New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Nephaston]

11 hours ago, Misterduch said:

Which could get weird when you consider these are S5 AP2 Gets hot instant death guns.... So maybe a stat change is coming?

Profile like that would explain how the became ever rarer. People just kept blowing them up.

[Brother Kraskor]

8 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

I've heard more rumors on Discord.

 

All in here - you'll have to search for messages from them. To summarise:

- reactions changing from once per unit per _phase_ to once per unit per _turn_

- no terminator command squads*

- I was close with a guess that the vehicle damage table would be changing in _some_ way

- can charge out of non-Assault transports, but the charge is disordered

 

Someone claimed to know a playtester:

 

His exact words and approximate facial expressions were:

"Have you heard the 3rd ed rumours? Well y'know how kakophoni don't get line in third company elite..? [Raises eyebrows] Yeah. They're good now. I'm really mad that I sold all mine before I heard - I had 3x10. Anyway I can't tell you any more but I'd definitely recommend building some"

 

*another rumor is that command squads just get them as an option again. 

As usual take all of that with a bucket of salt. 

These are wild! Pinch of salt taken. As an EC player, Line Kakophoni doesn't make sense, they literally don't care at all about the actual objectives, but man I'm here for it. 

[Marshal Loss]

3 hours ago, Brother Kraskor said:

Line Kakophoni doesn't make sense, they literally don't care at all about the actual objectives, but man I'm here for it. 

 

Line isn't a rule that states whether a unit cares about objectives or following commands though, it's just an arbitrary label attached with frustratingly little consistency by the game designers. An objective in the game could be anything from a dark ritual site to a legion relic to a site of strategic import to a cache of civilians ready to be turned by the Third Legion into hats and/or drugs, and if units like Rampagers (who are literally frothing lobotomised madmen) can be given Line through a rite, there's not really a good reason for why Kakophoni shouldn't via the same mechanism.

 

As entertaining as it would be to see every late heresy era Emperor's Children army lose every game automatically because nothing in the army can score as they're too busy chasing the proverbial dragon, some concessions have to be made for the same of having a fair and fun game. I hope Line/however scoring is accessed in 3.0 has been looked at and tweaked from what we saw in 2.0.

[Marshal Rohr]

43 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

 

Line isn't a rule that states whether a unit cares about objectives or following commands though, it's just an arbitrary label attached with frustratingly little consistency by the game designers. An objective in the game could be anything from a dark ritual site to a legion relic to a site of strategic import to a cache of civilians ready to be turned by the Third Legion into hats and/or drugs, and if units like Rampagers (who are literally frothing lobotomised madmen) can be given Line through a rite, there's not really a good reason for why Kakophoni shouldn't via the same mechanism.

 

As entertaining as it would be to see every late heresy era Emperor's Children army lose every game automatically because nothing in the army can score as they're too busy chasing the proverbial dragon, some concessions have to be made for the same of having a fair and fun game. I hope Line/however scoring is accessed in 3.0 has been looked at and tweaked from what we saw in 2.0.

Wasn’t there a mechanism in some campaign where the players picks a handful of squads and only those squads can score. 

[The boater]

Interesting saturnine bit… I hope the eagle isn’t the only chest option. 

 

hand bits look like they’re the praetor fist

[01RTB01]

The cushion is presumably for the gun turret.

[Joe]

That's the Saturnine Terminator torso, 01RTB01.

[Matcap86]

This is pretty great and I feel called out:

Edited yesterday at 11:08 AM by Matcap86

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

2 hours ago, Joe said:

That's the Saturnine Terminator torso, 01RTB01.

 

The big question is: are we again putting a space marine inside a space marine centurion style?

[Pacific81]

36 minutes ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

 

The big question is: are we again putting a space marine inside a space marine centurion style?

Are you trying to get the entire Heresy community to chase after you? 

[Waaagh?]

20 minutes ago, Pacific81 said:

Are you trying to get the entire Heresy community to chase after you? 

Yo dawg, I heard you like space marines? Well...............

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

1 hour ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

 

The big question is: are we again putting a space marine inside a space marine centurion style?

Like...Matryoshka?! Female Space Marines in the Horus Heresy just have been confirmed!

[Marshal Rohr]

2 hours ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

 

The big question is: are we again putting a space marine inside a space marine centurion style?

It’s actually a greviously wounded but not dead legionary interred within the suit with a pseudo-MIU. 

[Marshal Mittens]

I feel like people are over reacting to the strength of massed disentigrators; melta guns are instant death to T4 and below, and pen all armor, and they are not game breaking or taken all the time, and they dont get hot. I don't think Disentigrators will be OP. 

[MARK0SIAN]

18 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

I've heard more rumors on Discord.

 

All in here - you'll have to search for messages from them. To summarise:

- reactions changing from once per unit per _phase_ to once per unit per _turn_

- no terminator command squads*

- I was close with a guess that the vehicle damage table would be changing in _some_ way

- can charge out of non-Assault transports, but the charge is disordered

 

Someone claimed to know a playtester:

 

His exact words and approximate facial expressions were:

"Have you heard the 3rd ed rumours? Well y'know how kakophoni don't get line in third company elite..? [Raises eyebrows] Yeah. They're good now. I'm really mad that I sold all mine before I heard - I had 3x10. Anyway I can't tell you any more but I'd definitely recommend building some"

 

*another rumor is that command squads just get them as an option again. 

As usual take all of that with a bucket of salt. 

That all sounds fairly plausible, the only one I find a bit of a stretch is no terminator command squads, especially if you can still take terminator HQs. 
 

Revisiting the rites to give more stuff line seems like it’s addressing some of the huge inconsistencies with the current rites too. Everything about the rites needs a rebalance to make them more consistent and, in some cases, even worth considering. 

[sarabando]

if termie command squads are gone il be pissed. 

[Unknown Legionnaire]

Maybe they're reverting back to the format from 1.0 where you could buy terminatour armour as wargear for praetors, consuls and so forth, instead of every single one of them having their own unit entry like in 2.0 (which I always found to be a bit hilarious and excessive).

[sarabando]

3 minutes ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

Maybe they're reverting back to the format from 1.0 where you could buy terminatour armour as wargear for praetors, consuls and so forth, instead of every single one of them having their own unit entry like in 2.0 (which I always found to be a bit hilarious and excessive).

which would be fine. 

So much better to have Terminator squad as an entry and then This squad may take X,Y,Z armour as options. (give me back my legion indomni terminators. )

[Ripper.McGuirl]

If terminator command squads are leaving the list, I would imagine it would be because they don’t feel like making models for them.

[Unknown Legionnaire]

What do you mean, there's no models for them ? 

 

There's models for just about everything when you're willing to go creative and figure in all the HH releases since 2012

 

If you listen to Madonna's 'Like a Virgin' on a playback speed of 1.25 it almost sounds like 'My Conversion' ... 

[Ripper.McGuirl]

I mean, 

30 minutes ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

What do you mean, there's no models for them ? 

 

There's models for just about everything when you're willing to go creative and figure in all the HH releases since 2012

 

If you listen to Madonna's 'Like a Virgin' on a playback speed of 1.25 it almost sounds like 'My Conversion' ... 

Yes that’s absolutely true, especially now with so many means to convert and kitbash to our heart’s content. I’m just saying: they’re prone to removing options so they don’t have to support those options with models. I prefer the old days (I realize I am outing myself as having played GW games for 30+ years) where we had all kinds of options in the books and if you wanted a model for some weird specific thing, you had to make it yourself somehow.

[Marshal Rohr]

6 hours ago, Ripper.McGuirl said:

If terminator command squads are leaving the list, I would imagine it would be because they don’t feel like making models for them.

It sounds like Terminator command squads won’t be their own entry, they’ll be an upgrade for chosen command squads again. Which jives with the rumor about command squads being changed. 

[Pacific81]

11 hours ago, Ripper.McGuirl said:

I mean, 

Yes that’s absolutely true, especially now with so many means to convert and kitbash to our heart’s content. I’m just saying: they’re prone to removing options so they don’t have to support those options with models. I prefer the old days (I realize I am outing myself as having played GW games for 30+ years) where we had all kinds of options in the books and if you wanted a model for some weird specific thing, you had to make it yourself somehow.

 

Yes this is it exactly. Or really the purpose of the new release is to prompt people to buy more books & miniatures, so it can only include those which are on sale or about to be released.

This has been the case for a very long time; Rick Priestley saying (15 years ago now?) that the sales team controls the rules & miniature releases. There is no profit to be made from them releasing rules for units which have to be filled by player creativity.

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, Pacific81 said:

 

Yes this is it exactly. Or really the purpose of the new release is to prompt people to buy more books & miniatures, so it can only include those which are on sale or about to be released.

This has been the case for a very long time; Rick Priestley saying (15 years ago now?) that the sales team controls the rules & miniature releases. There is no profit to be made from them releasing rules for units which have to be filled by player creativity.

What a bunch of knobheads. It wouldn't hurt GW in the slightest if they made such rules. Quite the contrary people would be more willung to play the game and inevitable buy stuff for it if they were allowed to play with their army.

Get em nto the hobby  and you'll see they open the wallet. 

[Mandragola]

42 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

What a bunch of knobheads. It wouldn't hurt GW in the slightest if they made such rules. Quite the contrary people would be more willung to play the game and inevitable buy stuff for it if they were allowed to play with their army.

Get em nto the hobby  and you'll see they open the wallet. 

I think you’re probably right. Unfortunately the lawyers and sales people hate the thought of third parties making money from GW’s IP. Anything that generates a market for printers is out of bounds. 
 

This is madness of course. And it goes along with them leaving the door wide open by failing to produce plastic breachers and so many other things for years on end, with the result that people print whole units instead.