Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[SkimaskMohawk]

Disintegrators coming out more widespread (or even being around for marines) is kinda confusing to me. It kinda really steps on the toes of the adrathic weapons that were unique to the custodes. In fact, I thought adrathics were just disintegrators and were locked away by the emperor's decree because they were so dangerous. 

 

Then 2nd made actual disintegrators and gave them out to the legions. Their lore blurb is basically the same as the adrathics, but they're both somehow more lethal and far less banned. Maybe 3rd will flip it and make adrathics the super scary weapon worthy of your country getting nuked if you made one.

[DuskRaider]

4 hours ago, lansalt said:

The IW in the leaked images seem to be using a new chain bayonet design. Note how it doesn't have the same attachment system to the barrel as the ones in the MkVI kit.
The new mk2 torsos also seem to have a split chestplate with two sockets and a round collar like the plastic mk2 vehicle crew (see kitbash stolen from reddit), but unlike the previous FW mk2 with a single socket and a V-neck collar.
Given that vehicle crew marines traditionally have AdMech/Mechanicum design cues, this new mk2 design looks to me to have been made with Iron Hands in mind (look at their old FW minis for similar design cues unlike other legions). Either that, or the sculptor just didn't care and just copy pasted the crew torso.

 

The Bayonet is a remake of the wedge design FW used when they released the different Bolter patterns a decade or so ago. At least that’s what it looks like to me. 

[ZeroWolf]

Not so much as news but still amusing:

 

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Next week is the Skulls Showcase, an annual celebration of the biggest Warhammer video games. With the Space Wolves off the leash, we’ll be checking out Fenrisian fighting styles, alongside coverage of the new Chapter Approved Mission Deck, and all sorts more – including a surprise announcement none of you have seen coming.

- Taken from the Sunday preview article

 

At least they can still see the humour in the situation

[Sir Clausel]

OR it could litterally mean something no one knows anything about!

[ArcusArmis]

Hello good Morning/Afternoon/Evening.
(I'm new to fourms like this)
Making an account here took a few days longer than i expected so this may be a little behind but:

These two teasers look like they are from the Saturnine Praetor and the MKII Centurion respectively. That seemed to be the consensus.

 

The 70 on the sprue seemed to be catching people off as that's a crazy high part count for a single model.

However I'd like to propose an Idea (that I don't think I've seen anyone say yet, yell at me if its been said.)

In the Leviathan Box, The Terminator Captain and the Tyranid Prime share a joined sprue, including the part numbers. These are also both sold separately.

 

I'd hazard a guess that the Praetor and Centurion share a joined sprue and parts numbers. (I'm guessing it'll be split leaning heavily towards the Praetor as the model seems huge as.)

Anyway, happy to be here!

[Marshal Reinhard]

28 minutes ago, Sir Clausel said:

OR it could litterally mean something no one knows anything about!

While technically it could mean that, the snideness in the words chosen pretty much seals the deal.

 

Which is good in a way, the sooner we get the reveal out of the way, the sooner we can get to new things

 

(Also, I really wanna see the pauldronators in high detail)

Edited May 18 by Marshal Reinhard

[ZeroWolf]

Plus we are getting the dropsite preview show this week. It's s forgone conclusion

[Sir Clausel]

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While technically it could mean that, the snideness in the words chosen pretty much seals the deal.

 

Which is good in a way, the sooner we get the reveal out of the way, the sooner we can get to new things

 

(Also, I really wanna see the pauldronators in high detail)

 

 

I agree. Im sure its the HH box. BUT you never know :P

Edited May 18 by Sir Clausel

[Petitioner's City]

18 hours ago, No Foes Remain said:

 

Only issue I see is that, if 30k is on a 3 year cycle, some Legions/Forces will just be getting their rules before an edition change [...]

 

18 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I feel like even doing one every two months for Old World is still wayyy to slow, and would infuriate the legions that spent all of first waiting for their rules. [...]

 

My key point again is these aren't 'their rules', these are extras to their actual rules, which would in (in this hypothesis) the Liber X book. 

 

Like this week the wood elf AJ went on pre-order, it's the eighth AJ and is coming out 15 months into the game's existence. However while a great addition to the faction, it's not something that has meant wood elf players have been unable to play for the last 15 months.

 

In a few weeks, beastmen will get the same, and again beastmen have been a well-played faction for the last 15 months.

 

Both factions had all of the rules needed to play them released in January 2024 - along with all other seven core factions (and indeed all the legacy factions too).

 

The AJs are just sweeteners, a fraction of the total of "their rules" - that's the case in this hypothesis. Each AJ brings "nice to have" extras, but the main meat is all in the Liber X. 

[Marshal Rohr]

9 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

 

My key point again is these aren't 'their rules', these are extras to their actual rules, which would in (in this hypothesis) the Liber X book. 

 

Like this week the wood elf AJ went on pre-order, it's the eighth AJ and is coming out 15 months into the game's existence. However while a great addition to the faction, it's not something that has meant wood elf players have been unable to play for the last 15 months.

 

In a few weeks, beastmen will get the same, and again beastmen have been a well-played faction for the last 15 months.

 

Both factions had all of the rules needed to play them released in January 2024 - along with all other seven core factions (and indeed all the legacy factions too).

 

The AJs are just sweeteners, a fraction of the total of "their rules" - that's the case in this hypothesis. Each AJ brings "nice to have" extras, but the main meat is all in the Liber X. 

Maybe if we are talking about just some new rites of War or warlord traits, but legion unique units and rites are 99.9999% of how each legion is played. If they include the legion unique in a new liber, there’s no point to the AJs, they can stick to campaign books and hit the same target of releases. If they don’t include legion uniques in the Master Army list, then factions will wait for years as they release each legion individually and people will walk. 

[Matcap86]

3 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

Plus we are getting the dropsite preview show this week. It's s forgone conclusion

 

GW could do the greatest rugpull ever and preview the new Legions Imperialis Dropsite themed expansion. 

 

Watch a new Chaos God be created due to the incandescent emotional turmoil that follows.

[Gorgoff]

20 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

 

GW could do the greatest rugpull ever and preview the new Legions Imperialis Dropsite themed expansion. 

 

Watch a new Chaos God be created due to the incandescent emotional turmoil that follows.

As a german I know that this god already exists: Nurgle

 

 

Sorry, not sorry for this dreadful pun which almost nobody will get.

Spoiler

Nurgle sounds like nörgel (actual my smartphone autocorrected Nurgle to Nörgeln initially funny enough) which is the German word for complaining, bickering or grumbling ;)

 

Edited May 18 by Gorgoff

[Petitioner's City]

10 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

If they include the legion unique in a new liber, there’s no point to the AJs, 

 

I disagree in that - wasnt all the content seen for, for example, the fists "point[less]" across the three campaign books and exemplary battles PDF? If it was, then weren't most of the rules added to the legions since LA/LH equally pointless?

 

The AJs are a model for old world that gives fluff, rules and modelling guides for each faction - that ensures at first an equality of quantity of additions - but are also small things, that are fundamental optional. I think that's the real benefit of them - they feel like magazines more than books, they are only 44 or so pages, and your faction doesn't need them to continue to be played, or even played well (generally!).

 

They are also much cheaper for you if don't buy many - £16.50 rrp, so if you just buy the fists one, you have most of the content you'd want other than your core book. That's 'all' your rules for much less.

 

Also coming regularly there isnt the ugly gap periods where heresy fans feel nothing is coming for ages - and the kind of ugly fan culture that emerges when there is too much focus on LI, or a lack of several heresy Thursdays. 

 

And a key point - an AJ doesn't mean no campaign books.

 

However this is all academic - I just kept seeing people use the AJ term and not understand what AJs are versus codices or other similar books.

 

[Captain Idaho]

41 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

However this is all academic - I just kept seeing people use the AJ term and not understand what AJs are versus codices or other similar books.

 

I'm a boxer so I keep reading that as Anthony Joshua and it's really confusing.

 

 

Anyway, I'm confident they'll do another round of big books for each Legion then release Arcane Journal style sales extras for specific campaigns.

[Corswain]

Am I the only one who prefers the Liber format? I know they're not perfect but I like having half the Legions in one book. 

[StratoKhan]

If there really end up being 18+ small books at £16.50 a pop I would have to buy, to have a full collection, that would not make me happy.

 

[Marshal Rohr]

28 minutes ago, Corswain said:

Am I the only one who prefers the Liber format? I know they're not perfect but I like having half the Legions in one book. 

I also prefer the heftier tome model. I could see Libers being the Army Lists and then Arcane Journals being the Legion lores, exemplary battle lores, and character profiles but that would be received like a poopy flavored lollipop if the try to do a delay for legion specifics. I guess they could also punt Legion Specific units to legends and try and rebuild from the ground up with plastic releases but that would also be…. Poorly received. 

[Joe]

Games Workshop could hand the community, individually, everything they've ever wanted and it'd still be poorly received for the gall of daring to do so. 

 

Jokes aside, we know Legion-specific plastics are coming as Andy's gone over this himself. We also know we've not received any Legion-specific weapon upgrades since January 2024, and we've never seen any updated resin upgrades materialise for Mark III since that released. If I had to put money on it, the reason why the resin upgrades suddenly ground to a halt is we're going to start seeing plastics for the Legions this edition.

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, Joe said:

Games Workshop could hand the community, individually, everything they've ever wanted and it'd still be poorly received for the gall of daring to do so. 

 

Jokes aside, we know Legion-specific plastics are coming as Andy's gone over this himself. We also know we've not received any Legion-specific weapon upgrades since January 2024, and we've never seen any updated resin upgrades materialise for Mark III since that released. If I had to put money on it, the reason why the resin upgrades suddenly ground to a halt is we're going to start seeing plastics for the Legions this edition.

Wouldn't be surprised if any upgrades for MkII and MkIII could be done at the same time since the marks are very related.

[Astartes Consul]

Ngl, I love this design, even if it would be weird to have another Multi-Melta pattern...

 

 

https://thehorushearsay.com/ 

[Waaagh?]

6 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

Ngl, I love this design, even if it would be weird to have another Multi-Melta pattern...

 

 

https://thehorushearsay.com/ 

 

It's more likely to be a disintegrator despite what the text claims.

[Valkyrion]

Just reissue the Black Books to fit the new rules and units and take my £500 or whatever it would cost over the life of the edition.

No need to reinvent the wheel that has had 15 years and hundreds of books dedicated to describing exactly what the wheel is, where its going and where its been - just give it a new tyre and let it keep rolling. 

[Nephaston]

5 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

Ngl, I love this design, even if it would be weird to have another Multi-Melta pattern...

 

 

https://thehorushearsay.com/ 

 

I feel this is a misdirection from them, probably a heavy disintegrator of sorts.

[Joe]

That's absolutely a Disintegrator; there's multiple design elements that match up with the Imperial Space Marine's combi-disintegrator.

 

[Astartes Consul]

I've been fully bamboozled by GW here!

 

My point around it looking cool stands, though.