Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[BitsHammer]

8 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

A lot of people are arguing that melta traditionally one-shot dreads for a long time and this is correct. However in my view, one of the best things that 2.0 did was make dreads actually tough and survivable precisely because they couldn't be insta-killed of have their weapons destroyed etc. Now don't get me wrong, 2.0 had plenty of issues with dreads being a pain but I largely think they got their rules right, they were just way too cheap and shouldn't have been able to be taken in Talons.

 

Dreadnoughts should be these terrifying monsters on the battlefield, provided they're costed properly. I don't want a return to Dreads being easily killed or feeling feeble.

I think we should wait to see the rules for dreads before making judgements about them. For all we know they'll have Eternal Warrior, the ability to throw Primarchs and eats nails for breakfast.

 

Or they could be softer than Silly Putty.

 

It's easy to take a marketing blurb about Meltas doing 6 damage as proof Dreads are DOA, but all I really take out of it is Deredeos will have 6 wounds.

 

Any maybe melta will become a major threat for Dreads, but with its short range and often squishy platform it means there is counterplay to melta we don't have with lascannons since it's effective range is shorter than even the bolter's.

 

And there is a possibility that it could be more expensive in points as well, especially on platforms like Jetbikes or Landspeedees who have a much higher mobility.

 

It's easy to make assumptions that the game will be bad because of a, b, or c when we don't know about the rest of the alphabet. 

[Gorgoff]

Funny enough I just realised that two contemptors with multimelters could easily kill each other due to reactions if those stay the same. 

Double Kill, Kill, Kill

[Mogger351]

40 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

Funny enough I just realised that two contemptors with multimelters could easily kill each other due to reactions if those stay the same. 

Double Kill, Kill, Kill

There's that 40k lethality arms race

[Gorgoff]

32 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

There's that 40k lethality arms race

Quite fitting:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xnsljfca/sunday-preview-tyranid-raveners-burrow-into-kill-team/

 

[Cyrox]

Interesting to see the new Rapiers and Tarantulas on pre-order before Saturnine, hopefully means 3.0 not far out now.

[Lord Marshal]

8 minutes ago, Cyrox said:

Interesting to see the new Rapiers and Tarantulas on pre-order before Saturnine, hopefully means 3.0 not far out now.

 

Iirc according to that one reliable TGA post, it'll be Cathay the week after, then another thing, then Saturnine - so a July 5th pre-order if they're right...?

 

(FWIW they were correct about Chaos Knights for this week as well).

Edited Sunday at 05:33 PM by Lord Marshal

[ZeroWolf]

6 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Iirc according to that one reliable TGA post, it'll be Cathay the week after, then another thing, then Saturnine - so a July 5th pre-order if they're right...?

 

(FWIW they were correct about Chaos Knights for this week as well).

Wasn't it supposed to be Ideoneth before cathway? It doesn't alter when the 3.0 preorder drops (though late for a GW launch box)

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

Wasn't it supposed to be Ideoneth before cathway? It doesn't alter when the 3.0 preorder drops (though late for a GW launch box)

 

You may very well be correct. This is why I shouldn't trust my memory and just go find the source.

[ZeroWolf]

8 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

You may very well be correct. This is why I shouldn't trust my memory and just go find the source.

To be fair, your memory still may be correct given they're having a cathay design team roundtable on WarCom this week, a good indicator of an imminent release.

[Gorgoff]

 

Pinch of salt, rada rada 

[01RTB01]

23 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

 

Pinch of salt, rada rada 

Are these in USD please?

[SkimaskMohawk]

Resin rapiers were about $62 each, so doubling the amount you get for $8 more is a pretty solid savings. Hopefully no faction should need the maximum amount allowable by their foc to participate in the game any more lol.

[Marshal Loss]

Will definitely have to pick up some graviton rapiers in honour of this forum's greatest 30k tactician, the legendary Hesh Kadesh. Long-time B&C 30k fans will remember his relentless promotion of these mighty weapons. Hope he's doing well these days.

 

[ZeroWolf]

31 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Are these in USD please?

I believe they are, data cards are £19. If I knew how to work out the US tax that GW adds on, we could use that to reverse engineer the typhon price 

[Gorgoff]

12 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

Will definitely have to pick up some graviton rapiers in honour of this forum's greatest 30k tactician, the legendary Hesh Kadesh. Long-time B&C 30k fans will remember his relentless promotion of these mighty weapons. Hope he's doing well these days.

 

Never forgotten! I guess @Hesh Kadesh played a big part in my decision to buy some grav cannons. 

Edited Sunday at 09:01 PM by Gorgoff

[01RTB01]

18 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

I believe they are, data cards are £19. If I knew how to work out the US tax that GW adds on, we could use that to reverse engineer the typhon price 

In that case, find something that's $170US on the site, it'll then be the equivalent price. So if a knight lancer was 170US then it'll be whatever you pay for a knight lancer in your own currency.

[Mogger351]

£37 for the tarantulas 

£44 for the rapiers

£100 for kill team box

Edited Sunday at 09:11 PM by Mogger351

[01RTB01]

$85CAD for the rapiers - tormentors are the same price.

[Misterduch]

60 USD would be about 50 euro with GW conversions, which seems rather :cuss:ing excessive for 2 tarantulas.......

 

 

Edited Sunday at 09:21 PM by Misterduch

[Nephaston]

35 minutes ago, Misterduch said:

60 USD would be about 50 euro with GW conversions, which seems rather :cuss:ing excessive for 2 tarantulas.......

Probably still cheaper than the old offering of one resin tarantula, which the only price I could find so far was £29 back in 2012.

Edit: According to miniset; one HB tarantula was £21 in 2021, one lascannon tarantula was $41 in 2024, so it probably still shakes out to cheaper than previos iterations.

Edited Sunday at 10:00 PM by Nephaston

[derLumpi]

45 minutes ago, Misterduch said:

60 USD would be about 50 euro with GW conversions, which seems rather :cuss:ing excessive for 2 tarantulas.......

 

 

Just look for 44£ and 37£ at GW website. Those kits are 55€ and 44€.

[Grand Master Laertes]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Are these in USD please?

The products are listed in both English and French versions, so I'd say Canadian Dollars

[Gorgoff]

3 hours ago, Grand Master Laertes said:

The products are listed in both English and French versions, so I'd say Canadian Dollars

Uh that would be even better. 

[Captain Idaho]

18 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

Why would they change that? You probably rhink about 40k where twin linked means more shots, yes? 

 

It used to be 2 hits for the price of one die roll. Twin linked has changed plenty in its concept in 30K/40K and the way Heavy changed so dramatically it'll be interesting if they changed twin linked too.

Edited Monday at 06:42 AM by Captain Idaho

[Gorgoff]

3 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

It used to be 2 hits for the price of one die roll. 

Back in the days of great adventure, yes. 

Speaking purely statistically it is usually better to have a reroll especially the more shots you have. But we will see.