Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Marshal Loss]

2 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

Question: where comes that pic?

 

Here (scroll down to Traitor Legions)

[The Yak]

 

 

 

 

Until Jaghatai whooped their arses

[Unknown Legionnaire]

Yaaaaaaaay ... they're directly naming the Ruinous Powers ... another step away from previous Heresy.  

 

 

[Irate Khornate]

13 minutes ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

Yaaaaaaaay ... they're directly naming the Ruinous Powers ... another step away from previous Heresy.  

 

 

Not just that, but they didn't submit to nurgle until on their way to the Siege of Terra. This makes it sound like they fell to nurgle almost immediately. 

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Irate Khornate said:

Not just that, but they didn't submit to nurgle until on their way to the Siege of Terra. This makes it sound like they fell to nurgle almost immediately. 

It's an end result summary basically, y'all gotta calm down. 

[Marshal Rohr]

Are you telling me Mortarion the noxious fume Primarch from the noxious plague planet ultimately turns to the noxious plague God in the last three months of the novel series about the Primarchs falling to Chaos?

Edited May 31 by Marshal Rohr

[Marshal Loss]

That same summary was there verbatim on the Heresy website for Death Guard at the launch of 2.0, so it's not new at all/taking steps away from anything

[CommissarXin]

People will find any small thing to complain about sadly.

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, CommissarXin said:

People will find any small thing to complain about sadly.

Funny that, in another thread (the Space Wolves one I think) someone said that the 30k players aren't that bad about the supposed accuracy of the lore and tabletop presentation LOL

[BitsHammer]

19 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Funny that, in another thread (the Space Wolves one I think) someone said that the 30k players aren't that bad about the supposed accuracy of the lore and tabletop presentation LOL

30k as a quasi-historical game brings out the worst of the rivet counting behaviors at times.

 

I like to think of the Heresy as the setting but the games we play more like exploring other things that could have happened. I mean if we get too wound up about who can do what you'd almost never see a Primarch and no one could play Ferrus outside of Dropsite Massacre games.

[MoriyaSchism]

39 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

30k as a quasi-historical game brings out the worst of the rivet counting behaviors at times.

 

I like to think of the Heresy as the setting but the games we play more like exploring other things that could have happened. I mean if we get too wound up about who can do what you'd almost never see a Primarch and no one could play Ferrus outside of Dropsite Massacre games.

Those damn rivet counters am I right? I can't believe they just hover around Heresy game tables with hammers waiting to smash miniatures of Ferrus Manus and to reprimand you with a stern talking to about how he's supposed to be dead. Face it, rivet counters are just an abstraction you get upset about on twitter and not a real thing that happens in real games of the heresy that get played in person.

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, MoriyaSchism said:

Those damn rivet counters am I right? I can't believe they just hover around Heresy game tables with hammers waiting to smash miniatures of Ferrus Manus and to reprimand you with a stern talking to about how he's supposed to be dead. Face it, rivet counters are just an abstraction you get upset about on twitter and not a real thing that happens in real games of the heresy that get played in person.

We literally have people in this forum upset about a custom Space Wolves army. These people exist both online and in person. 

[MoriyaSchism]

6 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

We literally have people in this forum upset about a custom Space Wolves army. These people exist both online and in person. 

So what? It's just an opinion.

[Matcap86]

56 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

We literally have people in this forum upset about a custom Space Wolves army. These people exist both online and in person. 

 

Yeahhh, but that's 40k for you. ()

[lansalt]

On 5/30/2025 at 10:40 AM, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

how did you get the time?

Knowing that the 566 in 566.006.M31 uses milliannums (1/1000 of a year), I just asked a friendly Abominable Intelligence to do the math for that year.

Fun fact: 3 milliannums equal to a bit more than a current day lenght. But since the Imperium uses it, I like to think that at some point during the DAoT or the Age of Strife, something happened that slowed down Terra to match it exactly. Sounds to me like the kind of crazy mad super science that humans full of hubris would do, just to get to divide a natural Earth day in 3 perfect parts.

[DuskRaider]

10 hours ago, Irate Khornate said:

Not just that, but they didn't submit to nurgle until on their way to the Siege of Terra. This makes it sound like they fell to nurgle almost immediately. 

Technically the Legion began its fall long before being floundered in the Warp. Calas Typhon had been worshipping Nurgle for quite some time and had been recruiting other Legionnaires to the cause. By the time Mortarion had bent the knee to Nurgle, the corruption within the Legion itself was rampant and he himself had unwittingly fell years before… think summoning Grulgor and unleashing him on Molech, as well as dabbling with Daemonology for some time. 

[crimsondave]

I think taking lore seriously is a good thing for IPs but GW has never taken 40K lore seriously since 1987.  Abrupt retcons and flat out wrong statements in rule books and novels is nothing new.  It’s the standard.

 

Deciding that the new edition is gonna suck before it’s out seems self defeating.  I hate 10th edition 40K, but that doesn’t mean 11th edition won’t be better.

[Marshal Rohr]

43 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

I think taking lore seriously is a good thing for IPs but GW has never taken 40K lore seriously since 1987.  Abrupt retcons and flat out wrong statements in rule books and novels is nothing new.  It’s the standard.

 

Deciding that the new edition is gonna suck before it’s out seems self defeating.  I hate 10th edition 40K, but that doesn’t mean 11th edition won’t be better.

The Black Books took themselves seriously. Imperial Armor took itself seriously. Those are the standard, not GW codexes. 

[Brother Kraskor]

It's getting a bit tasty in here fraters, might it be worth keeping our sense of proportion and remembering we're talking about fictional backstories for toy soldiers? 

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Have we speak about the Saturnine Dread's chest weapon options? What type of weapon is?

Edited May 31 by Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf

[BitsHammer]

More stuff found in the rules preview, taken from the 30k subreddit.

[MoriyaSchism]

51 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

Have we speak about the Saturnine Dread's chest weapon options? What type of weapon is?

 

That weapon has some type of pressure tank attached to it. They called it a Photonic Incinerator during the stream. I assume it's going to be a weapon that uses a flamer template. There was another weapon option for that slot with a rectangular muzzle, but they didn't mention it by name.

 

[CommissarXin]

3.0 has seemingly brought the HH community where i am together so im hoping the excitement continues through and after the launch.

[Sigismund's Ghost]

I’m hoping they rebalance things that were problematic, like vehicle resilience and psychic powers. I really don’t want to see a major rule rewriting. 

[Iron Father Ferrum]

On 5/30/2025 at 5:57 AM, Antarius said:

To you, it was the day of the Dropsite Massacre, the shattering of your legion, the death of your primarch. But for me it was wednesday.

 

You wound me, sir, but I admit it's a great adaptation of a quote.