demonstrates they aren’t hearing what most people want (Legion Plastics, Redone Terminators, New Infantry Options, etc). I bet if you took a poll on Facebook or Reddit and asked if people would rather NEVER get plastic disintegrators (a kamikaze weapon option) so they could get plastic recon marines it would overwhelmingly favor recon marines. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Marshal Rohr