BitsHammer Posted Sunday at 02:35 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:35 PM 8 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said: A lot of people are arguing that melta traditionally one-shot dreads for a long time and this is correct. However in my view, one of the best things that 2.0 did was make dreads actually tough and survivable precisely because they couldn't be insta-killed of have their weapons destroyed etc. Now don't get me wrong, 2.0 had plenty of issues with dreads being a pain but I largely think they got their rules right, they were just way too cheap and shouldn't have been able to be taken in Talons. Dreadnoughts should be these terrifying monsters on the battlefield, provided they're costed properly. I don't want a return to Dreads being easily killed or feeling feeble. I think we should wait to see the rules for dreads before making judgements about them. For all we know they'll have Eternal Warrior, the ability to throw Primarchs and eats nails for breakfast. Or they could be softer than Silly Putty. It's easy to take a marketing blurb about Meltas doing 6 damage as proof Dreads are DOA, but all I really take out of it is Deredeos will have 6 wounds. Any maybe melta will become a major threat for Dreads, but with its short range and often squishy platform it means there is counterplay to melta we don't have with lascannons since it's effective range is shorter than even the bolter's. And there is a possibility that it could be more expensive in points as well, especially on platforms like Jetbikes or Landspeedees who have a much higher mobility. It's easy to make assumptions that the game will be bad because of a, b, or c when we don't know about the rest of the alphabet. LSM and Shard of Magnus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted Sunday at 03:58 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:58 PM Funny enough I just realised that two contemptors with multimelters could easily kill each other due to reactions if those stay the same. Double Kill, Kill, Kill TheArtilleryman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted Sunday at 04:39 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:39 PM 40 minutes ago, Gorgoff said: Funny enough I just realised that two contemptors with multimelters could easily kill each other due to reactions if those stay the same. Double Kill, Kill, Kill There's that 40k lethality arms race Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM 32 minutes ago, Mogger351 said: There's that 40k lethality arms race Quite fitting: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xnsljfca/sunday-preview-tyranid-raveners-burrow-into-kill-team/ Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted Sunday at 05:24 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:24 PM Interesting to see the new Rapiers and Tarantulas on pre-order before Saturnine, hopefully means 3.0 not far out now. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted Sunday at 05:31 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:31 PM (edited) 8 minutes ago, Cyrox said: Interesting to see the new Rapiers and Tarantulas on pre-order before Saturnine, hopefully means 3.0 not far out now. Iirc according to that one reliable TGA post, it'll be Cathay the week after, then another thing, then Saturnine - so a July 5th pre-order if they're right...? (FWIW they were correct about Chaos Knights for this week as well). Edited Sunday at 05:33 PM by Lord Marshal Cyrox 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted Sunday at 05:39 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:39 PM 6 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said: Iirc according to that one reliable TGA post, it'll be Cathay the week after, then another thing, then Saturnine - so a July 5th pre-order if they're right...? (FWIW they were correct about Chaos Knights for this week as well). Wasn't it supposed to be Ideoneth before cathway? It doesn't alter when the 3.0 preorder drops (though late for a GW launch box) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted Sunday at 06:43 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:43 PM 1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said: Wasn't it supposed to be Ideoneth before cathway? It doesn't alter when the 3.0 preorder drops (though late for a GW launch box) You may very well be correct. This is why I shouldn't trust my memory and just go find the source. ZeroWolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted Sunday at 06:52 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:52 PM 8 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said: You may very well be correct. This is why I shouldn't trust my memory and just go find the source. To be fair, your memory still may be correct given they're having a cathay design team roundtable on WarCom this week, a good indicator of an imminent release. Lord Marshal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted Sunday at 07:52 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:52 PM Pinch of salt, rada rada 01RTB01, Lord Marshal and roryokane 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted Sunday at 08:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:15 PM 23 minutes ago, Gorgoff said: Pinch of salt, rada rada Are these in USD please? Wibbling, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf and ZeroWolf 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted Sunday at 08:29 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:29 PM Resin rapiers were about $62 each, so doubling the amount you get for $8 more is a pretty solid savings. Hopefully no faction should need the maximum amount allowable by their foc to participate in the game any more lol. Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted Sunday at 08:48 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 08:48 PM Will definitely have to pick up some graviton rapiers in honour of this forum's greatest 30k tactician, the legendary Hesh Kadesh. Long-time B&C 30k fans will remember his relentless promotion of these mighty weapons. Hope he's doing well these days. Gorgoff, Brother Sutek and Petitioner's City 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted Sunday at 08:48 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:48 PM 31 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said: Are these in USD please? I believe they are, data cards are £19. If I knew how to work out the US tax that GW adds on, we could use that to reverse engineer the typhon price 01RTB01 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted Sunday at 09:01 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:01 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said: Will definitely have to pick up some graviton rapiers in honour of this forum's greatest 30k tactician, the legendary Hesh Kadesh. Long-time B&C 30k fans will remember his relentless promotion of these mighty weapons. Hope he's doing well these days. Never forgotten! I guess @Hesh Kadesh played a big part in my decision to buy some grav cannons. Edited Sunday at 09:01 PM by Gorgoff Marshal Loss and Petitioner's City 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted Sunday at 09:08 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:08 PM 18 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said: I believe they are, data cards are £19. If I knew how to work out the US tax that GW adds on, we could use that to reverse engineer the typhon price In that case, find something that's $170US on the site, it'll then be the equivalent price. So if a knight lancer was 170US then it'll be whatever you pay for a knight lancer in your own currency. ZeroWolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted Sunday at 09:10 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:10 PM (edited) £37 for the tarantulas £44 for the rapiers £100 for kill team box Edited Sunday at 09:11 PM by Mogger351 Lord Marshal, Cyrox and ZeroWolf 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted Sunday at 09:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:15 PM $85CAD for the rapiers - tormentors are the same price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterduch Posted Sunday at 09:20 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:20 PM (edited) 60 USD would be about 50 euro with GW conversions, which seems rather :cuss:ing excessive for 2 tarantulas....... Edited Sunday at 09:21 PM by Misterduch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted Sunday at 09:53 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:53 PM (edited) 35 minutes ago, Misterduch said: 60 USD would be about 50 euro with GW conversions, which seems rather :cuss:ing excessive for 2 tarantulas....... Probably still cheaper than the old offering of one resin tarantula, which the only price I could find so far was £29 back in 2012. Edit: According to miniset; one HB tarantula was £21 in 2021, one lascannon tarantula was $41 in 2024, so it probably still shakes out to cheaper than previos iterations. Edited Sunday at 10:00 PM by Nephaston Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted Sunday at 10:07 PM Share Posted Sunday at 10:07 PM 45 minutes ago, Misterduch said: 60 USD would be about 50 euro with GW conversions, which seems rather :cuss:ing excessive for 2 tarantulas....... Just look for 44£ and 37£ at GW website. Those kits are 55€ and 44€. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Laertes Posted Sunday at 11:00 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:00 PM 2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said: Are these in USD please? The products are listed in both English and French versions, so I'd say Canadian Dollars Matcap86 and roryokane 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted yesterday at 02:23 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:23 AM 3 hours ago, Grand Master Laertes said: The products are listed in both English and French versions, so I'd say Canadian Dollars Uh that would be even better. roryokane, ZeroWolf and 01RTB01 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted yesterday at 06:41 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:41 AM (edited) 18 hours ago, Gorgoff said: Why would they change that? You probably rhink about 40k where twin linked means more shots, yes? It used to be 2 hits for the price of one die roll. Twin linked has changed plenty in its concept in 30K/40K and the way Heavy changed so dramatically it'll be interesting if they changed twin linked too. Edited yesterday at 06:42 AM by Captain Idaho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6114982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted yesterday at 09:56 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:56 AM 3 hours ago, Captain Idaho said: It used to be 2 hits for the price of one die roll. Back in the days of great adventure, yes. Speaking purely statistically it is usually better to have a reroll especially the more shots you have. But we will see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/69/#findComment-6115000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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