Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[01RTB01]

11 minutes ago, TheTrans said:

So, someone hurled this pic up over on the reddit page, tis the necromunda vehicles... and..well... its doing a bit of a concern when you look at it haha..

Yes yes, we don't know rah rah rah.. but.. I can see HP which... is a bit concerning and we don't know until it drops etc and god do I hope we don't see a removal of the vehicle damage chart..... but.. yeah. 

 

 

Totally different game, not sure there's a need for panic. I'm not sure what point you're making in honesty.

 

You can be excited for new heresy or panic for what might be. I'd rather air on the side of optimism.

[TheTrans]

1 minute ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

 

Totally different game, not sure there's a need for panic. I'm not sure what point you're making in honesty.

 

You can be excited for new heresy or panic for what might be. I'd rather air on the side of optimism.

Well see you say totally different game, and if we were talking 2.0 I'd 100% agree, but like if you look at weapon profiles, statlines etc.. its looking a lot more necromunda-ish every update! 

[BitsHammer]

26 minutes ago, TheTrans said:

So, someone hurled this pic up over on the reddit page, tis the necromunda vehicles... and..well... its doing a bit of a concern when you look at it haha..

Yes yes, we don't know rah rah rah.. but.. I can see HP which... is a bit concerning and we don't know until it drops etc and god do I hope we don't see a removal of the vehicle damage chart..... but.. yeah. 

I saw that thread and it's them guessing how 30k vehicles might work, not an actual leak or information.

13 minutes ago, TheTrans said:

Well see you say totally different game, and if we were talking 2.0 I'd 100% agree, but like if you look at weapon profiles, statlines etc.. its looking a lot more necromunda-ish every update! 

Andy does love his 'Munda but they aren't blindly taking stuff and slapping it onto 30k. If the devs brought stuff over it's because they think it's good for the game.

 

Time will tell how it all works out but at least they are trying to keep it interesting unlike 40k.

[Mogger351]

38 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

Time will tell how it all works out but at least they are trying to keep it interesting unlike 40k.

Which is ironic because there's a lot of modern 40k in these previews.

[Gorgoff]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

 

Totally different game, not sure there's a need for panic. I'm not sure what point you're making in honesty.

 

You can be excited for new heresy or panic for what might be. I'd rather air on the side of optimism.

 

 

It's a pretty good point actually.

And I've played Necromunda and can say that it is odd but in the end it is still better than 40ks version of it and vehicles still have vision arcs for their guns and all that. 

We obviously still have to wait and see though. 

I could live with that change at least. 

[Brother Kraskor]

Think my biggest hope for 3rd actually might be this hint of a move away from 'no models no rules' with those little boxes about how to convert. Surely someone in GW hasn't realised that actually people end up buying more of their stuff to get hold of specific bitz? 

[TheTrans]

32 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

 

 

It's a pretty good point actually.

And I've played Necromunda and can say that it is odd but in the end it is still better than 40ks version of it and vehicles still have vision arcs for their guns and all that. 

We obviously still have to wait and see though. 

I could live with that change at least. 

 

We're already getting 'well it's probably worse..  but hey it's better than the dumpster fire that is40k' already...dire times indeed gang.. 

[Gorgoff]

32 minutes ago, TheTrans said:

 

We're already getting 'well it's probably worse..  but hey it's better than the dumpster fire that is40k' already...dire times indeed gang.. 

I have not given up hope yet. 

Sweet baby Jesus, please let us have our beloved armor values at vehicles. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

4 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

 

Totally different game, not sure there's a need for panic. I'm not sure what point you're making in honesty.

 

You can be excited for new heresy or panic for what might be. I'd rather air on the side of optimism.

Necromunda rules for vehicles confirmed in 30K. All vehicles need to be hand-cranked in Turn 1 or they won´t be able to move and shoot leaving a single crew man WIDE OPEN for enemy fire. To crank up the vehicle in a  proper fashion an INT check needs to be made. And when this action takes longer because of previously failed checks then the crew man (aka Cranker) needs to make appropriate CL checks when he comes under fire. A failed CL result means he takes cover under the vehicle and a new crew man needs to become the Cranker. A string of failed checks (both INT & CL) will result in the entire crew hiding under the vehicle instead of operating it. 

[Joe]

1 hour ago, Brother Kraskor said:

Think my biggest hope for 3rd actually might be this hint of a move away from 'no models no rules' with those little boxes about how to convert. Surely someone in GW hasn't realised that actually people end up buying more of their stuff to get hold of specific bitz? 

 

To be fair, the writing was on the wall in 2017 when Necromunda released. Or in 2024 when Old World released and the first time that blurb appeared. There's still a good few models in the former that from the early books that still don't have models. 

 

I'd say in general, adding new units that don't have models, but are otherwise perfectly achievable using existing kits, is what the intent of that blurb is for.

[Matcap86]

2 hours ago, Brother Kraskor said:

Think my biggest hope for 3rd actually might be this hint of a move away from 'no models no rules' with those little boxes about how to convert. Surely someone in GW hasn't realised that actually people end up buying more of their stuff to get hold of specific bitz? 

 

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but isn't that explicitly what was shown in one of the teasers of the expansion book? Where they give pointers on how to convert the non existent models for a unit in there? Let alone all the units that were released in the examplary battle pdfs now that I think about it.

[Marshal Rohr]

Necromunda is built off 8th edition, this was directly from Andy in a Twitch interview, so whatever changes to vehicles occur for 3.0 are going to be making it more like Rogue Trader or 2nd Edition 90’s Version than 8th Edition. 

[BitsHammer]

4 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Which is ironic because there's a lot of modern 40k in these previews.

Not as much as the knee jerk reactions are claiming. Weapons having damage numbers and heavy weapons having a worse baseline that buffs are similar but we aren't adopting the AP system from 40k, and we leaned into the mental stats way more than modern 40k does. Instant death seems to be gone but Eternal Warrior stayed.

 

Hull points are staying, low wound counts are staying, we have no indication vehicles are losing AVs, challenges are staying...

 

Like I just don't see this as a massive shift to being 40k. Adopting a couple things from 40k that lets them streamline weapons by reducing USRs to remember is hardly turning the game into 40k.

[Marshal Rohr]

1 minute ago, BitsHammer said:

Not as much as the knee jerk reactions are claiming. Weapons having damage numbers and heavy weapons having a worse baseline that buffs are similar but we aren't adopting the AP system from 40k, and we leaned into the mental stats way more than modern 40k does. Instant death seems to be gone but Eternal Warrior stayed.

 

Hull points are staying, low wound counts are staying, we have no indication vehicles are losing AVs, challenges are staying...

 

Like I just don't see this as a massive shift to being 40k. Adopting a couple things from 40k that lets them streamline weapons by reducing USRs to remember is hardly turning the game into 40k.

I think you’re being disingenuous, there’s lots of modern 40K in the new edition presented in highly curated Marketing material. For example, this edition uses dice! Just like 40K. Also, it has models, which modern 40K does. There’s Space Marines and the weapons article confirmed there are Dreadnaughts and vehicles, both of which are in modern 40K. 

[BitsHammer]

22 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I think you’re being disingenuous, there’s lots of modern 40K in the new edition presented in highly curated Marketing material. For example, this edition uses dice! Just like 40K. Also, it has models, which modern 40K does. There’s Space Marines and the weapons article confirmed there are Dreadnaughts and vehicles, both of which are in modern 40K. 

You're right. Clearly 30k needs to become less like 40k by replacing the minis with Pogs. We can replace the dice with slammers and then spend too much money on cardboard with colorful pictures.

 

Obviously being sarcastic. The issue isn't 30k adopting 40k ideas as some keep presenting but which ideas and how they're implemented and so far I haven't see the stuff from 40k that has me bored with that game.

[MoriyaSchism]

I'm starting to believe that the boxed set leak was staged. If it was a real leak we would have seen images of the reference sheets and the introductory game guide at the very least. Who gets a box like that and they don't peek inside? Personally I don't like this prolonged drip feed of information and it taking too long makes me suspicious that someone is trying to pull a fast one on me. 

 

[Matcap86]

3 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I'm starting to believe that the boxed set leak was staged. If it was a real leak we would have seen images of the reference sheets and the introductory game guide at the very least. Who gets a box like that and they don't peek inside? Personally I don't like this prolonged drip feed of information and it taking too long makes me suspicious that someone is trying to pull a fast one on me. 

 

 

Someone who DGAF about warhammer and just wanted to score some money online.

Plenty of sneaker thieves who're selling stuff online that couldn't tell you what the thread count on the laces is. 

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Necromunda is built off 8th edition, this was directly from Andy in a Twitch interview, so whatever changes to vehicles occur for 3.0 are going to be making it more like Rogue Trader or 2nd Edition 90’s Version than 8th Edition. 

Wouldn't it be a banger if they brought back these gems:

 

[Matcap86]

1 minute ago, Gorgoff said:

Wouldn't it be a banger if they brought back these gems:

 

 

Some people who are already complaining about book keeping's heads would explode. 

[MoriyaSchism]

Just now, Matcap86 said:

 

Someone who DGAF about warhammer and just wanted to score some money online.

Plenty of sneaker thieves who're selling stuff online that couldn't tell you what the thread count on the laces is. 

Yeah, that might be the case too. At this point I might just tune out and read up on all the rules details shortly before release and make a decision then. Just tired of filler articles like "WHO IS MALCADOR? WHO IS HE REALLY?" 

[BitsHammer]

15 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I'm starting to believe that the boxed set leak was staged. If it was a real leak we would have seen images of the reference sheets and the introductory game guide at the very least. Who gets a box like that and they don't peek inside? Personally I don't like this prolonged drip feed of information and it taking too long makes me suspicious that someone is trying to pull a fast one on me. 

 

They were scalping the box, not playing with it.

[Marshal Rohr]

11 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

Wouldn't it be a banger if they brought back these gems:

 

I would bet money (not a lot but some) this comes back in some form. 

[Marshal Rohr]

40 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

They were scalping the box, not playing with it.

I don’t think they were scalping it, they’re straight up selling stolen goods 

[Brother Kraskor]

2 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but isn't that explicitly what was shown in one of the teasers of the expansion book? Where they give pointers on how to convert the non existent models for a unit in there? Let alone all the units that were released in the examplary battle pdfs now that I think about it.

Yes that's exactly what I'm going on about frater! The little text boxes talking about how to convert, forgive me if that wasn't clear before. 

[BitsHammer]

52 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I don’t think they were scalping it, they’re straight up selling stolen goods 

Fair point. Thing is that GW's marketing is controlled and only through their official platforms likely so the management can see hard data on clicks and views.

 

GW just doesn't have the company culture to do something like leak their own stuff via Facebook marketplace.